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No, I've used Windows since then. My point was that even when Apple was at it's worst, stability wise (OS 8), it was still preferable to microsoft's offering.
So what you're saying is that, 19 years ago, you preferred the stability of Mac OS over Windows. I would agree with that statement. How is that relevant today...19 years later?
AidenShaw
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Which "Microsoft offering".
Because you can't seriously claim that OS8 was more stable than NT 4.0 SP3. You can't.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
That's too often the case. The bois who are Apple fans are often out of touch with current systems.
The uptime on many of my Windows systems matches the "time since power failure shutdown" from my UPS systems. Where it doesn't match, it usually matches the time since adding memory or PCIe cards.
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I'm interested in hearing why he would bring up the stability of operating systems from 19 years ago.
Ironically he suggests the lack of stability may have been the hardware he was running Windows on.
Oh, this is interesting. I must have had a forbidden thought. I am being castigated for suggesting that Apple is better than Windows. The trouble is that you are both (IT guy and Aiden) being imprecise in your reading of my comments. What I said was that Apple's OS over the years has been PREFERABLE to Windows' offerings.
... so I say I PREFER something, and along come the thought police to declare me illogical for my preference. I have made no claims to superiority of one system over the other. Furthermore, a couple of you mocked my suggestion that hardware is partly responsible for the instability. Well, that's helpful advice, but last time I checked, I need hardware to run software. I am not alone in my preference for mac hardware. http://www.businessinsider.com/appl...for-every-mac-it-uses-instead-of-a-pc-2015-10
I'm not an IT guy. I'm a working professional. I depend on computers and IT guys to do my job, but I don't need high end computers for my work. At my work, I am provided with a free PC laptop. I choose to buy my own Apple laptop, because I was losing too much time trying to get our IT department's equipment to work. I am paid by my productivity, and I find it is well worth it for me to spend a few bucks and have something that just works. I have found that I can buy my own Apple laptop, VMware into our work server, and I am much better off. I simply show up, fire up my computer, and start working. I PREFER to be able to just do my job than to jack around with crappy equipment. So as to pre-empt you pointing out that I am logging into a server running Windows, I am well aware of that. It's what the business world runs on, and it runs poorly. I would never accept at home the level of instability that I have to tolerate at work.
Finally, it is not my problem that you cannot understand the significance of OS 8 to the argument. I think most people who used OS 8 would agree that it was not Apple's finest moment with regard to software stability. You might say something like, "I would take Obama on his worst day over Bush on his best day." Everyone understands what this means.
On this one point however, you nailed me. I did like DOS. I have never been as fast with modern word processors as I was on Word Perfect (can't remember the version) on a 386. The things you could do with the function keys back then...
... so I say I PREFER something, and along come the thought police to declare me illogical for my preference. I have made no claims to superiority of one system over the other. Furthermore, a couple of you mocked my suggestion that hardware is partly responsible for the instability. Well, that's helpful advice, but last time I checked, I need hardware to run software. I am not alone in my preference for mac hardware. http://www.businessinsider.com/appl...for-every-mac-it-uses-instead-of-a-pc-2015-10
I'm not an IT guy. I'm a working professional. I depend on computers and IT guys to do my job, but I don't need high end computers for my work. At my work, I am provided with a free PC laptop. I choose to buy my own Apple laptop, because I was losing too much time trying to get our IT department's equipment to work. I am paid by my productivity, and I find it is well worth it for me to spend a few bucks and have something that just works. I have found that I can buy my own Apple laptop, VMware into our work server, and I am much better off. I simply show up, fire up my computer, and start working. I PREFER to be able to just do my job than to jack around with crappy equipment. So as to pre-empt you pointing out that I am logging into a server running Windows, I am well aware of that. It's what the business world runs on, and it runs poorly. I would never accept at home the level of instability that I have to tolerate at work.
Finally, it is not my problem that you cannot understand the significance of OS 8 to the argument. I think most people who used OS 8 would agree that it was not Apple's finest moment with regard to software stability. You might say something like, "I would take Obama on his worst day over Bush on his best day." Everyone understands what this means.
On this one point however, you nailed me. I did like DOS. I have never been as fast with modern word processors as I was on Word Perfect (can't remember the version) on a 386. The things you could do with the function keys back then...
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The post of yours I responded to said:
"OS 8 was more stable than the Acer or whatever PC it was we got at the time."
That's not stating a preference. Furthermore while I happen to agree with it, assuming you're not referring to Windows NT, I fail to see what relevance bringing up the stability of a 19 year old operating system has today.
I am not mocking you with my suggestion the hardware may have been the underlying reason for the instability. I am suggesting you may be focused on the wrong source of the issue. Windows runs on a huge amount of diverse hardware from cheap (note I did not say inexpensive) systems to high end workstations. Is it your position they're all equal in quality? As you said...you need hardware to run software. Therefore it seems reasonable to me if you have low quality hardware that may be the cause of software problems. Do you disagree? While I like Acer and have had positive experiences with them I will definitely say it's not even close to the quality of systems (like the Precision or Z-series). I don't expect it to be either as it costs significantly less. Yet Mac users routinely compare Apple hardware (which is good quality) to $199 el cheapo Windows systems. Do you feel that's a reasonable comparison?
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Spin off Apple Computer and have Guy and Woz run with it.
Populate the executive staff with some HP, Dell and Supermicro managers
and listen to their customers and give them what they want.
The magical pipeline of epicenter innovation.
That's the ticket.
