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Just out of curiosity, why are iOS devices relevant in this?
iPhones & iPads of course don't have ethernet, they are portable devices (an Apple TV is a set top box)
That's a really odd thing to throw in to your argument there...
True. There have, however, been complaints why the lighting port on the iPhone doesn't support USB 3.0 speeds to speed up e.g. movie transfers from iTunes. What these people fail to understand is that the rest of the hardware in an iPhone (CPU, flash memory, internal interfaces) wouldn't be able to keep up with that speed anyway. These devices were designed for extreme power efficiency, not to act as file servers. The same goes for the Apple TV, which is based on the same platform.
Except...the iPad Pro that's about to come out DOES support this exact thing... (USB 3 speeds over lightning)
http://jeffcarlson.com/2015/09/11/ipad-pro-lightning-port-is-usb-3-speed/
No need to reply and tell me "it's meant for professional desk use". Pretty sure they'll be used "unplugged" plenty...haha -- Perhaps iOS devices will all get that shortly - it would be nice.
Regarding ATV - I'm not sure that "extreme power efficiency" is really relevant to a set top box that's plugged in 24/7. The extremely minor power usage increase is a total non factor in this debate.
I disagree. I want minimal standby power consumption and no fan in my living room (which is why I will not get a Roku 4 even though it's otherwise a great device by all reports).
OP, I've been using my Apple TV for a day. I have a 30/30 Mbps connection (optical fiber). I have it plugged into my Ethernet to an AirPort Extreme. I'm just curious what you think would improve if they had added Gigabit Ethernet. Everything seems to run pretty smoothly. No lag, no hangs, and AirPlay starts almost immediately. I've tried it wirelessly too, but didn't notice any difference. I went back to plugging it back in. Figured there would be less chance of interference with my other wifi devices.
You seem pretty upset by the lack of Gigabit Ethernet. Is your Apple TV lacking in performance somewhere?
You seem pretty upset by the lack of Gigabit Ethernet. Is your Apple TV lacking in performance somewhere?
Why do you assume a fan would be needed simply for gigabit ethernet?
Do you have some data on that?
Yes I have. My employer makes, among other things, Ethernet phy chips. You'd also have to beef up other parts of the platform, which would further increase power consumption. And there is simply no reason to do that on an Apple TV.
Nope, I bought the Nvidia Shield and AppleTV on Friday.
Nvidia Shield is just as silent as the AppleTV. (Both do not make a sound.)
It is also not significantly bigger, it's wider but much (significantly) thinner.
I WANTED to like the AppleTV more, but the Nvidia shield is a superior machine in terms of hardware, apps, ironically I am using an Apple Keyboard on it (that i cant use on the AppleTV). So far the only thing the Nvidia Shield can't do the AppleTV is play Apple Music.
All of my familys mobile devices are Apple,tablets, all my laptops are Apple, Apple Watch, Apple TimeCapsule,Airport Extreme, I have 1 Windows desktop and zero (until now) Android devices. I have no desire to buy any more Andriod devices, but the Nvidia Shield is light years ahead of AppleTV in nearly ever facet. A lot of these issues will be rectified in the future, (apps) and the gap will close, but you cant do much about poor choices in hardware.
Currently I have 2 AppleTV 4 (one was a gift from Apple ironically), and 1 Nvidia Shield.
I am going to return the AppleTV I paid for and keep the gift and hope at least the app situation improves or at least the device gets jailbroke, because I doubt Kodi will ever be on the App store, maybe you never know,Google approved it.
AppleTV is a major let down for me, it is not what it was hyped to be, in fact it is not as good as a device that has been out since April.
I have never returned or really ever been highly disappointed in an Apple product this much ever.
More like Magic iEthernet
I agree, it's criminal that the new box doesn't have gigabit ethernet.
I have Shield too and it can get pretty noisy when the fan spins up.
I don't disagree that the hardware is more powerful. But that doesn't make it a better product for what I want to use it for anymore than a fat gamer laptop isn't better than a lightweight ultrabook when portability is the goal.
I agree. But it has nothing to do with the 10/100 Ethernet port.
You keep talking about power consumption concerns on an already very low power device that is plugged into the wall at all times. It's simply not a relevant concern.
Apparently it won't be an issue to bump up to USB3 speeds on the portable and battery powered iPad Pro and keep excellent power consumption. Kudos to Apple, right?
Well, the fact is that if I'm wired to ethernet, according to the speedtest app on my Apple TV, I get about 30-40mbps. On wifi, I'm well over 120mbps. Gigabit ethernet would of been nice, especially for streaming from my iMac.
...and if Gigabit comes in the next update, the same people saying "what's the point" and "you don't need it" will be here hailing it as "awesome to have! Way to go Apple! The best gets better!", etc, etc.
I love Apple stuff, but the lengths some people will go to defend every single thing they do is so nauseating.
I don't know about you, but I don't want a device the size of an iPad Pro in my equipment rack.Apparently it won't be an issue to bump up to USB3 speeds on the portable and battery powered iPad Pro and keep excellent power consumption. Kudos to Apple, right?
The new ATV has already gotten fatter just because of a bigger passive cooler.I agree. I'm big on Apple too, but I'm not blind. I didn't know it wasn't gigabit until I ran the speed test. When I put 2 and 2 together I did a real life "SMH". Nobody should be defending this lol
To be honest, I'm not going to run cat-5 into my living room (Time Capsule is in the den), so I actually appreciate the ac wifi and don't need gigabit ethernet.
I could care less the size of the Apple TV - I haven't even laid eyes on my ATV3 in about 2 months as it's in the AV setup and tucked away with acres of space to spare.
I agree that AC is great and all, but I still haven't upgraded my router. Until I do, gigabit would of been nice!
You "need" the Apple TV to be as small as possible?
Sounds like you better stick with the smaller ATV3 since you're space constrained
May have a point, the AirPort Extreme with gigabit ethernet has a fan in it. However on the flip side not many people know that because its completely inaudible unless you have your ear in physical contact with the device.
I'm just pointing out, that believe it or not. Most consumers that buy it, also won't want to run cat-5 through their living room (or to a bedroom).
I'm honestly surprised that Apple even put ethernet into it.
Edi: also, while I appreciate the snark, why are your needs/wants more valid than mine?