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You can't return your iPhone if you want to buy a later one that might be fixed. AT&T will charge you the $600 for the new phone.

How does this work? Are you saying you're locked into a two year contract on a phone you returned?
 
You can't return your iPhone if you want to buy a later one that might be fixed. AT&T will charge you the $600 for the new phone.

Not true. If you return the phone you reset back to your original eligibility. That means you can get a phone for the upgrade price at any time.
 
Can you imagine if the $2000 Macbook Pros suddenly had massive hard drive failures and Apple's response was "you're using it wrong"?

How soon we forget. This iP4 issue is just another small bump in the road forgotten in a few months. Arguably more people are affected here, but, this is not a new play from the Apple Playbook. It will get fixed. With all the press the Apple Stores are still packed and iPhone orders still backed up.

All companies dismiss issues w/ their products. It's the best way to not spoon feed case-hungry lawyers. You want companies to be more forthcoming then you need serious legal reform -- obviously not going to happen b/c the trial lawyers lobby is very strong, and the EU likes to bop companies every chance they get.
 
yeah I don't see how they wont be able to respond to this

All this backlash isn't because of a non issue that's for sure
 
Oh it's definitely not a non-issue as Jobs claimed.

Sure, it may be true if you grip CERTAIN (not all, like he said) cellphones a certain way it may affect signal. But not to the point that the bars completely disappear and your phone is essentially rendered non-functional.

Again, you have to GRIP the phone and WAIT like that for an awfully long time for it to drop the call...but it shouldn't do it at all, that's the point. It IS a defect, even if it's incredibly overblown in the media and Apple fanboys alike.
 
Oh it's definitely not a non-issue as Jobs claimed.

Sure, it may be true if you grip CERTAIN (not all, like he said) cellphones a certain way it may affect signal. But not to the point that the bars completely disappear and your phone is essentially rendered non-functional.

Again, you have to GRIP the phone and WAIT like that for an awfully long time for it to drop the call...but it shouldn't do it at all, that's the point. It IS a defect, even if it's incredibly overblown in the media and Apple fanboys alike.

yeah agreed

Agree with all of that lol

it's just hard sitting around waiting I think

Especially since besides te antenna thing the phone is perfect and looks and feels amazing
 
Again, you have to GRIP the phone and WAIT like that for an awfully long time for it to drop the call...but it shouldn't do it at all, that's the point. It IS a defect, even if it's incredibly overblown in the media and Apple fanboys alike.

Just a couple points of clarification...

Once the antenna are bridged in less than full signal coverage, the the transmission stops. The bars are a trailing indicator. It may take 10 seconds or more for the bars to finally catch up to what's actually happening.

And if you mean grip as in hold then yes. If you mean grip as in crush it, then no you're misinformed.
 
Well, for my phone personally, if I just hold it as I would normally, even if my hand is covering it, it doesn't drop nearly as fast as when I truly grip it with force, squeezing my hands to both black strips. Then it drops much much faster.
 
Just curious, but the actual news report was 1 minute and 48 seconds long (the reporter's part started at 12 seconds in and ended at the 2 minute mark).

Could you yourself provide all the info that you think is perfect and accurate to the best of your knowledge in 1 minute and 48 seconds, such that nobody would ever dare question it or your motives? Would anyone watching such a video come away saying "Wow, I learned more about the iPhone 4 in 1 minute and 48 seconds from that guy's video report than anybody else has ever even attempted."

I'm not saying you can't, I'm asking if you can/could.

I can't provide everything I would want to say in 1 minute and 48 seconds, but I sure can do a better job than what I saw.

And most of the people I know actually do know what "snarky" means. ;)

The people you know probably did better on their SAT verbals than the average Joe on the street.

Touching that spot, however - and nothing else - kills it dead. That's even worse. Should NBC now go back and do an amended story that says "oh, if that weren't bad enough, if you happen to touch the phone here, you'll kill it dead."

Should they?

They don't need to amend the story, it is my personal opinion that a better job could have been done. It is your opinion that the piece that MSNBC ran was not a sensationalistic piece that I labeled. Now we can at least agree that we have different opinions and that likely is not going to change no matter how many times we go back and forth. I'll leave it at that.
 
To add to my previous comments a work colleague just asked "hows the phone been since apple did the fix? Ooooh its really nice Id love one but they are expensive!" - exactly my earlier point!

Seriously, for the general public its forgotten about yesterdays news. Its not damaging to the IP4 (just look at the continuing sales) or Apple in any way. Its a trait of the phone, I DONT think the fix will change anything, it HASNT affected me at all, and when all is said and done Apple will be selling just as much (if not more) Iphone 5's next summer. No amount of nerd rage is going to make any difference Im afraid to say.
 
I think the most annoying thing about this is the **** talking lol

like apple people being framed as sheep? I guess

So much hate for people just buying a product
 
Getting worse? I think the over the top hysteria has pretty much all but died down now.

The trolls must be so disappointed... all that work and swoosh, effects gone in a mere few thousand heartbeats. I guess they would be really disappointed to find out how many geeks don't even bother having a television set any more, much less catch snippets of broadcast television on You Tube.
 
No, once they release that...people will still have problems and it will gain more steam.

I don't believe the percentage of people that will still be dropping calls is as significant as some would like to believe. Even now, the anger has fallen off quite a bit.

I'm pretty sure Apple will stand by their design for better or worse, whether it's a poor design or not. Complaints surely won't be resolved by Apple re-designing the hardware. There won't be enough for that. They'll maintain that if it doesn't work for you, return it and buy something else.
 
Ironically, when not white-knuckle gripping my new iPhone 4 around the lower left corner, I get better reception than ever before.
 
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