Populate the executive staff with some HP, Dell and Supermicro managers
and listen to their customers and give them what they want.
The magical pipeline of epicenter innovation.
That's the ticket.
Bubba Satori
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Attendees prolly thought Phil was referring to the form factor and not the actual computer. 😱
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lowendlinux
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I know you're not serious but it'd be refreshing to have Guy back you could pair him with any nerd really and it'd be great!Speaking of evangelists...
Spin off Apple Computer and have Guy and Woz run with it.
Populate the executive staff with some HP, Dell and Supermicro managers
and listen to their customers and give them what they want.
The magical pipeline of epicenter innovation.
That's the ticket.
pat500000
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yes......................unless........................
yurc
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uh..oh...even MOST of my working colleagues don't know what is 'Mac Pro'. This is real story~
They know iPhone iPad iToys etc, but each time talking about mac pro they must be referring to macbook pro, not mac pro.
When i showed a cheese grater they react : "What, is apple had release a pc box like this?"
Not stop until there, i'm continue explaining the successor which is trash bin cylinder in apple website
"I don't know if apple make this black cylinder stuff. I'm not notice"
Don't worry, they still recognise iMac~
Another real story: My friend who had latest iPhone, visit my home and looking into my monitor. "Wow, this notification looks really same as my iPhone. Did you modding your windows again?"
It's El Capitan. He said modded windows. Great, I'm not tell much, just small laughs😎
Sign of great apple success brainwashing apple is gadget company, not computer~
They know iPhone iPad iToys etc, but each time talking about mac pro they must be referring to macbook pro, not mac pro.
When i showed a cheese grater they react : "What, is apple had release a pc box like this?"
Not stop until there, i'm continue explaining the successor which is trash bin cylinder in apple website
"I don't know if apple make this black cylinder stuff. I'm not notice"
Don't worry, they still recognise iMac~
Another real story: My friend who had latest iPhone, visit my home and looking into my monitor. "Wow, this notification looks really same as my iPhone. Did you modding your windows again?"
It's El Capitan. He said modded windows. Great, I'm not tell much, just small laughs😎
Sign of great apple success brainwashing apple is gadget company, not computer~
pat500000
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Yea...apparently, there are people who doesn't know what mac pro is....some might even think it's heater.
Bubba Satori
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Dang it...I can't imagine this...Mac Pro iCoffee Heater, $99.
Caffenine-free model, $129.
Apple vs Martha Stewart.
BTW: that's a cool icoffee heater...my coffee would get cold real quick. could be useful.....now...about that Apple care plus.
JimGoshorn
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flat five
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i don't think that ad (and the like) is aimed at you.. or this forum. (though not macrumors as a whole).
if pro mac users account for , say, 5% of apple's sales.. expect in return about 5% of their ads being geared towards you.
pat500000
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Oh i know. It's more likely aimed at regular consumers/ or those who are into mobility....or just plain promotion of ipad pro.
btw..haven't seen you here in long time....
thewap
macrumors 6502a
A new mac pro would indeed resuscitate the forum(s) , and probably Apple's image in the market.
What is most apparent in the current line up (or lack thereof) is the lack of vision of Apple's standards and goals without a pro desktop class that is modular enough to satisfy many pro industries.
While many argue that the creative power pros are a "niche" , that same niche creates a vision that no mobile marketing can achieve. Most might not be able to afford super class computers, but we sure are influenced by companies who strive to excel in tech and power.
There is a reason there are race cars in races such as indy, or formula 1 etc.. each company strives to show what their tech is capable of. Then in consumer models that very same tech is slowly implemented in products which drives the sales -through vision. We visualize participation in that tech and vision, when we purchase cars...or computers.
Gimping the mac mini, gimping the macbook, restricting upgradability or consumer ability to maintain or expand their computers, coated screens and glue, does not instill a vision to Apple loyalists - the backbone of what made this company survive.
At least Steve had passion, it was personal, he pushed for the best, he challenged all, and most of all he had a clear vision with quality products that he shared and influenced us with... great times.
Now all I see is confusion, a fractured Apple following, and superficiality in all the products that scream marketing without real substance.
cMP was THE vision standard of it's day....what do we have now?
What is most apparent in the current line up (or lack thereof) is the lack of vision of Apple's standards and goals without a pro desktop class that is modular enough to satisfy many pro industries.
While many argue that the creative power pros are a "niche" , that same niche creates a vision that no mobile marketing can achieve. Most might not be able to afford super class computers, but we sure are influenced by companies who strive to excel in tech and power.
There is a reason there are race cars in races such as indy, or formula 1 etc.. each company strives to show what their tech is capable of. Then in consumer models that very same tech is slowly implemented in products which drives the sales -through vision. We visualize participation in that tech and vision, when we purchase cars...or computers.
Gimping the mac mini, gimping the macbook, restricting upgradability or consumer ability to maintain or expand their computers, coated screens and glue, does not instill a vision to Apple loyalists - the backbone of what made this company survive.
At least Steve had passion, it was personal, he pushed for the best, he challenged all, and most of all he had a clear vision with quality products that he shared and influenced us with... great times.
Now all I see is confusion, a fractured Apple following, and superficiality in all the products that scream marketing without real substance.
cMP was THE vision standard of it's day....what do we have now?
That used to be true.
Today computer workstations and professional cameras are no longer the front line of tech development. Mobile phones have taken that spot. The highend working tools are now more of stable workhorses that slowly adapt new technology.