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Which fact? Apple's 100M listings or Google's 80M? I have no idea, but I would be kind of shocked and impressed if Apple had more listings than Google...




Oh please. Apple would/could never block sites in safari... Let's be realistic.

In fact, I'll eat my hat if Google hasn't released a Maps app on the app store by the end of the year. I'll be surprised if Google doesn't have one ready by the launch of iOS 6.

The Google Latitude app is already forced to use Apple maps.

You better get a tasty hat. ;)
 

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The Google Latitude app is already forced to use Apple maps.

You better get a tasty hat. ;)

well of course google latitude is using apple maps. That's because it was coded to use "the default maps app". In iOS 1 to iOS 5 that was google maps. That's what most apps do because it is easiest, but you could create your own maps if you wanted. Now in iOS 6, apple maps is the default.

Google will still be able to release their own maps app. Just like every other navigation app on the iPhone.
 
well of course google latitude is using apple maps. That's because it was coded to use "the default maps app". In iOS 1 to iOS 5 that was google maps. That's what most apps do because it is easiest, but you could create your own maps if you wanted. Now in iOS 6, apple maps is the default.

Google will still be able to release their own maps app. Just like every other navigation app on the iPhone.

Ok, fair point.

I personally won't bother downloading a Google maps app.
 
Google will still be able to release their own maps app. Just like every other navigation app on the iPhone.
Let's hope so.

I'm sure google will write one (perhaps by modifying google earth). However, it's still an open question as to whether or not Apple will allow it. I think they will, but it's not a certainty. Just because other nav apps exist doesn't mean that Apple will allow google's app.
 
Let's hope so.

I'm sure google will write one (perhaps by modifying google earth). However, it's still an open question as to whether or not Apple will allow it. I think they will, but it's not a certainty. Just because other nav apps exist doesn't mean that Apple will allow google's app.

And if it does get approved, how many features will be missing from the android equivalent?
 
Let's hope so.

I'm sure google will write one (perhaps by modifying google earth). However, it's still an open question as to whether or not Apple will allow it. I think they will, but it's not a certainty. Just because other nav apps exist doesn't mean that Apple will allow google's app.

Apple has gotten far more lenient over the past couple years for approving apps. When was the last time you heard a big story about Apple not allowing an app for some reason? I used to hear about those all the time back in 2010.

All of google's other services are on the iPhone/iPad... I can't think of any reason why Apple could reject google maps, and I would LOVE to see the reaction if they did. That would cause more bad publicity and lawsuits than Apple could handle.

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And if it does get approved, how many features will be missing from the android equivalent?

Probably none.

I don't think you understand how Google makes money. They don't care if people use iOS or android. Google doesn't make any money from android. What they want you to use is their services. They want to get all the iOS users back on Google Maps.

This is why I am expecting A google maps app the day iOS 6 drops (assuming Apple doesn't take their sweet time during the approval process, which is likely). They know a lot of people will miss the old google maps and will want it back. So Google will want to be there to provide that for them before they become used to Apple maps. That being said, google maps 1.0 may not be fully featured just because google wants to get something out quickly. But over time it will certainly have feature parity with android

The only reason why the old Google Maps didn't get updated was because Apple didn't update it... Probably because they were building their own maps so why continue to build up the competitions product...
 
Apple has gotten far more lenient over the past couple years for approving apps. When was the last time you heard a big story about Apple not allowing an app for some reason? I used to hear about those all the time back in 2010.

There were a few, recently. Unfortunately, I don't remember the details, and I can't find the articles. :(

I don't think you understand how Google makes money. They don't care if people use iOS or android. Google doesn't make any money from android. What they want you to use is their services. They want to get all the iOS users back on Google Maps.
While that's true, their track history with their google voice and gmail apps doesn't give me warm fuzzies. Google's iOS apps always seem to be missing features available in the web versions (however, in all fairness, I don't know if these features are also missing in the android versions).
 
While that's true, their track history with their google voice and gmail apps doesn't give me warm fuzzies. Google's iOS apps always seem to be missing features available in the web versions (however, in all fairness, I don't know if these features are also missing in the android versions).

hmm... well I honestly can't speak much to that, because I don't use any of the google services. But I would guess that google is just slow to get the features out. I know that recently the google+ iOS app was updated before it's Android version. So that should show that Google treats their iOS counterparts at least relatively equal to Android.
 
Has a list of the cities that will be included in flyover been put out there yet? I've seen demos using San Francisco, Miami, and Sydney, and I assume other major world cities like London, New York, and Chicago will be on there... but I feel like I'll probably be left out... as while Birmingham, AL is definitely not the sticks with over a million in the metro area, it typically doesn't get this kind of offering.

I'll reserve final judgment until I get to play with the new maps app myself this fall... but it seems pretty clear to me it will be a downgrade. Perhaps a step back before two steps forward, but to me, it seems the most amazing thing about the new maps app is that they not only get to wow people with a downgrade, but they could potentially wow people again in iOS 7 and even iOS 8 and still lag behind where Google Maps is today.
 
Probably none.

I don't think you understand how Google makes money. They don't care if people use iOS or android. Google doesn't make any money from android. What they want you to use is their services. They want to get all the iOS users back on Google Maps.

This is why I am expecting A google maps app the day iOS 6 drops (assuming Apple doesn't take their sweet time during the approval process, which is likely). They know a lot of people will miss the old google maps and will want it back. So Google will want to be there to provide that for them before they become used to Apple maps. That being said, google maps 1.0 may not be fully featured just because google wants to get something out quickly. But over time it will certainly have feature parity with android

The only reason why the old Google Maps didn't get updated was because Apple didn't update it... Probably because they were building their own maps so why continue to build up the competitions product...

