Would you return this 13" rMBP?

[thadoggfather]

got it delivered almost two weeks ago (thursday before last) and have two days left effectively to decide whether to keep or play the swap game.

already sold my air for $400 and this machine, though uniform and in certain settings not seemingly warm/yellow, etc. can be warm/yellow upon further scrutiny.

If I add +200 to the white point (~6700 over 6500 stock) and adjust colors with "expert" settings using that apple logo thing and adjustment sliders, it looks quite nice and the colors has lovely pop and saturation. 2.2 gamma as well.

Without it, a little too warm for my tastes (especially coming from my color profiles 6+, but even without color profiles, I lucked out like crazy on this iphone I've seen some dull iPhone screens that aren't correctable) and lacking color saturation, almost bright to the point of blowout.

no image retention either and a samsung 256gb ssd.

what would you do? i'm just so concerned about getting one thats way more problematic knowing my luck, and calibrated winging it, this looks quite quite nice. perhaps/maybe OCD just kicking in

 

[diesel]

Would you return this 13" rMBP?

If it looks "quite" nice as you put it after you've calibrated the display I'm not sure what the issue is. Keep it, unless of course your ocd-ness can't be held in check, then go ahead and play the display lottery game. Only you can decide.

 

[scaredpoet]

Second the post above. the whole point of calibration is to get the screen to display colors to your liking. If after calibration your screen is working fine, and no other issues exist, why even consider returning or exchanging? I don't see a problem here.

Rare is the display that will be perfectly profiled to your preference right out of the box. If that's your expectation, you're going to be doing a lot of exchanging.

 

[ZBoater]

...no image retention either and a samsung 256gb ssd...

You've got the golden unicorn of MacBooks.

It's a keeper for sure!

 

[thadoggfather]

You've got the golden unicorn of MacBooks.

It's a keeper for sure!

The ocd is strong with this one, especially after all those monstrously sized rMBP yellowing threads and flipping back to 'color lcd' generic profile and being jarred by the washed out ness.


Appreciate it people! Just checking

 

[thekb]

Are you a professional photographer who requires perfectly calibrated screens? If not, suppress the crazy and keep it. You'll get used to it.

 

[thadoggfather]

Hobbyist photographer and OCD'er more importantly

I'll try to remember the set it and forget motto

 

[thadoggfather]

so tomorrow is the last day i have to return (14th day, exactly 2 weeks from when it got delivered) and I'm just off put by when I go between my iphone and computer back and forth.

this is what it looks like calibrated (computer) and white point cranked up a bit, vs *uncalibrated* 6+ and rMini.

though I already sold my air (dang, if i were to swap it would be nice but oh well) but i dont need my computer right away and i have a work comp i could use if i have to.

what would you do?

also not sure why the right looks so bad and yellow, its not its exacerbated by the photos but the tint is accurate.

 

[diesel]

Definitely looks Warner than the phone. By the way what display do you have?

 

[thadoggfather]

cant tell from iphone/ipad (neither exhibit IR though) or 13" rMBP aside from "A020" on that display line which might not indicate anything.

I think the terminal command on 15" was the only way to truly tell

 

[diesel]

Would you return this 13" rMBP?

You have the 2014 right? I think I read that alot of replacement displays were using the A020. If you can return why not get the new 2015 rMBP?

 

[thadoggfather]

You have the 2014 right? I think I read that alot of replacement displays were using the A020. If you can return why not get the new 2015 rMBP?

i didnt care for force click at the store and yosemite only is meh to me.

this is in my experience

 

[mgipe]

The photos of the screens that you posted look good. Apple's phones and iPads are usually very blue, so I would expect to see a properly adjusted Mac to look much warmer.

Humans are terrible at discerning correct color since our brains are wired to compensate for scenes illuminated by different light. The sunlight at mid-day has a very different color than that at the end of the day, but we can still correctly identify the colors in a scene. We automatically shift the color range in our head. It makes us terribly incompetent as monitor calibrators.

I highly recommend you spend a few bucks to buy a proper monitor calibrator. (Colormunki or Spyder). You will be amazed at how nice things look on your Mac after proper calibration, and by comparison, your iPhone and iPad will look strangely bluish.

