With Apple Music at 20M Users, Spotify Hits 50M Paying Subscriber Milestone

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  1. Dagless macrumors Core


    Jan 18, 2005
    Fighting to stay in the EU
    Apple on the back foot is how I like them. I subscribe to Apple Music but I'm considering leaving for now.
  2. Paco II macrumors 65816

    Sep 13, 2009
    It's really different strokes for different folks. Just as I think 2700 tracks is a tiny music library and you think it is large enough, surely you can understand that for others spending $10/Mo is a very small amount for what they are getting.

  3. smorrissey, Mar 4, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2017

    smorrissey macrumors 65816

    Mar 12, 2015
    No, a higher bitrate is not the end of the story the codec used for compressing the music and even the equalizer used are too. Spotify uses OGG Vorbis (equilivent or slightly worse than MP3) with a choice between 96kbps, 160kbps, and 320kbps however the sound is the most compress of them all (specially because of their normalized sound feature turned on by default), Apple Music is m4a (aac) at 256k and uses the ios equalizer which is enough to offer a superior sound compared to an mp3 IMO.

    Apple Music streams songs at the same quality as iTunes downloads

    Main problem with Apple is the buggy user interface specially if you are on Windows, regarding that feature, user interface, which can make it almost unusuable for many users, Spotify is far superior IMO.

    But i'm not gonna try to convince you that will be pretty tiring, you need to try them all first and choose your favorite.

    About Spotify implementing a Hi-Fi option, those are good news but i really doubt it would be implemented world wide soon but that would mean that we will see Apple and Google music offering the same quality in the future too.

    What am i using right now? Well last month i gave a try to Apple music in order to see if they have fixed their bugs but no, they are all still there + new ones for free, main problem right now is they are not listening their customers.
    iTunes 12.3.3 fonts size are now way too BIG!

    Right now i'm using Spotify for 1 month in order to see what's new which is nothing so next month i'll be back to Google Music, which is mp3's quality but in my very personal opinion less compressed sound and a little better sound compared to Spotify but inferior compared to Apple Music also i get Red Tube (no adds on youtube) + Play Music (being able to upload 50,000 personal songs for free and streaming them).

    Being fair there's no perfect stream service currently out there, all have different pros and cons and at the end of the day each user decides for himself.
  4. smorrissey macrumors 65816

    Mar 12, 2015
    I'm on a third world country and i have Red Tube, ha take that!
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    yes but they don't lack sleep because of that believe me....
  5. monkeybear0145 macrumors member

    Sep 10, 2013
    Getting the paid version of Spotify removes the ads...
  6. KamranMackey macrumors 6502


    Oct 22, 2013
    Once again, incorrect. Spotify has had the normalized volume feature turned OFF by default for quite a while now. You need to brush up on your knowledge of Spotify IMO. By the way, I don't care if Apple Music uses the iOS equalizer since Spotify offers an equalizer on iOS as well, so that's not new.
  7. Exhale macrumors 6502

    Sep 20, 2011
    Nope. Tests for about 2 decades has put it ahead of MP3 and AAC, though it is behind LE-AAC at low bitrates. Apple does not use LE-AAC however.

    Furthermore, at a compression ratio of ~1/4 - you don't lose much data regardless of codec; keeping in mind that lossless compression techniques are around 2/4 to 3/4.
    Codec matters mainly at lower bitrates - where compression ratios are much higher.
  8. ArmCortexA8 macrumors 6502a

    Feb 18, 2010
    Terra Australis
    LOL - Just shows the sheep who want to pay for something when they get nothing in return in a tangible form. Fools.
  9. Levo14 macrumors newbie


    Aug 30, 2015

    Zune!! [I realise not a phone]
  10. Sevendaymelee macrumors 6502


    Mar 27, 2016
    That's all a very shortsighted view. Things come and go. Smartphones and Netflix won't be much of a thing in 30 years time either. Music has been with us for a very long time and people have shown they value it. Right now we're going through a delivery issue, not a monetary one. If the internet died tomorrow, believe me, physical sales would rebound overnight. People and music are as old as man itself.
  11. ikky macrumors newbie

    Oct 26, 2016
  12. cyb3rdud3 macrumors 65816

    Jun 22, 2014
    I have Amazon through Prime, I have Spotify through Vodafone, but I only use Apple Music. I find it much better, easier to integrate with car audio systems as well such that the phone doesn't have to be touched as it appears as just an iPod.
  13. JGRE macrumors 6502a


    Oct 10, 2011
    Dutch Mountains
    Overhere, Spotify is also sold as part of the cable network bundle of KPN.
  14. Steve121178 macrumors 68040


