Would you pay 25-30% more for an upgradeable MBA, MBP, or MB?

[BayouTiger]

The replies to anyone experessing an opposing opinion pretty much verifies this as simply a trolling thread and not really a poll as asked.

Anyone that that thinks that removable components and slotted Ram increases reliability and very obviously never maintained a fleet of computers. Poor connections is historically the number one cause of hardware related PC service calls.

 

[Tozovac]

The replies to anyone experessing an opposing opinion pretty much verifies this as simply a trolling thread and not really a poll as asked.

Anyone that that thinks that removable components and slotted Ram increases reliability and very obviously never maintained a fleet of computers. Poor connections is historically the number one cause of hardware related PC service calls.

Very fair answer!

 

[MBAir2010]

The replies to anyone experessing an opposing opinion pretty much verifies this as simply a trolling thread and not really a poll as asked.

Anyone that that thinks that removable components and slotted Ram increases reliability and very obviously never maintained a fleet of computers. Poor connections is historically the number one cause of hardware related PC service calls.

I think that apple fastening the ram and hd make these computers disposable or vey expensive to upgrade
.kinda like an appresion were they assume control and remove any freedom to upgrade ones computer.

 

[G5isAlive]

I hear you, but no, the very point of this thread is in response to being called a petulant whiner for wanting what should be the norm: .

I think the creation of this thread makes the case regarding ‘petulant whiner’... the irony.

But no, why spend 35% now for the possibility I might want to expand part of my machine but leave the rest outdated in 3 or 4 years...but rather save that 35% for a totally updated machine later...

 

[Painter2002]

I say no, because I don’t want to be spending more than I already had to on the MacBooks pro that I bought. If you raise the price even a mere 10-15%, I wouldn’t have been able to afford a new Mac and I would’ve been forced to by a Windows machine.

Also, while many of us can (and gladly would) upgrade our machines if we were still able, the bulk public who buys these machines won’t or aren’t technologically savvy enough to upgrade themselves, so why make them pay a 25% price hike just for upgradablility they can’t or won’t take advantage of.

 

[Tozovac]

Why should we pay extra for something that should be "Standard"??!
All the Apple stuff is very expensive as it is, no?
Oh, and BTW, the removable RAM, SSD, USB A and SD slots will never come back, so...

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I say no, because I don’t want to be spending more than I already had to on the MacBooks pro that I bought. If you raise the price even a mere 10-15%, I wouldn’t have been able to afford a new Mac and I would’ve been forced to by a Windows machine.

Also, while many of us can (and gladly would) upgrade our machines if we were still able, the bulk public who buys these machines won’t or aren’t technologically savvy enough to upgrade themselves, so why make them pay a 25% price hike just for upgradablility they can’t or won’t take advantage of.

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How about the option:
Do you think you should be able to upgrade a MBP for the extra 30% Apple charges for it?

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I am not willing to pay 25-30% more. I expect Apple to make upgradeable models for the current price. Alas that option is not available to vote for.

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I'm not perfectly happy, but I'm not willing to spend even more money for a MBP. I think they're over-priced as it is, and there's no way I'm willing to incur a 25% increase just for the ability to upgrade the laptop

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Based on the 30% we already overpay for this version of the MBP's? NO
Based on similar spec'd machines on other platforms. Yes I would pay that much extra to not deal with Windows and have a faster machine.

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This is misleading. YOu should have a third option. Would you like an upgradable MBP for the same price...?
I want upgradable MBP but I do not think we should pay 30% more...
MBP are already way overpriced for what they are offering.

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Honestly they are becoming on the verge of too expensive even for me and my huge preference for macOS.

If the track continues my next laptop simply won’t be a Mac

Hear hear.

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[flyinmac]

I wouldn’t pay more for the benefit of expandable Apple computers.

The difference is that if they were expandable, I would buy newer models of Apple’s computers.

The difference for me is the difference between buying or no sale.

So they would certainly get more money out of me than they do with their current strategy.

As it is, I’m still using what I have. And I’ve been waiting for several years for them to release a new computer that is worth buying.

In the mean time, I’m not sitting still. I’ve been migrating my purchases to their competitors and building what I need.

I have an electronics background. So if I can build it, I do.

