Would you like an iPhone with Fingerprint Sensor at back?

[imk_87]

Well, I think it is neither a good idea nor practical.
I won't use it at all, then. Anyway, I have it on only for my password manager.

agree

 

[willmtaylor]

If Apple could embed the home button within the display, that would likely be ideal for most, who do not prefer the touch ID on the back of the iPhone. But I don't believe the touch ID will be embedded in the display this year, which leads me to believe either will retain on the front of the iPhone or as rumors indicated , it will be placed on the back of the iPhone.

Similar topic to this thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/poll-bezels-vs-touchid.2042646

 

[valinda]

I am not a fan of the sensor on the back. I have
an LGV20 as a spare phone. When you have it flat on a surface, you have to pick it up to unlock.
Not a biggie, but slightly annoying.

 

[JonMPLS]

PLEASE don't put it on the back . . .

 

[zorinlynx]

I like the TouchID sensor how it is, on the front of the phone.

Apple should come up with good ideas, not copy bad ones from the Android world.

 

[ucfgrad93]

I like the TouchID sensor how it is, on the front of the phone.

I also prefer it exactly where it already is. I hope Apple doesn't move it.

 

[Legendts]

And that's the other thing to consider. Is if touch ID is placed on the back, my iPhone cases would be useless. Unfortunately I think that's the sacrifice technology does not guarantee us with changes.

Out with the wad punch and punch a hole in the case? Would possibly work OK.

 

[WeatherMate]

I don't want Touch ID in the back. In my use case, having it on the back would be a major pain. Right now, when I have the iPhone on my desk or nightstand, I just press the home button to unlock. If it was in the back, I would always need to pick the iPhone up to unlock it. If I have the iPhone in my car mount, the back would be covered by the cradle. Those are just some scenarios. Keep Touch ID in front.

honor smart phones also have touch sensors at the back, but you do not always have to pick up the phone in order to unlock the home screen, you can also use the side buttons to unlock it. I am pretty sure that if apple will decide to add the touch sensors at the back then they will also keep the home button so users do not have to always lift the phones for unlocking the screen.

 

[44267547]

I think this is a good case to completely eliminate fingerprint and retina scan technology. Fingerprinting is so yesterday and not at all secure. Look back at my posts from a year ago and see how we were able to develop a fingerprint scan image that opened up a Pyxis medication cabinet. Not terribly difficult to do actually - copying fingerprints just involves developing mathematical equations that simulate the ridges and most importantly the depth of each ridge. People leave their fingerprints behind on everything. I don't see where it or even retina scaning provides security for your phone anyway because the software to exploit your information is already preloaded.

It's actually Iris scanning, not retina. The iris is the colored pattern part of your eye. It is developed when you're one approximately a year old, and eye injury or death, supposedly never changes after the fact. Fingerprints can likely be duplicated one out of 50,000 as where Iris scanning is more similar to one out of 1 million. It uses infrared and a camera to detect the Iris.

Iris scanning is also expected to be 5 to 6 times more secure than a fingerprint, because it contains more unique information about you and makes it highly more accurate than fingerprint scanning.

 

[Ishan Agarwal]

It's actually Iris scanning, not retina. The iris is the colored pattern part of your eye. It is developed when you're one approximately a year old, and eye injury or death, supposedly never changes after the fact. Fingerprints can likely be duplicated one out of 50,000 as where Iris scanning is more similar to one out of 1 million. It uses infrared and a camera to detect the Iris.

Iris scanning is also expected to be 5 to 6 times more secure than a fingerprint, because it contains more unique information about you and makes it highly more accurate than fingerprint scanning.

But iris scanning has limitations which will only disturb. Like, you will have to put out your sunglasses or eyeglasses some times which is not preferable at all. Whats the point of making it so so so secure? FP is a good technology and I think, Iris scanner is only a gimmick (when it comes to phones).

 

[willmtaylor]

It's actually Iris scanning, not retina. The iris is the colored pattern part of your eye. It is developed when you're one approximately a year old, and eye injury or death, supposedly never changes after the fact. Fingerprints can likely be duplicated one out of 50,000 as where Iris scanning is more similar to one out of 1 million. It uses infrared and a camera to detect the Iris.

Iris scanning is also expected to be 5 to 6 times more secure than a fingerprint, because it contains more unique information about you and makes it highly more accurate than fingerprint scanning.

