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Would you buy a rMBP without a dedicated GPU?

Remember, the 13" Macbook Pro only has an iGPU. I don't believe the benchmark that leaked specified which model that Macbook Pro was.

I think both models are going to benefit from the Iris Pro, while the 15" inch will keep the dGPU.
 
Zombiechow said:
Remember, the 13" Macbook Pro only has an iGPU. I don't believe the benchmark that leaked specified which model that Macbook Pro was.

I think both models are going to benefit from the Iris Pro, while the 15" inch will keep the dGPU.
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There has already been a supposed benchmark for the new 13" which uses the 28W dual core CPUs with Iris (HD 5100).

I don't think that we will see the 47W quad core CPUs in the 13".
 
I am waiting for what they release to buy a 15" or not. If it has no dGPU, I will not be buying one, sadly. Iris Pro cannot even match the current card being sold, there's no way I am buying a new laptop with worse performance than the current, makes no sense at all and Iris Pro does not deliver what I need.

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Zombiechow said:
Remember, the 13" Macbook Pro only has an iGPU. I don't believe the benchmark that leaked specified which model that Macbook Pro was.

I think both models are going to benefit from the Iris Pro, while the 15" inch will keep the dGPU.
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Might want to check that again, it is the 15".
 
iKrivetko said:
Will need to see the real-life performance of the Iris Pro before making any decisions, but generally I am very glad that the trend of pumping up integrated graphics in laptops and ditching the dedicated ones is finally beginning.
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Basically almost the same as last year's dGPU.

But slower at higher resolutions.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/6

And the problem people keep forgetting is... their Retina MacBook has a very high resolution screen.
 
Yeah, but how often do you play Crysis 3 in native 2880*1800 res anyway (or anything else for that matter)?
 
blueTattoo said:
Yeah, but how often do you play Crysis 3 in native 2880*1800 res anyway (or anything else for that matter)?
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That's not really the point though. A notebook that is supposedly for professionals or semi-professionals should not just rely on Intel graphics. It's getting there but not quite yet.
 
It is there for open cl stuff, however. In some cases actually- far ahead. CS6, Davinci Resolve, and Final Cut should benefit from that. Also, I am not sure that games are a good benchmark for how well iris will perform in more regular gpu-stuff, I mean, when was the last time you enable 4*MSAA in Pixelmator? :D

I am not saying it's perfect, but it has strong points, even before you consider power/heat benefits.
Plus, AMD and Nvidia are on the same architecture/node as last year, so no significant upgrade there either.
 
blueTattoo said:
I am not saying it's perfect, but it has strong points, even before you consider power/heat benefits.
Plus, AMD and Nvidia are on the same architecture/node as last year, so no significant upgrade there either.
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Agreed though from an economic standpoint... to hell with Apple charging $2k for integrated graphics. As it is, $1,699 is too much for a 13" with Iris 5100. I say the fairest and this is pushing it for a 15" with the Iris Pro is $1,499. I'd go to $1,199 if I could even.
 
I will never get a 15" laptop that has a slow piece of ***** GPU. I will only get a rMBP if it comes with the GTX780M, maybe if it comes with the 770M, if it doesn't have at least a 770M I will be forced to get a MSI Dragon to play my games.
 
Yeah, GTX 780m in rMBP will be one hell of a hot notebook! Although, not as nearly as much as Air with dual Titan's!
I love the smell of fried apples in the morning! :D
 
rabidz7 said:
I will never get a 15" laptop that has a slow piece of ***** GPU. I will only get a rMBP if it comes with the GTX780M, maybe if it comes with the 770M, if it doesn't have at least a 770M I will be forced to get a MSI Dragon to play my games.
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Looks like MSI will be getting your dosh buddy :p. Apple will never be that generous and give us a 770M never even mind a GTX780M
 
rabidz7 said:
I will never get a 15" laptop that has a slow piece of ***** GPU. I will only get a rMBP if it comes with the GTX780M, maybe if it comes with the 770M, if it doesn't have at least a 770M I will be forced to get a MSI Dragon to play my games.
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GT 650M is a ~40 W GPU; GTX 770M needs ~75 W. Given that the current gen rMBP already gets pretty hot, you can forget about anything above a GTX 760M, and even that would truly be a miracle.

