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Would you pay 25-30% more for your MBA, MBP, or MB if you could upgrade RAM, SSD, Battery, etc?

  • Yes I would in a New York Minute pay up for the option to improve my Mac's performance and lifespan.

  • No I'm perfectly happy paying what I did and for soldered-in RAM & storage.

  • I think MBA/MBP/MB’s should already be expandable, at the same or lower prince!


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Many people do complain about the changes in UI, for example the changes to the UI on the iPhone X, but honestly it isn't fair to compare Apple products of yester-year to those of today.

Computers, and phones were extremely different 8 years ago. We use are computers in different ways than we did 8 years ago, and the devices we use are considerably more complex, which means new UI for new features and that comes with a learning curve. Part of understanding technology is knowing that it never stays the same.

In my honest opinion, I like my Apple products today better than the ones I've had in the years past. Are they perfect, no, but do the improvements outweigh the stuff that Apple has changed or removed, yes. I can use two external monitors natively on my 2017 MacBook Pro, something I couldn't do in 2010. I can transfer 120 GB of data in less than 15 minutes with my USB-C ports and external drives, something that would've taken hours back then. I can bank, play detailed games, get good directions, and still get a full day on one charge with my iPhone X. I can listen to almost any song I want on the whim without having to spend hundreds of dollars on CDs or iTunes Store purchases to get all the music I love.

Sometimes you have to take a look at what we have now and you may just realize how what we have is not all that bad, and that Apple is still a great company worthy of attention.

Nice reply! Again though, for those on the fringes with special needs like myself, I'm left grossly wanting more (or something different), and therefore it's likely just best I move back to PC's with more hardware choices. My music is one-copy only and not streamable, or converted from albums and cassettes from eastern Europe. Not streamable, for example.

And, as you say, the devices are more complex now, it still astounds me that the iOS has become more vague and plain and intuitive in light of these increasing functions. Sure some notice nothing and/or love it. Me, I'm tired of guessing at click or no-click and finding functions under hamburger icons that used to be plain as day on the home screen of the phone or iPad. Again, just not my style but I'm in the minority. Sure I can learn swipes but you know, I sure prefer the secure feeling of my 5S vs. the slipper 6, 7, 8, and X, and I sure prefer a home button which allows a much more secure 1-handed grip and is much quicker than software-induced swipes, especially as my iPhone ages into old age after 3 measly years. (iOS7 bricked my 4, and now iOS11 or the battery state is bricking my 5s...so I strongly value the instantaneous home button more and more as swiping up feels more and more delayed as the months go on).

None of my gripes matter if the given is: Apple does what it think is best for customers, and with few options. Case closed and I need to accept it. Like how you could get a Model T in any color as long as it's black.

Since OSX is looking more faint and windows-like and un-Apple like than ever, and since PC-based laptops have come up so much after Apple's leading the way, it's going to be a less painful transition for me I think after my MBA is just too hard to use soon!
 
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Well, you like Apple, dictate how a person should like to use something. That's a problem for folk like me and less so for ones like you. So you are the lucky one.

When I moved from a Palm Treo in 2010 to an iPhone, that was worlds different, and it was great. Saying users don't like something because it's different as if that's a bad thing is just plain silly. It's assuming anyone should like anything new & different. New & different is not always good.



I own a few different rental units, I travel a lot, and I'm a part-time hobbyist musician. I have "ancient" (20 year old) stereo systems in workrooms and basements all over. I use rental cars with 1/8" jack inputs. I have dozens of 1/8 to 1/8 cords that stay put at those locations. I plug into various mixing boards owned by others quite often, where they have hundreds of 1/4" to 1/8" connectors at the ready. When I travel locally or far, I want to be sure I'm packing & watching my wallet, keys, and phone that's often in a chargeable case since I have to charge it often while using it all day. I don't want to have to also tote 1/8"/lightning connectors in my pocket, plain and simple, one that breaks after time from handling and has you lose the ability to be able to charge & channel music into a system simultaneously.



That's nice for you. I have thousands of bootleg concert recordings and eastern European music that's not streamable. Since it's Apple's way or the highway, that leaves me out.



Yup. It what someone else prioritizes is pretty ridiculous to Apple, then I shouldn't take offense from one person such as you.



Yup you're right. A user's preference should be pretty negligible. Shame on me.


So, in reality, what would your laptop look like?

You can still do all the things you are describing, you only now have to use a different type of adapter, connection, or software to do it.

