Worst Mac I have owned - Macbook Pro 2016 with TouchBar

[throAU]

Windows 10 and macOS are both safe and secure operating systems, both have vulnerabilities mostly exposed by the users. Microsoft is clearly moving more settings to the new UI, equally nor can Microsoft rapidly flip a switch given the massive corporate footprint the OS has. One also has to question if your living in settings, once set up I rarely visit settings in either OS.

Major problem with Windows is it's complex and offers the average user far too much control, hence why so many systems go haywire. If you understand the OS or don't meddle with it Windows rarely presents issue, there's good reason why the term PEBKAC originated...

Q-6

Nah.

The major problem(s) with Windows is forced updates on Microsoft time, their constant faffing about with the UI (3 major changes in 2 years since windows 10 release - not even including the Windows 7->8->8.1 fiasco), shoving mobile "touch friendly" garbage (that isn't, try using a surface with no mouse or keyboard, go on) on us, and sending usage data (and a whole heap more - some of it has been released, go look up some of the stuff sent) back to Microsoft whether you like it or not.

Never mind the total inability to figure out simple things like non-blurry UI scaling between different DPI displays hooked up at the same time, UI inconsistency, total lack of software QA, real world power consumption, malware, integration with other devices, bluetooth that works (or for that matter a single source of support for hardware vs. driver problems), etc.

Complexity and PEBKAC is the least of the problems with windows. The platform is a complete dumpster fire.


And i say that as someone who has been making a living getting paid to support it for 20+ years (and still is).

 

[Queen6]

Nah.

The major problem(s) with Windows is forced updates on Microsoft time, their constant faffing about with the UI (3 major changes in 2 years since windows 10 release - not even including the Windows 7->8->8.1 fiasco), shoving mobile "touch friendly" garbage (that isn't, try using a surface with no mouse or keyboard, go on) on us, and sending usage data (and a whole heap more - some of it has been released, go look up some of the stuff sent) back to Microsoft whether you like it or not.

Never mind the total inability to figure out simple things like non-blurry UI scaling between different DPI displays hooked up at the same time, UI inconsistency, total lack of software QA, real world power consumption, malware, integration with other devices, bluetooth that works (or for that matter a single source of support for hardware vs. driver problems), etc.

Complexity and PEBKAC is the least of the problems with windows. The platform is a complete dumpster fire.


And i say that as someone who has been making a living getting paid to support it for 20+ years (and still is).

Don't deny in your environment, equally W10 is more stable and gets the job done for me while OS X is pandering to IOS and has just become crash happy of recent. I am a consultant so I only deal with my own 3-4 systems of which I tailor to my usage. I've a Surface Book it's never crashed or presented issue in nine months of professional use, paying itself over a hundred times. Mac's are fine a long as you don't load the system, if you do Apple's own Apps will rapidly become flaky, and that I don't need.

As for user data it can be stopped and anyone who thinks Apple is not up the same is simply naive, as of 10.11 the OS has been sending inordinate amounts of data to Apple's servers. Personally I prefer Microsoft's approach as they are open about it, while Apple remains to be silent...

I just look at what works best for me, right now Apple is very far off the mark...

Q-6

 

[techortreat]

When did you send this computer in? A week is a bit much for these repairs. And they definitely do not offer replacements after one failed repair. That could just be a mistake from a repair technician who accidentally touched the logic board and fried it.

I sent it in on 20-July. Checked today (25th) and it seems they need to replace the top case and that part was not available. They are expecting the part today and so probably another couple of days before I receive it.

 

[techortreat]

Got the Mac back today. Following parts replaced per the service slip.
Logic Board, top Case with Battery, 2 I/O boards, mylar bmu eop TCON ( whatever that is)
Re-installed OS. have to now start restoring data. First issue - Office for Mac license error - appears I have installed the product too many times on the same machine..

