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Wouldn't it be funny...if all these iPhone leaks weren't for real after all?
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seriously, how can they claim monetary loss due to their own setup? that would be a HUGE scandal. that's called FRAUD. if it was proven that they had a different design and INTENTIONALLY released a FAKE phone then filed a police report claiming a loss? come on guys....i thought it was an intentional leak of the REAL phone at the beginning, but once the police report came out i was convinced it's the real phone and a real unpredicted leak.
Here's an experiment for you: get a bike, take it to a busy area of your choosing, and wait and see how long it takes to get stolen. Leaving a bike out on the street unchained is stupid, but not illegal. Whoever comes and steals the bike - even if it was meant to be stolen - is still stealing, and is therefore breaking the law.
The legal repercussions, monetary losses etc... Would not be worth it for Apple to pull a stunt like this. This sounds like a cool story, but it doesn't make sense for a huge corporation like Apple to do.
I can see on the other hand Apple releasing a phone that is different than the one we have all seen, though not likely.
I remember a matte case photo coming out with the right model number on it (by right I mean same number that eventually ended up on the 3GS) just before the 3G release. Same thing could happen here as I'm sure Apple doesn't have a single "prototype" in which Apple put all their eggs in one basket. We shall see though.
I can see on the other hand Apple releasing a phone that is different than the one we have all seen, though not likely.
I remember a matte case photo coming out with the right model number on it (by right I mean same number that eventually ended up on the 3GS) just before the 3G
yes but this is different. u can only get reimbursed for the amount of the bike. apple isn't asking for that. they're claiming damages to all 3GS sales and if it was proven that they planted a "fake" design only to release a different design a month later and claimed losses then it's illegal on apple's part. you can't stop your own sales and then blame someone else when you did it to yourself. lol
That could very well be....
I think it would be very deserving.....
On the other hand, Apples bubble being burst, for it's attempt at secrecy, is also deserving....
I think it would be very deserving.....
On the other hand, Apples bubble being burst, for it's attempt at secrecy, is also deserving....
Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it dumb. Thinking that it does is not only dumb - it's downright arrogant.
You really need to get over yourself. Belittling other people's ideas just because you disagree with them demonstrates a clear lack of self-confidence. There's word for what you're doing: bullying. And like all bullies, deep down you're just a sad, insecure little person trying to feel better about themselves by exerting dominance over others.
I suggest you get up out of your chair, and go and take a good long hard look at yourself in the mirror. Because you seriously need to grow up.
It's not a false police report. It's still stolen property. Duh.
Dumb.
And it's still a felony to intentionally engineer a theft and falsely report it as such. DUH!
ENTIRE POST = EPIC FAIL
This is not engineering a theft. This is leaving something lying around. And besides, even if there was some kind of legal technicality, it would never stand up in court - there's no way the prosecution could prove it beyond any reasonable doubt.
Somehow I get the feeling everything I said about bbplayer applies to you, too. Troubling.
What's troubling is that you insist on continuing with this outlandish theory despite all of the objections everyone has raised. Apparently logic doesn't have a place in your world.
Where did he say he didn't like the final design? He was just saying, "What if...?"
No it's not.
If they left it there with the INTENTION of someone taking it (which, in your scenario, would be very easy to prove) then it's not stolen. Gizmodo's lawyers would have no trouble making that case.
(If I hand you the keys to my car in public and walk away, then it'd be really hard for me to then come back and claim you stole my car.)
So then Apple would get in very, very serious trouble for filing a false police report as part of a publicity stunt.
There's no way that "get in trouble with the law just to shock some internet nerds" is a plan Apple is going to be pulling off.
EDIT: And I see you already AGREE that it's not theft:
So you're actually arguing against yourself at this point. If it is "just leaving something lying around" then Apple filed a false police report already.
I'm not insisting on anything. I'm simply saying this is possible. Improbable? Maybe. Impossible? Definitely not. I'm not putting this out there because I believe it to be true. I'm putting this out there because it's a deliciously intriguing and enticingly conspiratorial thought.