You do understand that you are describing a computer and ecosystem that you, and only a handful of other people want right?

It sounds like you want a computer, mass-produced, for your specific uses.

Just because I need to use a USB 1.1 Zip drive doesn't mean Apple should make a computer with a Zip drive for me.

You buy a computer, then you buy whatever accessories you need to make that computer work for your needs. If your needs are not met in the computer by default, and you are unwilling to buy the necessary accessories, then buy a different computer.
 
Migosh -- aren't buyers paying enough for MacBook Pros right now?

And you would pay more...?

You're jes' the kinda customer Apple longs for !! ;)

Well, the was somewhat tongue in cheek but rooted in reality!

Yes, Apple products are overpriced IMHO. Their earnings suggest they are making mondo money. But we're paying still, so, hey.

But, given that I want to increase my storage w/o having to pay $1500+ for a new laptop, I sometimes think I would have paid a little more for some flexibility later. In the past I'd often buy more RAM for an aging computer that brought it back to life once the processor felt its age for the time.
 
So, in reality, what would your laptop look like?

My laptop I'd be happy with? Same as my 2014 MBA just with the ability to upgrade SSD and RAM, assuming the internals would support more RAM (I'm not a computer engineer and don't know if asking for the ability to have 16gb of RAM here is like wanting to upgrade to a V12 in a Ford Fiesta).

I like the increased battery life more than higher screen resolution.
I like the flexibility of ports and I love MagSafe.
I like the keyboard and I love the clickable trackpad. I don't' like the feel of force-touch trackpads and non-button buttons on later iPhones.
I like having a headphone jack and use it often on the laptop.

You can still do all the things you are describing, you only now have to use a different type of adapter, connection, or software to do it.

You're right; can do more but needing to buy more and carry around/store more and replace more as they wear out, as Apple cables do.

You do understand that you are describing a computer and ecosystem that you, and only a handful of other people want right?

It sounds like you want a computer, mass-produced, for your specific uses.

How do you know this for certain? :) Wouldn't it take being in the market for a while to know? 40% of the respondents of my silly poll so far would value expandability to have the option to improve their experience before having to buy completely anew.

Just because I need to use a USB 1.1 Zip drive doesn't mean Apple should make a computer with a Zip drive for me.

Now come on. :) Are zip drives as commonplace in the world as radios/stereos/music systems in homes, garages, cars, etc.? Plus, I'm speaking about iPhones here not laptops. Apple hasn't axed those jacks as fast on computers yet.

You buy a computer, then you buy whatever accessories you need to make that computer work for your needs. If your needs are not met in the computer by default, and you are unwilling to buy the necessary accessories, then buy a different computer.

I would if Apple wasn't so myopic in their offerings!
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I have 2TB 970 Evo in my MBA. Just saying.

Well that's great! How much did it cost you?

I wasn't willing or able to prioritize paying more than $1300 all-in in 2014 for my MBA so I defaulted to 128. I'm in a different place now and would love to go to 1TB cost-effectively.
 
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Well that's great! How much did it cost you?

$700 for SSD and $15 for adapter. Just be aware that battery life takes a hit with NVMe third party drives, I'm down to 6 hours from 10-11. You may want to browse though forums to see what kind of battery life people report with various SSD and select one that works best. AT 1TB you'll have much larger selection.
 
My laptop I'd be happy with? Same as my 2014 MBA just with the ability to upgrade SSD and RAM, assuming the internals would support more RAM (I'm not a computer engineer and don't know if asking for the ability to have 16gb of RAM here is like wanting to upgrade to a V12 in a Ford Fiesta).


So you’d be willing to almost double the size and weight of the machine do accomplish this?


I like the increased battery life more than higher screen resolution.

I like the flexibility of ports and I love MagSafe.

I like the keyboard and I love the clickable trackpad. I don't' like the feel of force-touch trackpads and non-button buttons on later iPhones.

I like having a headphone jack and use it often on the laptop.


Only reason there is an increase in battery life is because the machine has been prioritized to save space due to non-upgradeable parts to make more battery room.


You're right; can do more but needing to buy more and carry around/store more and replace more as they wear out, as Apple cables do.



Don’t buy the Apple cables, buy a higher-quality brand.


How do you know this for certain?
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Wouldn't it take being in the market for a while to know? 40% of the respondents of my silly poll so far would value expandability to have the option to improve their experience before having to buy completely anew.


I know for certain that, as a whole, more users want ‘thin and light’ over ‘bulky but upgradeable’. This comes from my experience in the IT service industry and a number of polls at my previous and current companies.