Except it has to be in good lighting, you have to holding the phone at the right level, etc. etc. Not terribly convenient.

 

[44267547]

Except it has to be in good lighting, you have to holding the phone at the right level, etc. etc. Not terribly convenient.

I slightly disagree. I tested the S8 in dim lighting and it worked fairly well on multiple attempts. Also, Its newer technology for cell phones and evolving. Reports with the S8 are positive thus far, but no, it's not perfect, which is expected for consistency and further improving.

 

[willmtaylor]

I slightly disagree. I tested the S8 in dim lighting and it worked fairly well on multiple attempts. Also, Its newer technology for cell phones and evolving. Reports with the S8 are positive thus far, but no, it's not perfect, which is expected for consistency and further improving.

I'm sorry, I was unclear with "good lighting." I actually meant the opposite. In bright light, one must open his eyes wide enough to be scanned, and this can be anywhere from uncomfortable to nearly impossible, depending upon how bright it is.

Though, now that you mention it, I hadn't considered zero light situations such as in bed or a room with no lights on. When I grab my phone from my nightstand, it unlocks very easily (without me even thinking about it) with TouchID, but if I had to open my eyes wide and hold the bright screen up, this wouldn't be ideal in the least.

Still though, one must hold the device at the right level and angle. I get that it's mobile technology in its infancy, but for me, that doesn't make it better; it simply means that it isn't ready for widespread consumer adoption.

 

[dontwalkhand]

Apple Pay with Touch ID is one swift motion. With it on the back this will too become tedious among other things such as unlocking while it's on a desk.

 

[FeliApple]

I wouldn't like Touch ID to be on the back. Purely for convenience reasons.
I like it where it is now.

 

[44267547]

I'm sorry, I was unclear with "good lighting." I actually meant the opposite. In bright light, one must open his eyes wide enough to be scanned, and this can be anywhere from uncomfortable to nearly impossible, depending upon how bright it is.

Though, now that you mention it, I hadn't considered zero light situations such as in bed or a room with no lights on. When I grab my phone from my nightstand, it unlocks very easily (without me even thinking about it) with TouchID, but if I had to open my eyes wide and hold the bright screen up, this wouldn't be ideal in the least.

Still though, one must hold the device at the right level and angle. I get that it's mobile technology in its infancy, but for me, that doesn't make it better; it simply means that it isn't ready for widespread consumer adoption.

True, you would have to have the phone congruent with your eyes holding it at the right angle to work appropriately.

Being this technology is new for cell phone manufacturers, I would be interested in seeing how Apple responds to this technology with the iPhone. I do think eventually touch ID will be a thing of the past once Iris scanning becomes more optimized and ready to be the primary source for security.

 

[michael9891]

I took delivery of an S8+ today to have a play around (can return within 14 days) and I hate the placement of the fingerprint sensor. It just doesn't feel right and find myself turning the phone over in my left hand and pressing it with one of my right fingers (or vice versa).

I use (like many) banking apps, PayPal, buying apps etc which all use Touch ID and it would just becoming a real pain using it on the back. I often use my phone in bed or lying down on the couch etc and my phone is always face up.

And while I'm writing, the screen on the S8+ doesn't blow me away compared to my 7+. And playing the same video off YouTube side by side, I can't see a difference. Same as those who think there's a big difference between the 7 & 7+ screens. I don't know why people complain about things like on such tiny screens.

 

[Leonard1818]

Hmmm... be nice to have it be the whole screen and it can scan/read it from anywhere you touch and press!

 

[eoblaed]

Back of the phone would be awful.

Completely eliminates the ability to use TouchID on the device when it's sitting on the desk in front of you without having to pick it up.

 

[baypharm]

It's actually Iris scanning, not retina. The iris is the colored pattern part of your eye. It is developed when you're one approximately a year old, and eye injury or death, supposedly never changes after the fact. Fingerprints can likely be duplicated one out of 50,000 as where Iris scanning is more similar to one out of 1 million. It uses infrared and a camera to detect the Iris.

Iris scanning is also expected to be 5 to 6 times more secure than a fingerprint, because it contains more unique information about you and makes it highly more accurate than fingerprint scanning.

