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Windows XP Booting on Intel Macs?

IJ Reilly said:
Hardly. In this thread and the other running on this topic, others have expressed similar doubts. Just so we're clear on what I'm talking about, I've cropped and enlarged the portion of the image I think strongly suggests a hoax. Look at the right side of the iMac, and match that line with the right edge of the blue screen. Now tell me how any photographic accident could produce such different angles. It's not a matter of blurriness. In fact, the edge of the screen image is surprisingly sharp compared to the fuzziness of the rest of the photo -- which btw I take as even more evidence that this photo is a crude fraud.
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I'm willing to take a bet, if the images prove to be PHOTOSHOPPED I'll give $100 to charity, if not you do the same. You sound so confident so take it up? :)

We probably may never even find out, who knows.....

What you're suggesting to me sounds beyond comprehension. The fact that some guy first takes pictures of a monitor running the XP setup and then takes pictutres of his Imac at more or less the same angle and then goes into photoshop and fixes them altogether.

And despite this, to my eye these images do not looked photoshopped at all. There's 6 images and not one of them shouts 'photoshop' at me.

Also, if you were gonna photoshop these pics in the way you suggest, would you have a curtain or some **** hanging across one side of the screen? I dunno about you, but I wouldn't.

The guy could be having everyone on, that I have no idea of, this is merely about the images being photoshop comps or not.
 
usarioclave said:
Everyone here who doubts that this is real will be singing a different tune after next week. And the guy who got it to work will be $12k richer, and laughing all the way to the bank.

Like every other board, it's filled with nabobs who are all talk. In the technical world everything is possible if you have enough time and talent.
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We'll be waiting, danny boy, no problem...and no, not everything is possible in the "technical world"...only nerd (cr)hackers believe that.
 
mark88 said:
I'm willing to take a bet, if the images prove to be PHOTOSHOPPED I'll give $100 to charity, if not you do the same. You sound so confident so take it up? :)

We probably may never even find out, who knows.....

What you're suggesting to me sounds beyond comprehension. The fact that some guy first takes pictures of a monitor running the XP setup and then takes pictutres of his Imac at more or less the same angle and then goes into photoshop and fixes them altogether.

And despite this, to my eye these images do not looked photoshopped at all. There's 6 images and not one of them shouts 'photoshop' at me.

Also, if you were gonna photoshop these pics in the way you suggest, would you have a curtain or some **** hanging across one side of the screen? I dunno about you, but I wouldn't.

The guy could be having everyone on, that I have no idea of, this is merely about the images being photoshop comps or not.
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No way could either one of us prove definitively one way or another if the images were Photoshopped... but I will make this promise: If this person claims the Windows on Mactel prize, I will personally eat crow right here on MacRumors.

BTW, Photoshop allows image layers to be freely distorted, and be combined into a seamless result -- IF you know what you're doing.
 
BRLawyer said:
We'll be waiting, danny boy, no problem...and no, not everything is possible in the "technical world"...only nerd (cr)hackers believe that.
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I don't doubt that it can be done -- but not by anyone, and methinks not by the person who posted these photos.
 
BRLawyer said:
Sorry, but you really don't get my point. If you really need to run Winblows, you WILL buy a PC, period.
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Then you said...

Again, my opinion is that this will be nice ONLY to those that are ALREADY willing/drooling to buy a Mac. No one thinking about PCs will end up buying Macs because they "may" boot Winblows
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So which one is it? People pay premiums for Sony Vaio all-in-ones all the time, and I'll be the first to state that they are ugly. I know a lot of my friends who are just regular folks really love the hardware design (especially the maglock on the laptops) but they need Windows for certain things, like Visual Studio, etc, etc. If the apple guy could say, "For $150 you can boot XP on this iMac too," what in the heck is wrong with that?

And the examples you gave are, to be honest, very irrelevant in my view, as I've never heard of "Revit"...Architectural CAD has always been better on Macs, and I know several offices that just rely on Apples for their work. As for AutoCAD, they are already considering a version for Mac, not to mention the gamut of CAD/rendering packages that exist on the Mac for ages.
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The Mac was a nice platform until it looked like Apple would tank in the 90s. I've used: Softplan, VertexBD, ArchiCAD versions 7 through 9, AutoCAD, Form Z, VectorWorks, Architectural Desktop, 3dsmax, BOA (now discontinued), ChiefArchitect, and many, many more. I can tell you, and anyone else who has used BIM (building information modeling) can tell you, that everything out there that isn't Revit is simply a toy or a poor excuse for "virtual paperspace." It would be like me telling you that a console text editor was just as usable as FrontPage (or heaven forbid, Microsoft Word).