 

[thadoggfather]

The photos of the screens that you posted look good. Apple's phones and iPads are usually very blue, so I would expect to see a properly adjusted Mac to look much warmer.

Humans are terrible at discerning correct color since our brains are wired to compensate for scenes illuminated by different light. The sunlight at mid-day has a very different color than that at the end of the day, but we can still correctly identify the colors in a scene. We automatically shift the color range in our head. It makes us terribly incompetent as monitor calibrators.

I highly recommend you spend a few bucks to buy a proper monitor calibrator. (Colormunki or Spyder). You will be amazed at how nice things look on your Mac after proper calibration, and by comparison, your iPhone and iPad will look strangely bluish.

But I don't understand, white point has already been adjusted and its still warm like that.

man im so torn what to do and don't want to end up in swap game hell here.

 

[thadoggfather]

You have the 2014 right? I think I read that alot of replacement displays were using the A020. If you can return why not get the new 2015 rMBP?

Why do you think this is? (in re: to A020)

EDIT: dang didn't mean to create another post, shoulda edited other one. mods feel free to merge.

 

[Samuelsan2001]

If you aren't happy

Why do you think this is? (in re: to A020)

EDIT: dang didn't mean to create another post, shoulda edited other one. mods feel free to merge.

Exchange it for another and check it in the shop before you leave...

 

[thekev]

The photos of the screens that you posted look good. Apple's phones and iPads are usually very blue, so I would expect to see a properly adjusted Mac to look much warmer.

Humans are terrible at discerning correct color since our brains are wired to compensate for scenes illuminated by different light. The sunlight at mid-day has a very different color than that at the end of the day, but we can still correctly identify the colors in a scene. We automatically shift the color range in our head. It makes us terribly incompetent as monitor calibrators.

I highly recommend you spend a few bucks to buy a proper monitor calibrator. (Colormunki or Spyder). You will be amazed at how nice things look on your Mac after proper calibration, and by comparison, your iPhone and iPad will look strangely bluish.

That's true, but it's not the reason for this issue with "calibration". Basically you don't personally write profile tags or their tables yourself. You rely on the utility to write new profile components based on a very rudimentary set of adjustments. Tools such as Spyder and Colormunki take hardware readings, but their software may compute things in an entirely different manner from what is used in the colorsync utility. The issue about human vision is a very very small part of it.

so tomorrow is the last day i have to return (14th day, exactly 2 weeks from when it got delivered) and I'm just off put by when I go between my iphone and computer back and forth.

this is what it looks like calibrated (computer) and white point cranked up a bit, vs *uncalibrated* 6+ and rMini.

though I already sold my air (dang, if i were to swap it would be nice but oh well) but i dont need my computer right away and i have a work comp i could use if i have to.

what would you do?

also not sure why the right looks so bad and yellow, its not its exacerbated by the photos but the tint is accurate.

These things don't really have the capacity for calibration, especially not in any meaningful way. You should view both as uncalibrated, because one isn't in any meaningful way compared to the other. That utility just makes some very awkward profile tweaks and nothing more. I can see how it would be annoying to go between the two. If something bothers you that much, I would take it back if possible.

 

[LMD75]

I have been though all of the LG A018 and Samsung A020 shenanigans and my advice is that as you have paid alot of money for this and you are not 100% happy then return it as it will only p#ss you off.

In my personal experience the best displays found on the shop floors are always A018 LG panels and the A020 Samsung panels are hit or miss.

They normally have an uneven tint such as being yellow on the left hand side and cooler on the right and I have even had one with a pinkish tint as well as a pink glow to the Apple logo on the lid.

I have also had a warm looking Samsung panel like yours but atleast it was uniform. However it never looked as good as an out of the box A018 panel even when the white point was increased.

The 2015 13" models have different panel numbers so maybe they are better now.

 

[diesel]

I think others have mentioned that apple floor models usually had the A018 display. My previous mid 2014 13" rMBP was a A018 and the display had no issues that I could discern.

Back to OP, if you're not happy with the display but do not want to replace your machine with the new 2015 version then I'm not really sure what recourse you have.