The MSI Dragon is a 2.2" notebook, rMBP is 0.7". It's just physically not possible to cram the same hardware into it.
 
Ironsyde said:
Given that the current gen rMBP already gets pretty hot, you can forget about anything above a GTX 760M, and even that would truly be a miracle.
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Even the 760M would drain too much at 55W...

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2305/geforce-gtx-760m.html

Given the 37W without HD4600 running on the 4800/4900MQ, it would already be out of spec.

The only dGPU that Apple could put in there is the 750M, but its performance improvement over the Iris Pro isn't drastic enough to warrant keeping the dGPU.

People can say what they want, but there will be no dGPU in the Haswell refresh in all likelihood. It just doesn't add up/work.
 
I'd have to really think about it.

Despite the naysayers, the existing 650m still benches better than the Iris at a lot of tasks, and the 750m will just make that worse.

The Macbook Pro is a machine for pros, not everybody. It's supposed to deliver good performance without compromises, and Iris is full of compromises.

Power shouldn't be that big of a deal. The existing Retina Macbook Pros have a discreet GPU, and they do just fine. The dGPU even stays off until you need it.
 
neteng101 said:
Even the 760M would drain too much at 55W...

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2305/geforce-gtx-760m.html

Given the 37W without HD4600 running on the 4800/4900MQ, it would already be out of spec.

The only dGPU that Apple could put in there is the 750M, but its performance improvement over the Iris Pro isn't drastic enough to warrant keeping the dGPU.

People can say what they want, but there will be no dGPU in the Haswell refresh in all likelihood. It just doesn't add up/work.
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What about AMD?
 
Well, pretty much the same for a given performance- same 28nm process, still dedicated chips that need dedicated memory and no chance of competing with iris on power consumption.
 
neteng101 said:
Even the 760M would drain too much at 55W...

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2305/geforce-gtx-760m.html

Given the 37W without HD4600 running on the 4800/4900MQ, it would already be out of spec.

The only dGPU that Apple could put in there is the 750M, but its performance improvement over the Iris Pro isn't drastic enough to warrant keeping the dGPU.

People can say what they want, but there will be no dGPU in the Haswell refresh in all likelihood. It just doesn't add up/work.
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The Iris Pro is OKAY, but that's about it. I could justify buying one if they could fix all thermal issues. Even so, the Iris Pro is a downgrade from the 650m, especially for Retina/4k screens. Apple should be upgrading graphics, not downgrading.
 
Ironsyde said:
Even so, the Iris Pro is a downgrade from the 650m, especially for Retina/4k screens.
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Its a huge upgrade over the HD4000, and without dealing with the switching, it provides consistent performance so none of the bad stuff when running on the IGP. Plus its not really a downgrade from the 650M unless you're talking about its gaming performance - compute-wise for GPU compute it seems to be an upgrade overall.

So I think its actually a perfect compromise - and the only thing that's lost is something that's not relevant to pros, just those spec junkies and those that insist on gaming on a laptop that was never built with the intent of serious gaming.
 
Apple would never include something higher than say for example what Razer or Clevo put in their notebooks. Enjoy your MSI which there's nothing wrong with.
 
They should lower the prices... because they should, not because of iris.
Again- Iris is faster than last year's gt650m in many workloads that are actually relevant to "pros" (e.g. not gaming), consumes less power, and produce less heat. How is that in any way cheap? Or a compromise?
 
Why is apple so stingy with graphics cards? Everything is either terrible or way over priced.
Ill never buy an integrated GPU only machine after the POS GMA950 in first gen apple&intel products.
 
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