The gaming industry on PCs is drowning, and you know that. The bulk of sales goes to consoles, and even big houses are already releasing their titles on XBoxes and PSs only, so this is a moot point.
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Except for the biggest and most profitable games out right now - MMORPGs like WoW (already ported) and FPS games that hardcore gamers (like the ones who give about $220 million to Alienware every year) won't use on a console.

Again, my opinion is that this will be nice ONLY to those that are ALREADY willing/drooling to buy a Mac. No one thinking about PCs will end up buying Macs because they "may" boot Winblows...besides, Apple will NOT (and SHOULD NOT) support Windows. So apart from hardcore gamers and geeks, the normal consumer will not care about dual-boot capability; this's a fact.
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You seem to be unable to grasp the concept that there are windows applications which won't be ported to OS X within the next two years, and that people want to use those programs with 100% speed and compatibility.

Think about the changes Mac has had in just the past five years: OS 9 to OS X - rewrite your software! From PowerPC to Intel - rewrite your software again! You're not going to get serious development from the mainstream until you stick with a platform that doesn't break previous applications. An exe that runs on Windows 95 - (that's 11 years ago!) - will STILL run on Windows XP without a problem, at full speed, with no emulation software necessary.

Remember, no one ever got fired for using Microsoft, and they've got 90% of the market because of that idea. If you're going to seriously challange their marketshare, you have to have a better attitude than telling anyone who uses Windows apps to go climb a tree. Then again, maybe you and Steve have more in common that I thought...
 
looks pretty real to me

Agree with earlier poster if you're gonna fake pics they'd be a lot clearer than than that, so I knocked up a quick demo pic (see attachment) of what I mean, took five minutes and it is a genuine FAKE lol (made purely for fun and to prove how easy it is to fake these things)
 

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deanklear said:
You seem to be unable to grasp the concept that there are windows applications which won't be ported to OS X within the next two years, and that people want to use those programs with 100% speed and compatibility.
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In my case those applications are MS Visio and MS Project. I don't particularly like either of them, but they are necessary in my job and quite painful to run in VPC. (and no, I'm not going to buy and carry around a Windows laptop as well as my Mac!)
 
mark88 said:
Right, and the millions of PC users who build their machines themselves, Windows XP came pre installed on the hard drives they bought right? :-/
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Nope. Those users most likely pirated their version of Windows... :)
 
geiger167 said:
Agree with earlier poster if you're gonna fake pics they'd be a lot clearer than than that, so I knocked up a quick demo pic (see attachment) of what I mean, took five minutes and it is a genuine FAKE lol (made purely for fun and to prove how easy it is to fake these things)
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If his picture IS in fact a fake, it's like a billion times better than the one you did. This is neither insulting your skills (because i know you just took a few seconds to do this to make a point), nor am I saying that it cant be done given more time and effort. I'm just saying that usually when something has been Photoshopped there are errors that people tend to pick up on that are a little more glaring than anything proposed so far. I think these are some of the best work in a while if they ARE in fact fake. But my 2 cents... i hope they're not.
 
pyrophite said:
If his picture IS in fact a fake, it's like a billion times better than the one you did. This is neither insulting your skills (because i know you just took a few seconds to do this to make a point), nor am I saying that it cant be done given more time and effort. I'm just saying that usually when something has been Photoshopped there are errors that people tend to pick up on that are a little more glaring than anything proposed so far. I think these are some of the best work in a while if they ARE in fact fake. But my 2 cents... i hope they're not.
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It really doesn't matter if it's a fake or not. Keep in mind this is a contest with a cash prize, and the method to get Windows booted is supposed to be published for all to see afterwards. There is no reason for someone to fake pictures of Windows booting on an Intel iMac (except to get a bunch of people fighting in a Mac rumors forum :rolleyes: ) because faking pictures doesn't get the prize. Getting Windows to run does. So at some point here, the person or persons responsible will have to deliver the goods. Then we'll all see if this is for real or not, lousy photos notwithstanding.

Really everyone, let's just wait on the calling fake photos. We'll know soon enough.
 
Guys, why does no one seem to realize that these may not be "photoshopped" but might just be pictures displayed in full screen mode? I'm just sick of all these "OMG he's got 1337 pho7osh0pping skilzorz!@!!one!"

Edit: Hey, I just made thses images to show you...



 
tonybeak said:
I have a feeling the site owners ran off with the money... :eek:
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He's having nasty issues with his hosting company.