I was in the market for the HomePod products. But Apple missed again. Their design came up short of my needs. So my entire house is set up with audio and video that rivals any dance club and is more flexible and versatile than any other smart home automation system. Can be controlled by any phone, computer, audio device through wire, Bluetooth, of Wi-Fi, and can stream, play from library, or any other source both audio and video and from multiple sources simultaneously.

And the price for it all is quite cheap compared to Apple. Granted it’s my design and labor. But everyone loves it.

The point, I’m one who can and will design or build anything I need. But I’d rather buy than build. And I prefer the Apple ecosystem. I prefer OS X and iOS.

I’m not willing to pay more for features that should already be there. But I will buy something that has what I need. So if Apple produced what I need, they’d get my money.

Until then, I design or build anything I need, or buy from their competitors. I do buy some Apple stuff here and there. But not at the level I would if their current computers met my needs.

I may still buy the occasional single purpose system here and there from them. But I am in the market for a more powerful and upgradable Computer. If they produce it, I’ll buy it. If they don’t, no real loss to me. I’ll buy or build whatever meets my needs.

 

[CreeptoLoser]

If you asked me a few years ago I would have wanted upgradable laptops. But now I recall, I have upgraded laptops very rarely and it was a waste of money. It was better to sell my computer and put the money to a new machine.

 

[sennomulo]

Yeah, I've always found that by the time some aspect of my computer becomes a serious limitation for me, it's about time for a new computer anyways.

 

[Newtons Apple]

Sigh. I’m not sure this thread is going to work out.

"Not working out" because you are not getting the results you want?

 

[pro24sure]

I just want to point out that this is not an Apple-specific thing. The entire laptop industry is moving to the form factor that does not have upgrade-able parts. EVERYONE is going for the 'thin and light' model of laptop and doing away with modular upgrade systems.

The days of upgrade-as-you need are rapidly approaching.

The new era is 'buy what you're going to need' and that is fine with me.

And at this point it's not a bad thing. I mean geez, you can get a 15" with an i9, 32 gb of ram, and 4 TB!!! of storage. Do you really think you'll need more guts in that thing before it's EOL (4-5 years)??

Also, it was only a matter of time for laptops. If you want future-proofing upgrade options, build or buy your own desktop computer. You can't upgrade the storage, processor, or ram in your iphone or ipad, so why should the laptop be any different?

Oh, and to answer the question : No.

The form factor and body of the machine would have to be thick as hell, the parts needed to do the upgrading would likely be proprietary to Apple and would cost WAY more than suggested market value.

 

[MBAir2010]

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Hear hear.

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ya know here is always a 3rd option unless that includes the soup or salad.
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I just want to point out that this is not an Apple-specific thing. The entire laptop industry is moving to the form factor that does not have upgrade-able parts. EVERYONE is going for the 'thin and light' model of laptop and doing away with modular upgrade systems.

which I strongly feel is regression and bulling.
We hereby state that "here is our computer- you must not amend or alter our computer, doing so will be punishable by voiding warranty and condemn such behavior with regulations"

 

[BayouTiger]

ya know here is always a 3rd option unless that includes the soup or salad.
i enjoyed this thread, thanks of posting!
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which I strongly feel is regression and bulling.
We hereby state that "here is our computer- you must not amend or alter our computer, doing so will be punishable by voiding warranty and condemn such behavior with regulations"

There are still big hulking "laptops" out there. I have one for my CAD operator who works from home. She does not carry it anywhere, it just sits on her desk. The only reason for a "laptop" is to facilitate her being able to grab it and bring it into the office for whatever reason (which she hasn't done in several years). Hers is one of the big 10+ lb Acer gaming machines.

For those of us that carry our machines all day and need to use them in the field, size, weight, and battery life is everything. I used to be an upgrade maniac. I built all the machines for my office, desktops and servers. Hell, 2006 Mac Pro had eSata cards, Video card upgrades, every drive sled full, and about every other upgrade possible. Even my base model Trash Can now has a 12 core and 64GB ram. My last iMac had a BD drive and SSD. All my older pre unibody MBP's got SSD swaps, and even the Lenovo Tiny PC's I use in the office get upgraded to SSD as soon as I buy them (you need a 500GB 2.5" spinner - I have dozens of them that are brand new and yet in the discard pile).

