I just don't want to have to buy an adapter.
If they threw one in with the phone that would be great but I doubt it.
If they threw one in with the phone that would be great but I doubt it.
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Would no headphone jack force you to move away from the iphone?
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Here's a video uploaded by Jonathan Morrison, covering a pair of $800 lightning headphones. It seems a bit ambiguous as to whether the audio quality really is improved, but looking at the price range, I can see why Apple would be interested in entering this range.
And I have no doubt there will be people more than willing to spend on such hardware if they believe it will have an improvement to their audio listening experience.
beats sell like hotcakes, after all, despite there being a a better price to performance ratio almost everywhere else you look.
It's all fine and dandy for people who only use Bluetooth but I have auxiliary in my car and expensive Bang & Olufsen 3,5mm headphones and my training earphones are 3,5mm. Occasionally I like to connect my iPhone to my tv speaker set and that too is 3,5mm. It's simply too early to ditch 3,5mm for me. It will be at least a good 5-10 more years before everything I use is wireless and I know many people are like me.
Everything points to Apple ditching 3,5mm and I have to say that it has gotten me worried. That's one big reason why I opted for a 6S+ and chose not to wait for the iPhone 7+.
Everything points to Apple ditching 3,5mm and I have to say that it has gotten me worried. That's one big reason why I opted for a 6S+ and chose not to wait for the iPhone 7+.
I think if they are to get rid of the headphone jack it they will add one in personally.
It's safe to say new phone tech isn't for you then.
I didn't see anything in your list that couldn't be accomplished with bluetooth (I use bluetooth aux in my car for music) or an adapter that I am sure they will sell.
In a perfect world, would I prefer the 3.5 jack?, yep.
But if losing it means I get waterproof, bye bye!
No one is forcing anyone to use their phone as their sole music source.
I think the forums regarding Apple keeping (or getting rid of) the headphone jack port are ridiculous. People can try to make their case, that they need to keep doing what they're doing now for using headphones with the 3.5mm connection. But time marches on and in technology there have been case after case of these types of changes happening.
Think of all the people who had (then) expensive cassette players and box after box of cassette tapes (I was one of them), only to then have cassettes all but disappear from the market - because there was a better alternative (cd's) to use. Sony's Betamax cassettes on the video side were similar, although they were the better technology, they lost out to cheaper VHS, which then lost out to dvd's (which are now losing out to streaming).
Sure, 3.5mm headphone jacks have remained a constant across all these changes, but that shows just how old and ripe for a change the headphone market is. For those that have not tried any of the new generation bluetooth headsets, they are miles ahead of where they used to be, and once you go without wires, there is little reason to go back.
Think of all the people who had (then) expensive cassette players and box after box of cassette tapes (I was one of them), only to then have cassettes all but disappear from the market - because there was a better alternative (cd's) to use. Sony's Betamax cassettes on the video side were similar, although they were the better technology, they lost out to cheaper VHS, which then lost out to dvd's (which are now losing out to streaming).
Sure, 3.5mm headphone jacks have remained a constant across all these changes, but that shows just how old and ripe for a change the headphone market is. For those that have not tried any of the new generation bluetooth headsets, they are miles ahead of where they used to be, and once you go without wires, there is little reason to go back.
When you say 'new phone tech', the question out there is what are we really getting?
A second speaker doesn't seem like much in the way of 'new technology'. I can't imagine there are more people who listen to their music from the speaker and would want stereo sound at the cost of a 3.5 jack.
And I find it hard to believe that other companies can build waterproof smartphone with a 3.5 jack, but Apple can't.
If Apple is going to provide something innovative enough to make it a fair trade off, great. If they are going to use it as a cheap money grab to sell adapters and lightning headphones/earbuds, it'll be disappointing. (Even more so if they try to sell it under guise of a 'better music experience')
I get what your saying about no one is forcing anyone to use their music as their sole music source. But the iPhone was created as an extension of the iPod. Apple has invested billions (literally) into their purchase of Beats and creation of Apple Music. It seems to me like they are highly invested in the idea of using an iPhone as a music source.
No, but at that price they really should have done - and once upon a time they did include things like DVI-to-VGA adapters with some Macs. Apple surely get a decent margin on their sales, and their prices are more to do with market positioning than the bill of materials, so it wouldn't bankrupt them.
I use phones and iPads in lots of different places: I do have BT headphones, and they are certainly the preferred solution - BT quality and power consumption is improving - or sometimes I stream to an AppleTV, but I also sometimes plug into my old HiFi. On a plane - well, I've checked, and it seems that BT is allowed but whether that news has got through to the airline crew, I don't know. Also, if there's anything worth watching on the inflight system I want to use my own cans on that, too, which rules out BT/lightning. I actually just got some new cans that have bluetooth *and* a detachable 3.5mm jack cable - which solves that problem, but a nice feature of those is that you can use the cable even if the battery is out...if your device has a 3.5" jack.
