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Wireless faster than Wired, So Dumb.
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That was widely speculated to be for product similarity with the Time Capsule of the same design that needed the fan for the hard drive in it - not the ethernet.
Personally, I need gigabit for my 300mbps internet connection and for streaming from my iMac. I only get about 120mbps with the current wifi. I haven't upgraded to an AC router yet, but until I do, it would of been REAL nice to have gigabit.
Apple's contribution and thoughtful design with climate control in mind?
If it was a battery depended device, sure. But I recall plugging a cord into an outlet to power it.
Are we talking 15W or .25W
Really? If I had full access to my 300Mbps connection on the apple TV, then all download times would be cut in half. Maybe you don't value time, but I do
You said streaming, not downloading. Even Blu-ray tops out at 50Mbps, so what exactly is it that you want to stream?Really? If I had full access to my 300Mbps connection on the apple TV, then all download times would be cut in half. Maybe you don't value time, but I do
The difference would be in millivolts.
The AppleTV while streaming doesn't even use 2w, likely .01-.0.3w if even that.
Check your units.
Yes, and that's precisely because they paid attention to the power consumption of all components. The Nvidia Shield, in comparison, draws about 10W and requires active cooling because of that.
The Nvidia Shield requires active cooling because its a Quad Core CPU with a significantly more powerful GPU not because of 1000 ethernet.Check your units.
Yes, and that's precisely because they paid attention to the power consumption of all components. The Nvidia Shield, in comparison, draws about 10W and requires active cooling because of that.
AppleTV could have gigabit ethernet and it would have nearly zero impact on heat, electricity consumption, the only negative impact would be on Apple's profit margin.
I would say that's clearly speculation. If they completely omit the hard drive connectors in the extreme model by using a different logic to save a couple cents then they would have omitted the fan if it wasnt required.
Besides look at the size of the heat sinks ontop of the logic board and the gigabit ethernet controller. Red box.
According to this...
http://www.intel.com/design/network/products/lan/controllers/82541pi.htm
That particular gigabit controller uses around 1w at 1000mbs and .3w at 100mbs. That's pretty significant for a single chip.
Without having mechanical cooling it would need some sort of open air design. The design already got bigger to accommodate that massive heat sink.
No telling if that's enough for even more heat.
http://www.intel.com/design/network/products/lan/controllers/82541pi.htm
That particular gigabit controller uses around 1w at 1000mbs and .3w at 100mbs. That's pretty significant for a single chip.
Without having mechanical cooling it would need some sort of open air design. The design already got bigger to accommodate that massive heat sink.
No telling if that's enough for even more heat.
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On my ATV4 I have compared wireless and Ethernet both connected to an Airport Time Capsule network. With Ethernet I am getting speedtest results of 75/18 and with WiFi I get 65/18 so no big difference. Everything appears to be streaming fine and have no apparent lag in anything including streaming from my iMacs. I have Gigabit Ethernet switches and wiring (Cat5e and Cat6 cables) to connect the majority of my devices by Ethernet, so only have a few devices that connect via WiFi. My IP Security Cameras work far better over ethernet than they did over WiFi.
Rather than complain about Apple penny pinching (or cent pinching) I would be more concerned with the prices many people appear to be getting charged for their broadband. I am paying £24 a month for line rental, superspeed broadband 70/15 (and am getting higher than that most of the time), unlimited downloads and free weekend telephone calls.
Feels like early days with the ATV4 and think there is loads of room for development and look forward to apps such as BBC iPlayer coming out and better SiRi integration in apps such as Netflix. Minor points that I do like is that the SiRi remote seems to work well with my TV system. One press and my TV wakes up and on comes the ATV4 on the correct channel. The same operation with my ATV3 took a few key presses on both my Tv remote and the ATV3 remote.
Rather than complain about Apple penny pinching (or cent pinching) I would be more concerned with the prices many people appear to be getting charged for their broadband. I am paying £24 a month for line rental, superspeed broadband 70/15 (and am getting higher than that most of the time), unlimited downloads and free weekend telephone calls.
Feels like early days with the ATV4 and think there is loads of room for development and look forward to apps such as BBC iPlayer coming out and better SiRi integration in apps such as Netflix. Minor points that I do like is that the SiRi remote seems to work well with my TV system. One press and my TV wakes up and on comes the ATV4 on the correct channel. The same operation with my ATV3 took a few key presses on both my Tv remote and the ATV3 remote.
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I wonder how those $20 5-port gigabit switches in such small closed boxes are not exploding because no cooling or venting.
Have you ever done hardware design? All components must be matched. For example, to make proper use of a GigE Phy you need a CPU can run the protocol stack at 1Gbps line speed as well as fast enough storage if you are downloading at that speed, otherwise you just wasted resources for nothing. Putting a GigE Phy into a low-power platform like the Apple TV would likely require other components to be upgraded as well, which in turn would increase the power consumption even more than just the GigE chip.
You don't know that. I think the hardware engineers at Apple know what they are doing when it comes to efficient designs (while I wouldn't necessarily say the same about the software guys
).I wonder how those $20 5-port gigabit switches in such small closed boxes are not exploding because no cooling or venting.
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Very good question.
Nothing. Unless a quarter of a second per video launch is going to give you enough free time to add a week to your life.
You just wasted a year's worth of Apple TV Gigabit ethernet time betterment in the time it took you to type this sentence. If you truly value your time this much, don't respond to this post either. Go enjoy the 0.25 seconds with your family. I'm sure you can squeeze half a hug or a whole smile in there.
BJ
Even a raw Blu-ray rip isn't going to push more than 40Mbps. Complaining about *only* having a 100Mbps Ethernet port is silly. There is nothing you are going to ever stream to your Apple TV that will ever max out the connection as-is. Furthermore, you are smoking crack if you think you'll ever get more than a few Mbps from an iTunes purchase/rental download, doesn't matter how fast your Internet connection is. Not to mention 4K streaming is only pushing 15Mbps. Might as well complain they didn't use 10GbE.
You're awful worked up over something that doesn't make much of a difference to the few folks it affects and makes no difference at all to most other users.
This is Apple were talking about. Putting an App Store on something that didn't have one before is "amazing and magical."
Also, the guy has been dead for 4 years now. Time to let it go.
Love that gif, nicely played
Also I'd like to see you address Menel's common sense post at #5 that you conveniently seemed to have avoided responding to...
Just a side note.. the throughput of 1Gbit routers is not 1GBit, You can wire it up all you want, but that ac will give you the same throughput the wired connection gives you, and you couldn't even count the difference in latency or tcp/ip overhead. What you believe is happening vs reality seems to be quite .. mythical. sorry.
You can wire it up all you want, but that ac will give you the same throughput the wired connection gives you, and you couldn't even count the difference in latency or tcp/ip overhead. What you believe is happening vs reality seems to be quite .. mythical. sorry.Next gen 4k Bluray has a max bitrate of 100.
What video are you going to watch that is higher than that?
I've never had any issued with wifi anyways. Just use it.