But the fact is that upgrades are no longer terribly compelling. Moore's "Law" died some time ago and updates have been less than compelling. The only reason I am not using my 2013 unibody MBP is the fact that they have gotten smaller, lighter and have much better battery life. Performance wise, they are faster, but not enough to justify replacement. I've bought Dell XPS's, HP Spectre's, Microsoft Surface's, and Lenovo X1Carbons, all chasing the best user experience, size, weight, and footprint. Yet here I am right back in a new 13" MBP.

Oh, one more thing, I am not sure if you have ever upgraded/replaced and NVMe drive....it's not a lot of fun, and depending on the machine can be a real PITA as it's not as simple as attaching a USB enclosure and cloning. Not impossible, but certainly nothing that an average user is going to take on. Hell, even adding an NVMe to an HP Envy is a pain, and the basic ones at Best Buy have the vacant slot just sitting there unpopulated. The guys at the local BB always question me as I have on more than one occasion left with a new Ryzen Envy and a Samsung 960. My outside sales guys are carrying Envys with a blazing 256SSD and 1TB of bulk storage, along with a blazing fast CPU out the door and I'm out less than $850 and a little time for the upgrade. If you want the best deal in a laptop I can't recommend this path highly enough!

 

[Tozovac]

"Not working out" because you are not getting the results you want?

Ha ha, no not really. I was hoping I could explain the request well enough that people would "get" that my question is: Do you have a MacBook of some type that you've had for a while and would REALLY like to put a few hundred $ into in order to double your memory or storage, now that time has passed and the pain of spending up for an Apple product has eased, and since you enjoy your computer and would like to now see it be a bit more powerful than it was when you bought it. But I can see how the poll can be viewed straightforwardly as "do you wish you could buy an expandable MacBook" as some are looking at it.

Honestly, I'm growing less bitter at Apple's focus on unintuitive software, UI's full of light grey text on blinding white backgrounds with no "cues" for what's info vs. actionable, and throwaway computers (my opinions on their products vs. before 2013). And like a devoted husband who's stayed true to an unappreciative wife and tried to make things work out, feelings of wanting to stick around are just going way. Desires of wanting the next great Apple product to replace my MBA one day are just fading, growing a little numb, that's all. Polls like this help me verify I'm not alone in some aspects of my critiques of Apple products. As I'm not alone in certain priorities, it'll be interesting to see Apple's valuation in 5 years...growth like theirs is hard to maintain, especially with a product line-up that's becoming sooooo targeted and more expensive and less time/life-friendly.

 

[Painter2002]

Ha ha, no not really. I was hoping I could explain the request well enough that people would "get" that my question is: Do you have a MacBook of some type that you've had for a while and would REALLY like to put a few hundred $ into in order to double your memory or storage, now that time has passed and the pain of spending up for an Apple product has eased, and since you enjoy your computer and would like to now see it be a bit more powerful than it was when you bought it. But I can see how the poll can be viewed straightforwardly as "do you wish you could buy an expandable MacBook" as some are looking at it.

Honestly, I'm growing less bitter at Apple's focus on unintuitive software and throwaway computers (my opinions on their products). And like a devoted husband who's stayed true to an unappreciative wife and tried to make things work out, feelings of wanting an Apple product to replace my MBA one day are just fading, or growing a little numb, that's all. Now I can't be alone, so it'll be interesting to see Apple's valuation in 5 years. Growth is hard to maintain, especially when your product line-up is becoming sooooo targeted.

I would say through personal experience that I did have an older 2012 MacBook Pro (non-retina) and a 2011 Mac Mini that I upgraded to give a little extra life into, but honestly I didn’t do the upgrades til the last couple years that I owned each one of those respectfully. Considering how much RAM for Macs alone costs, I have a hard time justifying upgrading these machines myself. I’d rather get a machine that is already upgraded enough to last that extra two years than to have the upgradablility.

Having said that, I think my bigger wish is that Apple were design a product with greater repairability in the area of battery, and keyboards. It’s sad t me that after 5 years you can only replace a battery by replacing the entire topcase. Yes, I know iFixit has tools and a guide to replace the unibody batteries, but even as a nerdy dude who likes messing with electronics, it is too overly complicated just to replace a stinking battery. Same for the keyboard...