    Apr 13, 2010
    Bedfordshire, UK
    What are they not getting?
  15. S14Drvr macrumors member


    Sep 9, 2016
    Woodstock, NY
    I think you just answered your own question;):apple:
  16. Mackinjosh macrumors 6502a

    Aug 21, 2014
    Glad to see Apple getting spanked. Their apps for Apple Music are horrendous, especially on Windows and Android. iTunes on my Mac is a piece of junk as well. Meanwhile Spotify works brilliantly on every device I use it on, including streaming while playing games on PS4. Apple can't touch that.
  17. nburwell macrumors 68040


    May 6, 2008
    Until Apple can up their game and start offering better music suggestions for me to discover, I will not be leaving Spotify. I still love the user created playlists that you can search and follow on Spotify.
  18. Kurfer macrumors regular


    Mar 13, 2008
    The biggest driver for me sticking to apple (I use iTunes Match instead of Music) is that I can plug my phone into my idrive interface and it picks up my songs and plays them via playlists. As I understand my car would not recognize another app vs builtin music service via iTunes.
  19. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a


    Apr 20, 2009
    I resent that comment. Have you ever rented a car? An apartment? A movie? Netflix? Hulu? Well, how foolish. :rolleyes:

    A streaming music service works great for me. I couldn't possibly fit my entire collection on my phone. Ripping and managing music is a time consuming pain. I also couldn't possibly afford to buy all the albums I listen to streaming.
  20. joueboy macrumors 65816

    Jul 3, 2008
    Did I mentioned streaming competition from my original posts? No! I just mentioned Spotify wants a free ride to provide through Apple's services. But since you mentioned competition I'm sure they're worried when Apple Music was released. That's why they cried because Apple Music has advantage over not paying 30%, but they own the service to begin with. Whatever it is competition is always good and I found Apple Music suits best for my family needs. If you like Spotify a lot just stay in there, nobody convinces you to leave. You feel like you're in defensive mode all the time. Makes me wonder if you work for the company or have an interest for the company. :rolleyes:
  21. smorrissey, Mar 7, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2017

    smorrissey macrumors 65816

    Mar 12, 2015
    Incorrect, i just resubbed 3 weeks ago and installed the app on my devices, phone and PC all had the normalized volume feature turned ON. I had to make some research about improving the Spotify sound and i found advices about DISABLING that feature in order to obtain a less compress sound because the one Spotify uses by default is just cra#$#.

    I don't need to brush anything, Spotify was my first streaming service before any Apple Music or Google Play Music even exist, they were pioneers i applaud that.

    I DO care about the equalizer, the Spotify one is more or less (still inferior than the iOS one IMO) but at least includes one, Google Play Music doesn't even have one.
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    So you are pretty much saying that a Spotify Premium streamed song has more quality than the same song bought on Apple Store as an iTunes plus file?... I totally disagree but everybody is entitled to have their personal opinion though...

    BTW guys although i use a streaming music service i still buy physical cd's for the music that matters to me, if i want the best sound i'm gonna play the CD and no i don't give a cent about vinyl but that's a different story...
  22. KamranMackey, Mar 7, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2017

    KamranMackey macrumors 6502


    Oct 22, 2013
    Well, for me, the normalized volume feature is turned off by default. I must've turned it off at some point and it's kept my setting across fresh reinstalls of the Spotify applications. Although, the normalized volume feature is meant to keep the volume at the same level across all songs, it's not meant to (as far as I know) reduce sound quality.

    And, that is exactly what they are saying. I've personally gotten better sound quality out of Spotify's versions of songs than I have with Apple Music, and I have a trial with Apple Music until early April, at which point it expires. I've been testing both, and Spotify reigns supreme in terms of quality. I don't know what your devices are doing but Spotify has superior quality in all the tests I've done. And sure, you can still buy CD's, no one stops you from doing that. You give artists more money to make better music. No harm in doing that.
  23. Exhale, Mar 8, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2017

    Exhale macrumors 6502

    Sep 20, 2011
    Yours is an opinion. Mine a fact.
    Uh, yes. The M4A format was chosen after all for its DRM capability. Apple has since thrown out the DRM, but stuck with the audio codec. Because of the diminutive differences between codecs at high bitrates - they've never felt bothered to switch. Especially since competitors still tend to either use MP3, or the same M4A format.
  24. ani4ani macrumors 6502a

    May 4, 2012
    I have zero interest in the company or your serendipitous version of history...sorry
  25. Keebler macrumors 68030

    Jun 20, 2005

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