I think dropping the 3.5" is a good idea - thickness aside, the 3.5" jack socket is a major point of mechanical failure, like sticking a crowbar inside your phone. Carrying a lightning-to-3.5" dongle is hardly the end of the world - esp. if its well designed and (eg) stays securely connected to the headphone lead. But lots of customers are going to have decent, older, headphones or other devices that plug in via 3.5" that they want to keep using - so that dongle needs to be either included (best) or cheap (i.e. not $25-$30).
So in summary, despite the over inflated hype about this being a cardinal sin, nobody gives two?
I know it needs to go. I already have a pair for $300 Bose Qc15's, I don't want to add another $35 just so I can use them.
But I agree, less ports less problems. I don't want the phone too thin though, I don't want less battery life!
I don't think they will provide an adapter. I think they will provide Bluetooth headphones with the box but that's it. Remember when they switched from the 30 pin connector to the lightning cable. They did not include an adapter to enable people to use their old peripherals. All the supplied was the Lightning cable in the box with the phone.
I don't mind buying an adapter.
adapters are a total pain... I had an old sony phone back in the day that required one of these to use regular 3.5mm headphones..
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Headphone-Adapter-Adaptor-Ericsson-Pureness/dp/B0031HLQ52
kept either losing/forgetting or breaking them.
it will pain me to use an adapter due to switching between about 3 sets of headphones depending on what I'm doing plus the added kick in the teeth of having to buy them as there is no way it will come with the iphone 7.(and they won't be cheap either)
But I'm too far into the apple icloud eco-sysem to switch to an S7 edge , so will just have to suck it up.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Headphone-Adapter-Adaptor-Ericsson-Pureness/dp/B0031HLQ52
kept either losing/forgetting or breaking them.
it will pain me to use an adapter due to switching between about 3 sets of headphones depending on what I'm doing plus the added kick in the teeth of having to buy them as there is no way it will come with the iphone 7.(and they won't be cheap either)
But I'm too far into the apple icloud eco-sysem to switch to an S7 edge , so will just have to suck it up.
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Nope. Not jumping ship. The iPhone is primo.
Period.
Assuming a set of headphones come with the phone, I will be happy with that.
It's a phone.
Okay, so I ruined my hearing many years ago playing guitar too loud for too long in a band, so I can't hear the delicate tones anymore anyway. I use Bluetooth in my car already and usually don't listen to music while not driving because of my hearing, or lack of it.
Period.
Assuming a set of headphones come with the phone, I will be happy with that.
It's a phone.
Okay, so I ruined my hearing many years ago playing guitar too loud for too long in a band, so I can't hear the delicate tones anymore anyway. I use Bluetooth in my car already and usually don't listen to music while not driving because of my hearing, or lack of it.
I like iOS too much to jump ship for something like this, but it will certainly give me pause to wait as long as I can before updating.
Option 1: If it comes with an adapter, that would be ideal. However, my current earbuds use a 90-degree connector, which would be less than ideal with an adapter.
Option 2: If it comes with lightning earpods, this sort of implies the lightning port is outputting analog audio. I would wait to see the teardown and technical analysis of this. In this scenario, I think adapters will come to market very quickly and become affordable. This is less ideal again due to many headphones (including beats) having 90-degree connectors, but it would be ok.
Option 3: If it comes with lightning headphones that have onboard DAC or whatever, or in some way the lightning port is not able to output analog audio, I would buy an iPhone 6S and wait as long as possible before upgrading again. Hopefully by then, there will be enough options on the market where I can get a newer version of my headphones that have both analog 3.5mm and lightning options.
I actually think Option 3 is pretty unlikely. Hopefully either Apple or someone else is able to come up with an adapter that somehow alleviates the clunkiness of plugging headphones with a 90-degree plug into a straight adapter.
Option 1: If it comes with an adapter, that would be ideal. However, my current earbuds use a 90-degree connector, which would be less than ideal with an adapter.
Option 2: If it comes with lightning earpods, this sort of implies the lightning port is outputting analog audio. I would wait to see the teardown and technical analysis of this. In this scenario, I think adapters will come to market very quickly and become affordable. This is less ideal again due to many headphones (including beats) having 90-degree connectors, but it would be ok.
Option 3: If it comes with lightning headphones that have onboard DAC or whatever, or in some way the lightning port is not able to output analog audio, I would buy an iPhone 6S and wait as long as possible before upgrading again. Hopefully by then, there will be enough options on the market where I can get a newer version of my headphones that have both analog 3.5mm and lightning options.
I actually think Option 3 is pretty unlikely. Hopefully either Apple or someone else is able to come up with an adapter that somehow alleviates the clunkiness of plugging headphones with a 90-degree plug into a straight adapter.
I don't think option 3 is feasible at all. If they go ahead with this I'm 99.9% sure that the lightning port will output analog audio. They already put a DAC inside the phone, so it'd be stupid for them to just use it for speakers.