 

[BayouTiger]

Ha ha, no not really. I was hoping I could explain the request well enough that people would "get" that my question is: Do you have a MacBook of some type that you've had for a while and would REALLY like to put a few hundred $ into in order to double your memory or storage, now that time has passed and the pain of spending up for an Apple product has eased, and since you enjoy your computer and would like to now see it be a bit more powerful than it was when you bought it. But I can see how the poll can be viewed straightforwardly as "do you wish you could buy an expandable MacBook" as some are looking at it.

Honestly, I'm growing less bitter at Apple's focus on unintuitive software, UI's full of light grey text on blinding white backgrounds with no "cues" for what's info vs. actionable, and throwaway computers (my opinions on their products vs. before 2013). And like a devoted husband who's stayed true to an unappreciative wife and tried to make things work out, feelings of wanting to stick around are just going way. Desires of wanting the next great Apple product to replace my MBA one day are just fading, growing a little numb, that's all. Polls like this help me verify I'm not alone in some aspects of my critiques of Apple products. As I'm not alone in certain priorities, it'll be interesting to see Apple's valuation in 5 years...growth like theirs is hard to maintain, especially with a product line-up that's becoming sooooo targeted and more expensive and less time/life-friendly.

Apple's valuation has very little to do with MacBooks. They are a halo product at this point and just a piece in the ecosystem. Their crazy valuation is not because of their hardware. It's because they have found way to monetize user experience, something that very few other tech companies have figured out (just ask Zuckerberg!). What so many hate about Apple's walled garden is exactly what the vast majority of their customers love about it.

If you are happy with your current MacBook, then no reason to buy the latest, If you are not, then doubling the Ram or SSD is not going to fix that. Many, if not most folks upgrade because they want the newest shiniest gadget, not because they need it. I include myself in that group!

 

[stockscalper]

Not just no, but H*** no. MacBooks are already grossly overpriced for the specs you get.

 

[hajime]

How about willing to pay more for the previous gen non-butterfly keyboard? A guy was using a MBP across me on the subway. Even it was very noisy due to the sound of the train, I could still hear the noise coming from his key press. I am going to give Lenovo a chance this time.

 

[Ma2k5]

For me, upgradability isn't the issue, rather it is repairability. If my keyboard, SSD, RAM etc died in the future, I'd like to pay to replace that component and not half the laptop/the whole logic board.

 

[BayouTiger]

How about willing to pay more for the previous gen non-butterfly keyboard? A guy was using a MBP across me on the subway. Even it was very noisy due to the sound of the train, I could still hear the noise coming from his key press. I am going to give Lenovo a chance this time.

The new one is much better. not silent, but a lot better.

 

[Tozovac]

Apple's valuation has very little to do with MacBooks. They are a halo product at this point and just a piece in the ecosystem. Their crazy valuation is not because of their hardware. It's because they have found way to monetize user experience, something that very few other tech companies have figured out (just ask Zuckerberg!). What so many hate about Apple's walled garden is exactly what the vast majority of their customers love about it.

Actually I wasn't speaking of just macbooks, but more Apple's offerings in general. As you mention, Apple's prioritizing the user entertainment experience first and foremost now (and in ways that I don't enjoy) is veering from what drew me in to them around 2005. I valued their focus on solid technology that just worked well together and better than the competition. Solid computers with an OSX that was leaps and bounds better (IMHO) than Windows that played super well with iPods. Then came iPhones and iPads, things were great. iPhones with clickwheels, an OSX that "looked" like an Apple product, early iPhones & iPads with an operating system that just seemed to work on its own and was fun to look at, to boot.

Leaping 8 years past 2010, their focus is gone away from the grossly intuitive and fun/easy to use. Gone are click wheels and intuitive iOS cues. Gone is an OSX that looked unlike Windows. Gone are computers that felt like a real computer company would make. iTunes is a bloated mess to use in OSX and managing my music on an iPhone is cumbersome compared to a click wheel with a headphone port that allowed me to use with all my "caveman" 10+ year old music hardware that's not going away anytime soon unless I dragged a dongle with me to where I was going that day. Now we have fashion-first thin-first hardware with keyboards that aren't fun to use and an iOS that's unintuitive (to me) and sometimes impossible (or just frustrating) to use with all the light grey text on blinding white and with too much "is that a button/clickable or is that not, or ?? Where's the border to know what applies to what? It just does not "just work" any more."