So what are you saying exactly? What is the purpose of having fingerprint readers or iris scan anyway? I suspect I won't be surprised at your answer. The real threat lies within your iPhone itself - in the software and firmware that have been modified by a form of Triton. And I am willing to bet a million dollars Apple hasn't found about about the latest wave. It took them 4 years to even know about the first ones.

 

[44267547]

So what are you saying exactly? What is the purpose of having fingerprint readers or iris scan anyway? I suspect I won't be surprised at your answer. The real threat lies within your iPhone itself - in the software and firmware that have been modified by a form of Triton. And I am willing to bet a million dollars Apple hasn't found about about the latest wave. It took them 4 years to even know about the first ones.

You're asking me questions and yet you're stating "You won't be surprised by my answer". That sounds highly contradictory and rhetorical, which is dismissive for the sake of discussion.

That aside, I already explained to you the purpose of having Iris scan and the advantages over Touch ID in terms of security, with the amount of additional detailed information the Iris scan has over a fingerprint.

And you're incorrect, the threat does NOT lie within the iPhone it's self with your fingerprint. Cell Phone manufacturers do NOT have our fingerprint scans or iris images stored with in the iPhone.

What is stored on the phone only in the secure enclave portion, which is a stash of data points derived from examining Iris/fingerprint scans. Fingerprints have a vector map of where unique prints are located. Which would include unique patterns of the fingerprint with whorls, forks, islands, etc.

Every unlock is depicted into the abstract for an approximate match with the saved templates. Stored information cannot be extracted in duplication of our Iris/fingerprints.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/biometrics4.htm

http://findbiometrics.com/solutions/iris-scanners-recognition/


https://www.google.com/amp/www.comp...canning-improves-smartphone-security.amp.html

https://www.fulcrumbiometrics.com/Biometric-Fingerprint-Scanners-s/34.htm

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/fingerprint-scanner.htm

 

[DrewDaHilp1]

Home button/under the glass in the home button area if not the entire screen area. I doubt the entire screen area is possible though.

 

[baypharm]

You're asking me questions and yet you're stating "You won't be surprised by my answer". That sounds highly contradictory and rhetorical, which is dismissive for the sake of discussion.

That aside, I already explained to you the purpose of having Iris scan and the advantages over Touch ID in terms of security, with the amount of additional detailed information the Iris scan has over a fingerprint.

And you're incorrect, the threat does NOT lie within the iPhone it's self with your fingerprint. Cell Phone manufacturers do NOT have our fingerprint scans or iris images stored with in the iPhone.

What is stored on the phone only in the secure enclave portion, which is a stash of data points derived from examining Iris/fingerprint scans. Fingerprints have a vector map of where unique prints are located. Which would include unique patterns of the fingerprint with whorls, forks, islands, etc.

Every unlock is depicted into the abstract for an approximate match with the saved templates. Stored information cannot be extracted in duplication of our Iris/fingerprints.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/biometrics4.htm

http://findbiometrics.com/solutions/iris-scanners-recognition/


https://www.google.com/amp/www.comp...canning-improves-smartphone-security.amp.html

https://www.fulcrumbiometrics.com/Biometric-Fingerprint-Scanners-s/34.htm

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/fingerprint-scanner.htm

Wow....are you ever so in the dark.

 

[44267547]

Wow....are you ever so in the dark.

Actually, I'm not surprised by your reply. But In another words, you don't understand what was clearly explained to you, other than jiving the retort with "You're in the dark." Thanks for the discussion though.

 

[joeblow7777]

If it's goes back, bye bye cases/covers - everyone has to go naked their iPhones.

Yeah, having the camera on the back has certainly made it impossible to use cases... Oh, wait...
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I think this is a good case to completely eliminate fingerprint and retina scan technology. Fingerprinting is so yesterday and not at all secure. Look back at my posts from a year ago and see how we were able to develop a fingerprint scan image that opened up a Pyxis medication cabinet. Not terribly difficult to do actually - copying fingerprints just involves developing mathematical equations that simulate the ridges and most importantly the depth of each ridge. People leave their fingerprints behind on everything. I don't see where it or even retina scaning provides security for your phone anyway because the software to exploit your information is already preloaded.

Is this really something that the average person needs to be concerned about? Biometrics to unlock phones has been mainstream since TouchID debuted in 2013, and confirmed instances of biometric hacks have been incredibly rare. Way more devices are still being compromised by weak passwords/PINs.