 

[arcite]

Yea, unless there is some weird yellowing, banding, lots of dead pixels ect.... there isn't anything wrong with it, its just you.

Calibrate it, read through Adobe colour calibration tutorials and learn about colour. Every human perceives colour differently, and whether you like your monitor 'cooler' or 'warmer' is personal preference. There is no right or wrong.

 

[thadoggfather]

I think others have mentioned that apple floor models usually had the A018 display. My previous mid 2014 13" rMBP was a A018 and the display had no issues that I could discern.

Back to OP, if you're not happy with the display but do not want to replace your machine with the new 2015 version then I'm not really sure what recourse you have.

Could try another refurb this is the route I'm going

 

[Hieveryone]

so tomorrow is the last day i have to return (14th day, exactly 2 weeks from when it got delivered) and I'm just off put by when I go between my iphone and computer back and forth.

this is what it looks like calibrated (computer) and white point cranked up a bit, vs *uncalibrated* 6+ and rMini.

though I already sold my air (dang, if i were to swap it would be nice but oh well) but i dont need my computer right away and i have a work comp i could use if i have to.

what would you do?

also not sure why the right looks so bad and yellow, its not its exacerbated by the photos but the tint is accurate.
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From your OP, I would have said keep it because you seemed happy.

But after seeing this pic, if it was me, I'd return it ASAP. It's WAY WAY WAY too warm for my taste.

I had to return several MacBooks before I got a screen I liked.

 

[thekev]

Could try another refurb this is the route I'm going

It's probably what I would do. People seem to complain about as much about new units. I just wouldn't convince yourself to stick with something if you are unsatisfied with it.

The 2015 13" models have different panel numbers so maybe they are better now.

That is an unfounded hope. If you look back at previous threads, these comments come up frequently across macbook pro generations. It is going to be noticeably warmer than a cmbp or macbook air. That is to be expected, as those were too cold. I say that confidently because most web content is prepared with a D65 light source in mind. This relates to the brightest white that can be produced. The cmbp and airs were significantly colder in appearance. I think mine measured around 8000K rather than close to 6500K. There are some limitations in the measurement software and colorimeters, but it is definitely colder. Content is also definitely not prepared for that temperature, even if the difference isn't too bad. What I'm describing though is the white point. It's possible that the greys don't track well on some of these units. If that is the case the only thing you can do is swap them, because there's no practical way to fix a significant deviation in the greys.

 

[thadoggfather]

hopefully the 2nd one is alright and IR free (like previous) but also more pristine looking screen.

I dunno how many times I should try before giving up but I dont really want a modern MBA, my 2011 was fine (and now sold) though the battery was lacking and power and fans kicking up easily. Luckily, buying from online its really easy to return the product without getting genius bar kick back.

I don't really want a windows machine either but xps 13 2015 (13" in 11" body? saw one in the flesh recently and didn't get a hands on but it was impressive especially for a dell imo) and Lenovo's seem like the only ones worth considering. Still, I like mavericks and the OS X package for personal use.

I already have a windows laptop for work (HP) and thats all it will be for.

 

[diesel]

hopefully the 2nd one is alright and IR free.

I dunno how many times I should try before giving up but I dont really want a modern MBA, my 2011 was fine (and now sold) though the battery was lacking and power and fans kicking up easily. Luckily, buying from online its really easy to return the product without getting genius bar kick back.

I don't really want a windows machine either but xps 13 2015 (13" in 11" body? saw one in the flesh recently and didn't get a hands on but it was impressive especially for a dell imo) and Lenovo's seem like the only ones worth considering. Still, I like mavericks and the OS X package for personal use.

I already have a windows laptop for work (HP) and thats all it will be for.

I was in a microsoft store recently and looked at the new 2015 xps 13 (i still have a dell xps m1330 from around 2008 that still runs.......barely because of all the bloat that i've installed over the years). The new 2015 xps is very "portable" though i personally like laptops that aren't too big and not too small......i like to feel some "substance" to the machine and not feel like it's too fragile but still be very portable. The xps 13 felt too small and fragile for my liking. Just like i feel the macbook air is a bit too small and fragile feeling for me as well. However, from a spec perspective the xps 13 is very nice.