Additionally, “being in the market for a while”…… There have not been new, user-upgradeable Apple laptops in….years…


Now come on.
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Are zip drives as commonplace in the world as radios/stereos/music systems in homes, garages, cars, etc.? Plus, I'm speaking about iPhones here not laptops. Apple hasn't axed those jacks as fast on computers yet.


No they’re not, they are just as relevant to your comment though. Since you’re brining up stereos; I listen to audio in my car, home, and outside every day. Guess how many times I have ever had to use an adapter or dongle to do so?


Never, because my stereo, car, and all other listening devices now have wireless technology built-in.


So what's you opinion on the removal of Optical Drives? I want to watch bootleg 4k Blu-Rays, should Apple slap a 4k Blu-Ray drive in the next laptop for people that want it?

I want to upgrade the processor down the line, and swap the cooling out for water cooling, think they should add those options too? I want a 1080p webcam, why can't I buy an Apple laptop with that option?
 
So what's you opinion on the removal of Optical Drives? I want to watch bootleg 4k Blu-Rays, should Apple slap a 4k Blu-Ray drive in the next laptop for people that want it?

I want to upgrade the processor down the line, and swap the cooling out for water cooling, think they should add those options too? I want a 1080p webcam, why can't I buy an Apple laptop with that option?

Completely fine with removal of optical drives. It's obvious you can't have it all, but with Apple's incessant direction of constantly trying to go thinner each year, and then remove or wildly transform some function/feature/button/port each year (including things such as...tactile keyboard travel), it should be also obvious that it can be possible to start crossing a line just for the sake of line-crossing.

Why not ask me if I'd like my MBA to make coffee too?

And if you'd like those things, then I wish Apple would make something more than just thin-as-possible for customers like you!
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$700 for SSD and $15 for adapter. Just be aware that battery life takes a hit with NVMe third party drives, I'm down to 6 hours from 10-11. You may want to browse though forums to see what kind of battery life people report with various SSD and select one that works best. AT 1TB you'll have much larger selection.

Aha. Big thanks! I value the 9+ hours I still get. Love my MBA still (and with Mavericks, which looks like how Apple OSX should look like IMHO)!
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So you’d be willing to almost double the size and weight of the machine do accomplish this?

Double the size? As in thickness? and double the weight just for a bit more ease of swapping out 2-3 key things?
 
I voted yeah, but should be same price

25% increase? might as well get the soldered in upgrades at that price.

that negates the upgradeability of it all, quite a bit, hiking the price. Mac prices are already in the orbit

It would be cool to 'breathe' new life in my 2016 nTB with 16GB ram which I don't need, or a 512/1tb which I also don't need but would be nice.

still HDD to SSD and something like 4 to 8 and 2 to 4 have been the biggest experiential leaps imo of all time
 
Double the size? As in thickness? and double the weight just for a bit more ease of swapping out 2-3 key things?

Of the MBA? Absolutely. You don't get to keep the same weight, size, battery life AND get changeable ram, hard drive +. That's essentially asking for technology and a configuration that has yet to exist in this market. And do you realize how much speed you'll lose without those components being built into the system?

Take a look at the Logic Boards. I don't think you understand what you're asking for and how much of a difference the user-upgradeable vs built-in chips make within relation to size and weight.\

I'll do you one better.... Take a look at the iFixit breakdown of the newest Macbook Pro. Compare that to the size and weight of your MBA, and you tell me where they have the room and weight overhead to throw in your user-upgrade options without sacrificing a massive amount of space?

They would have to cut out 1/3 of the battery just to add room for an m.2 SSD, then even more space to accommodate any DDR4 ram slots. May be able to get a single slot in there but it would be maxed at 32 gb for a single dimm.

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Touch+Bar+2018+Teardown/111384

I do just want to make a point here and say that I agree that non-user-upgradeable components is something that I DO NOT like. But we have reached the point that more of the market cares about the size and weight of their portable machine more than they care about future upgrades. Laptops are lasting longer now than they ever have and the spec options are reaching the point where future-proofing is readily available in the model you can buy now; albeit for a premium.
 
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While I tend to move on too quickly for upgrading internals to make sense, I do feel that if apple’s going to talk the talk on sustainability the biggest thing they could possibly do is to facilitate people keeping machines longer through upgradability. In that way the unibody designs were golden - they were tanks first off so the fear of breaking them was nonexistent, consumable parts like the battery were not only replacable but designed to be, and you could add more RAM a new HDD or SSD as you went along.
 