 

[PBG4 Dude]

Got the Mac back today. Following parts replaced per the service slip.
Logic Board, top Case with Battery, 2 I/O boards, mylar bmu eop TCON ( whatever that is)
Re-installed OS. have to now start restoring data. First issue - Office for Mac license error - appears I have installed the product too many times on the same machine..
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At least you have the same bottom plate and rubber feet, right? (j/k! )

 

[jerryk]

Got the Mac back today. Following parts replaced per the service slip.
Logic Board, top Case with Battery, 2 I/O boards, mylar bmu eop TCON ( whatever that is)
Re-installed OS. have to now start restoring data. First issue - Office for Mac license error - appears I have installed the product too many times on the same machine..
View attachment 710495

What? No new display!

Seriously, you have to wonder if it might have been cheaper and quicker for Apple to just give you a new system.

 

[techortreat]

What? No new display!

Seriously, you have to wonder if it might have been cheaper and quicker for Apple to just give you a new system.

looks like they changed a part, found out it didn't fix the problem, then tried another, and went on - till it finally worked.
or replacing one broke the other and so on
all kidding aside, Apple support is one of the best but I feel the last couple of experiences for me could have been much better!

 

[c0ppo]

Don't deny in your environment, equally W10 is more stable and gets the job done for me while OS X is pandering to IOS and has just become crash happy of recent. I am a consultant so I only deal with my own 3-4 systems of which I tailor to my usage. I've a Surface Book it's never crashed or presented issue in nine months of professional use, paying itself over a hundred times. Mac's are fine a long as you don't load the system, if you do Apple's own Apps will rapidly become flaky, and that I don't need.

As for user data it can be stopped and anyone who thinks Apple is not up the same is simply naive, as of 10.11 the OS has been sending inordinate amounts of data to Apple's servers. Personally I prefer Microsoft's approach as they are open about it, while Apple remains to be silent...

I just look at what works best for me, right now Apple is very far off the mark...

Q-6

.NET developer here. And I am using Windows since 3.11 release. And still using Windows.
I am glad that Windows is working out for you. It is slowly becoming a great OS. But to say that it is safe and stable as OSX or Linux is simply put - not true. At all.

I can list you 100 things that Windows does better then OSX, I use both. But security and stability is not one of them. MS tries to keep up with backward compatibility, and they manage to do it. But that comes at expense of security.

Secondly, registry on Windows by itself is a huge alarm for stability. MS is trying to get rid of registry, but since they care so much for backwards compatibility, they are keeping it around, but encouraging developers not to use it anymore.

But the fact is - 99,99% of Windows applications still use it. And will continue to use it. Hence making Windows unstable when compared to *nix systems.

I could really go on and on about windows vs osx/linux, but I really hate that part - 'vs'. I use both. Every OS has its advantages and disadvantages. Every OS. That includes OSX as well.

So I would stop right there. But if I had to choose one OS, and use just that one... Well, I don't have to do that. So I use whatever suits me for the current task

 

[jerryk]

looks like they changed a part, found out it didn't fix the problem, then tried another, and went on - till it finally worked.
or replacing one broke the other and so on
all kidding aside, Apple support is one of the best but I feel the last couple of experiences for me could have been much better!

I like Dell Premier support better. They come to your house/office and fix it right there.

 

[Queen6]

.NET developer here. And I am using Windows since 3.11 release. And still using Windows.
I am glad that Windows is working out for you. It is slowly becoming a great OS. But to say that it is safe and stable as OSX or Linux is simply put - not true. At all.

I can list you 100 things that Windows does better then OSX, I use both. But security and stability is not one of them. MS tries to keep up with backward compatibility, and they manage to do it. But that comes at expense of security.

Secondly, registry on Windows by itself is a huge alarm for stability. MS is trying to get rid of registry, but since they care so much for backwards compatibility, they are keeping it around, but encouraging developers not to use it anymore.

But the fact is - 99,99% of Windows applications still use it. And will continue to use it. Hence making Windows unstable when compared to *nix systems.

I could really go on and on about windows vs osx/linux, but I really hate that part - 'vs'. I use both. Every OS has its advantages and disadvantages. Every OS. That includes OSX as well.