The luster is waning and my desire to whine about it is too. I'm reserved to realize the good times, they are a thing of the past. I'm glad I'm not alone.

If you are happy with your current MacBook, then no reason to buy the latest, If you are not, then doubling the Ram or SSD is not going to fix that. Many, if not most folks upgrade because they want the newest shiniest gadget, not because they need it. I include myself in that group!

It's not that black & white (or grey and white, in Apple-today speak). I'm "happy" with it but I would really be thrilled with being able to upgrade my storage/SSD. Doubling or 8x'ing it would actually make me very happy. And I'm not the type to need the latest, either for myself or for the eyes of others. If I'm in the gross minority then I can see why Apple is why it is. But seeing that some 20-25% in the poll are willing to pay up for what SHOULD be standard, I see I'm not alone amongst those who would like to get value by upping the value to them of their computer rather than trash it and then spend $$$$$ for what should take $ to get about the same enjoyment.

 

[pro24sure]

Actually I wasn't speaking of just macbooks, but more Apple's offerings in general. As you mention, Apple's prioritizing the user experience first and foremost now (and in ways that I don't enjoy) is veering from what drew me in to them around 2005. I valued their focus on solid technology that just worked well together and better than the competition. Solid computers with an OSX that was leaps and bounds better (IMHO) than Windows that played super well with iPods. Then came iPhones and iPads, things were great. iPhones with clickwheels, an OSX that "looked" like an Apple product, early iPhones & iPads with an operating system that just seemed to work on its own and was fun to look at, to boot.

Leaping 8 years past 2010, their focus is gone away from the grossly intuitive and fun/easy to use. Gone are click wheels and intuitive iOS cues. Gone is an OSX that looked unlike Windows. Gone are computers that felt like a real computer company would make. iTunes is a bloated mess to use in OSX and managing my music on an iPhone is cumbersome compared to a click wheel with a headphone port that allowed me to use with all my "caveman" 10+ year old music hardware that's not going away anytime soon unless I dragged a dongle with me to where I was going that day.

The luster is waning and my desire to whine about it is too. I'm reserved to realize the good times, they are a thing of the past. I'm glad I'm not alone.



It's not that black & white (or grey and white, in Apple-today speak). I'm "happy" with it but I would really be thrilled with being able to upgrade my storage/SSD. And I'm not the type to need the latest, either for myself or for the eyes of others. If I'm in the gross minority then I can see why Apple is why it is. But seeing that some 20-25% in the poll are willing to pay up for what SHOULD be standard, I see I'm not alone amongst those who would like to get value by upping the value to them of their computer rather than trash it and then spend $$$$$ for what should take $ to get about the same enjoyment.

It's still solid technology. You just don't like it because it's different. Same thing everyone has said before.

I don't need a headphone jack because I have bluetooth headphones, but when I want to do some editing in Logic Pro, I use my wired ones. I don't need 4 Tb of space in my laptop, ever. But if I do, there are 4 ports that I can use to easily connect a myriad of different hard drives for massive storage, or I can use my home NAS, or cloud storage.

I used to have hundreds of thousands of songs saved externally to play at a moments notice that took up lots of storage space, I don't anymore because I can stream anything anywhere at any time.

Whining about dongles in a wireless world is beginning to get a little ridiculous.

It just sounds like you don't like the changes because you don't understand where the tech future is going, or how to deal with it.

 

[Tozovac]

It's still solid technology. You just don't like it because it's different. Same thing everyone has said before.

Well, you like Apple, dictate how a person should like to use something. That's a problem for folk like me and less so for ones like you. So you are the lucky one.

When I moved from a Palm Treo in 2010 to an iPhone, that was worlds different, and it was great. Saying users don't like something because it's different as if that's a bad thing is just plain silly. It's assuming anyone should like anything new & different. New & different is not always good.