Of the MBA? Absolutely. You don't get to keep the same weight, size, battery life AND get changeable ram, hard drive +. That's essentially asking for technology and a configuration that has yet to exist in this market. And do you realize how much speed you'll lose without those components being built into the system?

Take a look at the Logic Boards. I don't think you understand what you're asking for and how much of a difference the user-upgradeable vs built-in chips make within relation to size and weight.\

As for the speed trade-offs - I'm not aware enough to know what I'd lose with plug-in vs. integrated.

But as for size - like I mentioned initially, I'd gladly accept a few mm's and weight if I could more easily & cheaply upgrade typical items I used to upgrade in PC's once their age needed helping vs. the OS or apps.

I'll do you one better.... Take a look at the iFixit breakdown of the newest Macbook Pro. Compare that to the size and weight of your MBA, and you tell me where they have the room and weight overhead to throw in your user-upgrade options without sacrificing a massive amount of space?

They would have to cut out 1/3 of the battery just to add room for an m.2 SSD, then even more space to accommodate any DDR4 ram slots. May be able to get a single slot in there but it would be maxed at 32 gb for a single dimm.

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Touch+Bar+2018+Teardown/111384

Now, the MBP I think has gotten a bit carried away with this thinner-than-last-year crap. That's a problem IMHO. Thinner at the expense of keyboard feel, keyboard reliability, ports battery life, other hardware, etc.


I do just want to make a point here and say that I agree that non-user-upgradeable components is something that I DO NOT like. But we have reached the point that more of the market cares about the size and weight of their portable machine more than they care about future upgrades. Laptops are lasting longer now than they ever have and the spec options are reaching the point where future-proofing is readily available in the model you can buy now; albeit for a premium.[/QUOTE]

You know, if Jony Ive were such the genius designer and leader he's made out to be, and he didn't prioritize just making things more white & grey & thin first and foremost, don't you think perhaps he could lead a team to innovate some new architectures that could still be pretty darn thin and light yet expandable at least in the realm of RAM and storage or other serviceability or sustainability-friendly ways? One can argue the vast majority don't need that or aren't missing that. Or are the vast majority resigned to work within what Apple gives them and oblivious to what they're missing.

Most say Apple is a trillion dollar company how is it I think they are doing so wrong? I think: What is Apple not doing that could make them better and richer and their customers even more happy.
 
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I'm "happy" with it but I would really be thrilled with being able to upgrade my storage/SSD.

You are just a checkbook away from happiness: https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ssd/owc/macbook-air/2013-2014-2015

This may even fit your economic proposition::
- Your MBA: $1,000
- SSD Upgradeable adder: ($250) - which you didn't actually pay, so we'll call this a credit.
- 1TB SSD: $500, less the $250 credit.

There - a big upgrade for an affordable price.
 
I'd gladly accept a few mm's and weight if I could more easily & cheaply upgrade typical items I used to upgrade in PC's once their age needed helping vs. the OS or apps.
Most say Apple is a trillion dollar company how is it I think they are doing so wrong? I think: What is Apple not doing that could make them better and richer and their customers even more happy.

These two quotes back to back are contradictory.

If Apple sells you a laptop in 2018 that you can upgrade in 2022, with third-party hardware, they then can't sell you the new machine in 2022.

I have a Ford, the car came with a built-in GPS system. It's a Ford GPS system and needs a map update. If I could update the maps myself I absolutely would. But then Ford couldn't charge me $150 for a map update that I get for free by using Google Maps on my phone.

Why won't they make an expandable machine? Because they don't have to. They make more profit selling machines that use proprietary hardware and are non-expandable because it helps their bottom line.

Apple has always been the first to endorse a closed ecosystem and that sentiment is now moving to their hardware even more so than their software.
 
FWIW for this silly poll, it's almost up to 50/50 for upgradeable vs. soldered in.

Pretty interesting...
 
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These two quotes back to back are contradictory.

If Apple sells you a laptop in 2018 that you can upgrade in 2022, with third-party hardware, they then can't sell you the new machine in 2022.

I have a Ford, the car came with a built-in GPS system. It's a Ford GPS system and needs a map update. If I could update the maps myself I absolutely would. But then Ford couldn't charge me $150 for a map update that I get for free by using Google Maps on my phone.

Why won't they make an expandable machine? Because they don't have to. They make more profit selling machines that use proprietary hardware and are non-expandable because it helps their bottom line.