So I would stop right there. But if I had to choose one OS, and use just that one... Well, I don't have to do that. So I use whatever suits me for the current task

Exactly I've moved to the more stable platform for my needs. I can manage the security aspect. To me Apple used to have a significant edge with the OS these days things are far more equalised.

I am not an expert in either OS by any means, equally I am experienced with both OS (beginning of both), just find the harder I push OS X the more frequently crashes occur, W10 simply holds up. That said I don't deny that it's easier to "break" Windows, one definitely needs to know what what works and what does not. Can certainly see advantage in retaining one OS X system, equally Apple is loosing the appeal both on the hardware & software sides.

Linux would be an option, however SW comparability and hardware limitations (notebooks) rather make it impractical.

Q-6

 

[techortreat]

I like Dell Premier support better. They come to your house/office and fix it right there.

That's nice. Are the costs comparable with AppleCare?

 

[jerryk]

That's nice. Are the costs comparable with AppleCare?

If you buy one of their upper configuration laptops it is free for the 1st year. The price for the second and third year varies depending upon the model. I just paid $150 for the second year on a loaded XPS 15. The Depot repair option was $80 or so.

I believe they have a breakage option that is similar to AppleCare+. But I tend not to get those and just buy a new system if one gets accidentally broken.

 

[c0ppo]

That said I don't deny that it's easier to "break" Windows, one definitely needs to know what what works and what does not.

Actually, because of registry, Windows will slow down eventually. No matter what you do, or don't do. That is a proven fact. Registry is like a skyscraper. Nice and easy to organise things, but if one floor fails, well, then there are problems. And if you fill it up too much, things will slow down and eventually stop working.

Plists on the other hand were considered old fashioned. But nowdays, everyone wants to use that sort of system for organising things around. Each plist is a very small house of it's own. If one house gets destroyed, other houses continue to function like nothing happened.

Windows is heading in that direction. But MS is unwilling to give up on backwards compatibility, and that is a strong point in some segments, but a pretty weak point in other segments. File/App organisation is that weak point obviously.

equally Apple is loosing the appeal both on the hardware & software sides.

Software side Apple is still pretty dominant. iOS and MacOS work together like no other. Ecosystem is the best out there. And I give them credit for that.

But on the other hand, I'm using iOS less and less. Simply find it too closed for my preferences.

Hardware wise, I am using Lenovo 'P' series at the moment. Purchased a month ago. First time since 2009. that I've purchased something other then Macbook Pro. I hate touch bar, and I find that Apples gimmicks are getting out of hand.

I do miss MacOS on laptop side of things, but I enjoy P50 so much that I'm not even looking into MBP for now. If in 2-3 years Apple offers 15" without TB, I will consider it. But would I trade my P50 for a new MBP with TB? Nope. Thanks, but no thanks

 

[petererr]

Being a 10years+ macbook user and after 2 years of using this ****, I have to save the title of this post is evidently true.

 

[techortreat]

Being a 10years+ macbook user and after 2 years of using this ****, I have to save the title of this post is evidently true.

my latest problem - wifi gets disconnected a few times a day. Both at work and home.

 

[GtrDude]

but.....but the corners match when you close it..... I mean perfectly...

 

[Trixs]

Similar story here. Issue after issue. Worst mac I’ve owned

 

[Painter2002]

I don't think you're overreacting to your particular situation, it just ducks when it happens to you.

Personally I think it's two things here. Firstly, it's plain bad luck. Secondly, the new generation of MBP is a first-generation product (well, now second-gen) and less reliable than long running series like the Air.

Before getting my 2016 MBP, I had a 2013 MBA. I love my new laptop, easily the most powerful I've ever owned. But that MBA was sooooo reliable.

I totally agree with this. Typically I always prefer to wait until at least the second generation of products on everything I get (computers, cars, other technology). First generation products always have some bugs that have to be worked out, and that is part of the risk of being an early adopter of new technology. My iPhone X is the first thing I can say I’ve bought as an early adopter.

 

[Damtoft]

Yup it's a piece of **** mac. I have had my logic board replaced, screen replaced and keyboard replaced.