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while there is a lot of validity to what you are saying, there's no guarantee apple will want to play ball. google more or less claims that their maps app could be better on iOS 5, but apple won't let it happen (turn by turn navigation, etc). i don't know why, but i have some theories (maybe apple knows their new map app will be a downgrade from what we already have and letting us get used to an awesome google maps and then have that taken away would really suck?). but in any event, the bottom line is google's products are better on android than they are on iOS... whether it be maps, gmail, or any of their other ones. i'm not sure that will change. why would apple spend all this money and time on their new maps app if they are just going to allow google to put out a product that will be superior to their own on launch day? i could see apple eventually letting a google maps app in the app store, but may let apple "catch up" a bit before they let it happen. none of us really know at the moment...
 
For an initial release of something, you would normally place a full copy of the live data on the server. This allows you to test server performance as that will vary with the amount of data that has to be cached (as well as load on the server) Tele Atlas (TomTom) provide the maps and I can tell they are reasonably up to date.

My issue is the data cartographically isn't suitable for maps use outside of a sat nav unit. Maybe I'm very fussy as in my day job, I'm a cartographer (my dev work is a hobby) and use vector based mapping in GIS systems.

This is just not accurate. Backed development and app development are on there own time lines. Making erroneous claims like this does not help anyone.
 
Has a list of the cities that will be included in flyover been put out there yet? I've seen demos using San Francisco, Miami, and Sydney, and I assume other major world cities like London, New York, and Chicago will be on there... but I feel like I'll probably be left out... as while Birmingham, AL is definitely not the sticks with over a million in the metro area, it typically doesn't get this kind of offering.

Birmingham = sticks

Sorry.
 
well of course google latitude is using apple maps. That's because it was coded to use "the default maps app". In iOS 1 to iOS 5 that was google maps. That's what most apps do because it is easiest, but you could create your own maps if you wanted. Now in iOS 6, apple maps is the default.

Google will still be able to release their own maps app. Just like every other navigation app on the iPhone.

SO by your thoughts Apple gave google maps the boot to implement their own app only to approve google maps back on the iphone and have 90% of users back on Google Maps? Your logic makes no sense. Apple will not be approving a google maps app. You have seen the last of Google Maps on iOS so hope you have enjoyed it.
 
Has a list of the cities that will be included in flyover been put out there yet?

C3 has mapped around 100 cities nearly 18 months ago, this is the company apple bought, so they have that data.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzNFz-_fMsg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Apple will not be approving a google maps app. You have seen the last of Google Maps on iOS so hope you have enjoyed it.

Definitely one of the stupidest things I've read. Course they'll approve it. They approved various other things that compete with native apps, this is no different.
 
SO by your thoughts Apple gave google maps the boot to implement their own app only to approve google maps back on the iphone and have 90% of users back on Google Maps? Your logic makes no sense. Apple will not be approving a google maps app. You have seen the last of Google Maps on iOS so hope you have enjoyed it.

geeze some of you people really need to take off your tin foil hats... Apple has no reason to reject it. In fact, I would argue that Apple will graciously approve it!

"Why?", do you ask? Well I explained earlier that Google makes money through its services (through its advertising). How does Apple make their money? Through their hardware. They want to sell iPhones. I don't think Apple will make any money at all through their Apple maps app, because it uses yelp data. The LAST thing Apple wants is for any size group of people (small, medium, or large) to leave iOS for Android because they like Google Maps better. A brief stay here in the iOS 6 forums will prove that many people are already wanting to switch for that very reason.

Sure Apple didn't want Google maps as the default maps app, because they have a grudge against google and don't want to actively promote the competition. Also they probably want to be able to have more direct control over the maps app (which is arguably one of the 3-4 most important apps). But it ends there. Apple would be foolish to reject google maps. Apple doesn't care if you buy and use every single google services apps, as long as you continue to buy the iPhone.

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C3 has mapped around 100 cities nearly 18 months ago, this is the company apple bought, so they have that data.

Although it appears (at least so far) that apple hasn't used any of that C3 data and has been generating their own. Maybe Apple's using more sofisticated detection/algorithm? Maybe to be as current as possible? Maybe because they can. Maybe they will include the C3 data in the final release. Who knows.

But whatever they do, Apple needs to kick their butt into gear getting a lot more flyover data before release.
 
If the final build of Maps looks and acts pretty much like this, I would graciously pay 4.99 for google maps, and toss this to page 4 of my iPhone screen that is never visited.

I think a Google Maps App would be free.
 
This is just not accurate. Backed development and app development are on there own time lines. Making erroneous claims like this does not help anyone.

Backend development should be complete by now. It should just be about optimisation and tuning. Something any GIS backend needs a lot of.
 
I'm a bit surprised that more of you don't realize that Maps is going to change, a lot, between now and release.

Not the core functionality, but the quality of the maps themselves.
 
SO by your thoughts Apple gave google maps the boot to implement their own app only to approve google maps back on the iphone and have 90% of users back on Google Maps? Your logic makes no sense. Apple will not be approving a google maps app. You have seen the last of Google Maps on iOS so hope you have enjoyed it.

Of course Apple would approve a Google Maps app. The important thing you are forgetting here is that, regardless of whether someone has a Google Maps app installed, the easiest way for a developer to include mapping functionality in their owns apps is to use MapKit, which will be switching from Google to Apple's maps. In other words, almost all 3rd party apps that include some form of map will use Apple's.
 
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