I don't need a headphone jack because I have bluetooth headphones, but when I want to do some editing in Logic Pro, I use my wired ones. I don't need 4 Tb of space in my laptop, ever. But if I do, there are 4 ports that I can use to easily connect a myriad of different hard drives for massive storage, or I can use my home NAS, or cloud storage.

I own a few different rental units, I travel a lot, and I'm a part-time hobbyist musician. I have "ancient" (20 year old) stereo systems in workrooms and basements all over. I use rental cars with 1/8" jack inputs. I have dozens of 1/8 to 1/8 cords that stay put at those locations. I plug into various mixing boards owned by others quite often, where they have hundreds of 1/4" to 1/8" connectors at the ready. When I travel locally or far, I want to be sure I'm packing & watching my wallet, keys, and phone that's often in a chargeable case since I have to charge it often while using it all day. I don't want to have to also tote 1/8"/lightning connectors in my pocket, plain and simple, one that breaks after time from handling and has you lose the ability to be able to charge & channel music into a system simultaneously.

I used to have hundreds of thousands of songs saved externally to play at a moments notice that took up lots of storage space, I don't anymore because I can stream anything anywhere at any time.

That's nice for you. I have thousands of bootleg concert recordings and eastern European music that's not streamable. Since it's Apple's way or the highway, that leaves me out.

Whining about dongles in a wireless world is beginning to get a little ridiculous.

Yup. If what a customer prioritizes is pretty ridiculous to Apple, then I shouldn't take offense from any one person who feels the same.

It just sounds like you don't like the changes because you don't understand where the tech future is going, or how to deal with it.

Yup you're right. A user's preference should be pretty negligible. Shame on me.

 

[Painter2002]

Actually I wasn't speaking of just macbooks, but more Apple's offerings in general. As you mention, Apple's prioritizing the user experience first and foremost now (and in ways that I don't enjoy) is veering from what drew me in to them around 2005. I valued their focus on solid technology that just worked well together and better than the competition. Solid computers with an OSX that was leaps and bounds better (IMHO) than Windows that played super well with iPods. Then came iPhones and iPads, things were great. iPhones with clickwheels, an OSX that "looked" like an Apple product, early iPhones & iPads with an operating system that just seemed to work on its own and was fun to look at, to boot.

Leaping 8 years past 2010, their focus is gone away from the grossly intuitive and fun/easy to use. Gone are click wheels and intuitive iOS cues. Gone is an OSX that looked unlike Windows. Gone are computers that felt like a real computer company would make. iTunes is a bloated mess to use in OSX and managing my music on an iPhone is cumbersome compared to a click wheel with a headphone port that allowed me to use with all my "caveman" 10+ year old music hardware that's not going away anytime soon unless I dragged a dongle with me to where I was going that day. Now we have fashion-first thin-first hardware with keyboards that aren't fun to use and an iOS that's unintuitive (to me) and sometimes impossible (or just frustrating) to use with all the light grey text on blinding white and with too much "is that a button/clickable or is that not, or ?? Where's the border to know what applies to what? It just does not "just work" any more."

Many people do complain about the changes in UI, for example the changes to the UI on the iPhone X, but honestly it isn't fair to compare Apple products of yester-year to those of today.

Computers, and phones were extremely different 8 years ago. We use are computers in different ways than we did 8 years ago, and the devices we use are considerably more complex, which means new UI for new features and that comes with a learning curve. Part of understanding technology is knowing that it never stays the same.

In my honest opinion, I like my Apple products today better than the ones I've had in the years past. Are they perfect, no, but do the improvements outweigh the stuff that Apple has changed or removed, yes. I can use two external monitors natively on my 2017 MacBook Pro, something I couldn't do in 2010. I can transfer 120 GB of data in less than 15 minutes with my USB-C ports and external drives, something that would've taken hours back then. I can bank, play detailed games, get good directions, and still get a full day on one charge with my iPhone X. I can listen to almost any song I want on the whim without having to spend hundreds of dollars on CDs or iTunes Store purchases to get all the music I love.

Sometimes you have to take a look at what we have now and you may just realize how what we have is not all that bad, and that Apple is still a great company worthy of attention.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I am going to give Lenovo a chance this time

That's right where I'll be going if I need to at some point..
Those keyboards are sensational. I just was using one again the other day at Best Buy for a bit.