And even if I did believe this proposition to be true, I am entitled to my opinion, regardless of how misguided it may or may not be. And no one - not even you, your Worshipfulness - has the right to take that away from me.
It's still Apple's iPhone - it was afterall a phone. It just wasn't the final version(assuming this fantasy story) So, a police report is still legit. It's their property.
Even if it was hard to prove, Apple's legal dept and any manager worth a crap would see the liability implications and stop a stupid idea like that long before it actually happened.
The point is that Apple has a legal obligation to its shareholders not to waste money in that way. Wasting tens of millions of dollars designing and putting into production a fully-functional iPhone model without any intention ever of selling it or any hope of recouping the expenditure would be a gross violation of their fiduciary responsibility. So would intentionally doing something that would harm sales of the iPhone 3G and 3GS in the current quarter. Publicly-traded companies can't just throw money around on a whim, however great their market cap is.
Most English-language professinals will tell you that it's ok to use the word "Impossible" to describe something with a 0.005% chance.
I know that's technically "Improbable" and not "Impossible," but most of us are just going to use "Impossible" in that case because it's so much easier to be understood.
But the police report doesn't just say "iPhone gone" and nothing else.
It says that the phone was taken without Apple's knowledge or approval.
In the O.P.'s scenario it WAS taken with their approval. They took it to the bar for that exact reason, according to him.
So that'd be the false part of the report. Not the "it was an iPhone" part.
This.
Nothing was handed to anybody. Intentionally taking something without the expressed permission of the owner is theft. There's no two ways about it.
Either way, accusing someone of intentionally leaving something lying around with no hard proof will not stand up in a court of law.
Prosecutor: You deliberately left it there to be stolen.
Gray: No, I didn't.
Prosecutor: Yes, you did.
AppleLawer: Objection your Honour. The prosecution has no proof to back up these defamatory accusations.
Judge: Sustained. Does the prosecution have any proof to back up its claims?
Prosecutor: No your Honour.
Judge: Then GTFO my courtroom!
Just like Law & Order
Oh, and one more thing: if it's illegal to set someone up to willingly commit a criminal act, then that would make police stings illegal. Police sting operations are not illegal. So this would not be illegal, either.
Have fun
So I suppose all those secret R&D projects that will never make it to market are also a waste of money?
In my scenario, it was not taken with Apple's approval...rather, it was planted in the hope it would be stolen. This is not the same as going up to the person who stole it and telling them they could have it.
Either way, accusing someone of intentionally leaving something lying around with no hard proof will not stand up in a court of law.
Prosecutor: You deliberately left it there to be stolen.
Gray: No, I didn't.
Prosecutor: Yes, you did.
AppleLawer: Objection your Honour. The prosecution has no proof to back up these defamatory accusations.
Judge: Sustained. Does the prosecution have any proof to back up its claims?
Prosecutor: No your Honour.
Judge: Then GTFO my courtroom!
Just like Law & Order
Ok, so your plan involves Apple going to an employee and telling them to perjur themselves in court and then hoping like hell that the employee not only agrees to break the law for his employer, but doesn't report them for even asking.
I'm sorry, but the more you explain it the less likely this plan seems.
So according to your logic it would not be fraud to park your car in a high-theft area with the hope of getting it stolen so you can claim the insurance? Give it a try and enjoy your prison sentence.
We aren't saying that the thief wouldn't be guilty of the theft in this case; just that Apple would also be guilty of the crimes of fraud and filing a false police report.
Keep Reaching, The stars are close
Apple did not plan this, they did not give a prototype iPhone to the media to throw us off.
People need to face it that this go around Apples security and secrecy was compromised. The leaked phone is what we will see in 11 days.
Apple did not plan this, they did not give a prototype iPhone to the media to throw us off.
People need to face it that this go around Apples security and secrecy was compromised. The leaked phone is what we will see in 11 days.