One interesting tidbit [ed: link is now dead] from the temporary forum:
We have yet to recieve any official submissions.
Please keep working on finding a solution.
The contest is not over!
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So apparently this narf character's stuff is still vaporware.
 
AndrewMT said:
All the software I need is on OSX, but most of the games I want to play are Windowz-only.
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So, the games are not software? :)

deanklear said:
Remember, no one ever got fired for using Microsoft, and they've got 90% of the market because of that idea.
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Remember, no one ever got fired for buying IBM either; look at where they are now...
 
Att: geiger167

I know that you were just making a point, but if you were to cheat any one, you might wanna lose the nVidia icon.. :)
 
JFreak said:
Remember, no one ever got fired for buying IBM either; look at where they are now...
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IBM are still far more ingrained in IT than the popular press would have us believe, still at the 20th spot on the Global 500. Dell are down at 84, Microsoft at 127. Desktop PCs get all the attention, but...
 
kiwi-in-uk said:
In my case those applications are MS Visio and MS Project. I don't particularly like either of them, but they are necessary in my job and quite painful to run in VPC. (and no, I'm not going to buy and carry around a Windows laptop as well as my Mac!)
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Use Merlin and be happy...it's much nicer and intuitive than Project, and exports files as .MPX.

As for the previous poster, it's obvious that some programs will never be ported; but it's also obvious that dual-boot is interesting ONLY for those already seriously considering a Mac...otherwise it's a moot point.

Besides, dual-boot CANNOT be supported by Apple, as this will bring a lot of hassle to the company, so NO, there will be NO Apple Stores or CompUSAs recommending this to any pedestrians; you guys seem to forget that fact.

Consequently, wannabe PC buyers will keep buying PCs...and some enterprising/desperate Mac users will read ArsTechnica's articles to install a legacy OS in their machines...that's all there is to it.

In the same way that PCs might do OS X after some (cr)hacking, Macs might do Winblows. But don't ask Apple to help set up such a system, please.
 
ArizonaKid said:
Bastard,

lol Kinda fun using name as a opening. :)

Because Macs never booted Windows doesn't mean that past practices can't be broken. Additionally, I don't see how supporting "legacy" (Apple's Words) BIOS on EFI hurts them in anyway. Apple's statement sounded arrogant, as if they would not be bothered by such trivial implementations of BIOS support on EFI.

On suiting my needs: With the amount of attention this topic is getting, it’s obviously more than just my needs.

Even though I don't agree with software limited to hardware, my call wasn't so much for Apple to open their OS, rather to point out the irony of past post, which screamed a MS for "potentially" looking out Windows on Apple - that's all.

I understand your belief, that Apple's OS perhaps may not be able to provide the revenue basis simply on its own. And yes, I acknowledge that their current business model is based on a complete software and hardware system solution. But no one these boards, even me, can really discredit an untested theory. That theory being that Apple could succeed greatly on just OS X and additional software sales. This frontal attack against MS may be a reality some day with a larger install base.

Back to the Point: Running Windows on an Apple is a win win for both companies. Apple gets that sale of software and hardware with every new system (the price of software is built in you know), and MS gets a sale for its OS. That is if you are using a genuine certified MS copy. :)
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It's barstard BTW.:D

I agrree with you mostly, except that you have to think about this from the point of view of these two companies. THey both don't want to be seen to be saying that the other OS has some benefits, I know this sounds ridiculous, but this is how these sorts of companies think.

I seriously want to be able to run Windows, and so far this may be the only USABLE solution. My main point is that both Apple and Microsoft knew that it wouldn't take long for others to make this happen. This is the best way for Apple. There will soon be a VERY easy way to do this, and the news will spread, but Apple will have absolutely NO obligation to support your attempts, or to help when you have problems!

I will be using this but I don't expect Apple OR Microsoft to help me in any way.

barstard.
 
this is simply healthy competition between two giant companies...we should not be a victimized by them...we should stick to what we believe is proper to our machines so it will function properly...in short we should stick to where it is BUG-FREE!! :)
 
Yes

gedto said:
Have you checked the just-posted video?

It looks quite real, I'm totally buying it.

http://clips1.vimeo.com/video_files/2006/03/15/vimeo.74487.mov

Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have a winner. ;)
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I agree. Looks very real to me. Can't wait. Although a retail XP Pro box aint cheap, though still cheaper than a VPC + XP Pro solution. But not as useful. Not making much sense now... must be the beer, bongs and big nights on the weekend.:D

Great news.

barstard.
 
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