Apple has always been the first to endorse a closed ecosystem and that sentiment is now moving to their hardware even more so than their software.


Let me add in a question here - Let's say you WERE able to upgrade your machine BUT, ONLY from Apple certified proprietary upgrades, that are priced, well, the way Apple prices things. Would you still want the machine? Knowing you would still have to pay $2k for that 4 tb drive?
 
These two quotes back to back are contradictory.

If Apple sells you a laptop in 2018 that you can upgrade in 2022, with third-party hardware, they then can't sell you the new machine in 2022.

If Apple sold hardware now that I was as thrilled over in 2005-2012, I'd have upgraded my 5S long ago, if not bought a more expensive version of my MBA. I hate their iOS now, I dislike their thinness-at-all-costs war-on-ports strategy, so I've slowed the pace of my purchases. I dislike managing music on a touch surface and would gladly pay $250 for a large-capacity click-wheel iPod. So the better the products, the more people buy IMHO.
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Let me add in a question here - Let's say you WERE able to upgrade your machine BUT, ONLY from Apple certified proprietary upgrades, that are priced, well, the way Apple prices things. Would you still want the machine? Knowing you would still have to pay $2k for that 4 tb drive?

Wouldn't more volume drive the price down some?

But $2k for 4tb? No I'd pass.

$300 for 512gb or more? Now you're getting warmer.
 
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It doesn't cost Apple more to make it upgradeable (except in lost RAM and SSD sales).
I'm curious as to your thinking on this.
From a cost perspective, there are certainly way fewer parts involved in assembling a logic board that has no upgradeable components. Fewer parts (cable, RAM and SSD sockets, screw to hold in drive). Less mechanical assembly. In theory, reliability should improve as the connection is "better." Looking at the ifixit teardown of a 13-MBP, the logic board is an engineering and manufacturing marvel, at least in my eyes. But totally non-upgradeable.
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$300 for 512gb or more? Now you're getting warmer.
How's $279 for a 480GB?

No, I don't have any affiliation with them. I have used their SSDs to upgrade my family's MBAs.
 
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If Apple sold hardware now that I was as thrilled over in 2005-2012, I'd have upgraded my 5S long ago, if not bought a more expensive version of my MBA. I hate their iOS now, I dislike their thinness-at-all-costs war-on-ports strategy, so I've slowed the pace of my purchases. I dislike managing music on a touch surface and would gladly pay $250 for a large-capacity click-wheel iPod. So the better the products, the more people buy IMHO.
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Wouldn't more volume drive the price down some?

But $2k for 4tb? No I'd pass.

$300 for 512gb or more? Now you're getting warmer.

My point was that you want an Apple machine that you can later upgrade with non-Apple hardware because non-Apple hardware is cheaper. Essentially you want them to sell you something that will negatively impact their ability to sell you more. That has never been Apple's way of doing things.

If Apple can get away with selling you something, knowing good and well that you will need to buy a new version of that something in the short term future, and that you cannot upgrade it, they absolutely will!

It's a great business model and generates good profits.

Literally the thinking behind other companies. Ever had a Sony Camera, PSP, or e-Device? They used proprietary cards for storage instead of SD because they could.

Plugs and adapters galore do this as well. They add a bit of plastic to an outer casing so you can only use their brand of over-priced cable.

The Apple computers of the past were upgradeable because all computers were, that's how they were manufactured and made; with standard connections and hardware. That is no longer the case and it isn't just Apple doing it.
 
How's $279 for a 480GB?

No, I don't have any affiliation with them. I have used their SSDs to upgrade my family's MBAs.

Thanks, a definite option. From what I've read in the past, heat was a concern, which made me take pause as an engineer - what could the long term effects be on reliability of my machine, etc. Apple-planned upgradeability would (I'd think) bet better prepared for drop-in-ability. That price seems lower than I recall and definitely makes me go Hmmmmmmmmm and re-rhinking options like that. Plus you can re-use your existing removed memory.
 
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I would rather they didn't raise the price. If they can make it as thin and light, sure, it would be great. If I need to carry a two-inch thicker MacBook Pro so I can upgrade it like once or twice, I'd rather it was thin and all soldered.
 
Why are we bombarding this thread with ”what ifs”?
There are other people in need of wifi, airdrop and icloud help that should get more attentin than this, especially since we cant do anything about what apple produces.

Could those important user issues just be taboo here on macrumors?
 
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