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As far as your statement, "No navigation app is going to give you the shortest/best route you prefer." Bull. Google navigation has not failed me in directions in nearly two years and the only time it failed me in that time was to misidentify which lane of an Interstate was the proper one to be in for an exit.
Then you either don't live in a city with great secret shortcuts or you have no idea they exist. I can shave off 15 minutes off of an 1hr 15 min drive because I know the quickest route which includes traffic light cycles/traffic.

It would NEVER route me around traffic and in doing so send me through a neighborhood. Saves a ton of time sitting in traffic though. That's the type of thing I'm talking about.

As I'm driving I can watch the time just drop by minutes when I take an alternate route that it doesn't know about. I'd love if it learned and shared it with everyone else but no GPS app that I know of does it that well. Waze might be the closest in a city. Dunno.

Stop defending this piece of refuse because this was clearly not ready to be released yet. This is Google Maps circa 2007.
I'm not defending Apple Maps. I'm trying to talk some sense into people that think Google Maps is infallible.
 
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Sorry, but you don't get to blame people's normal expectations.

This is Apple's goof, not the fault of its customers.

Like heck you don't. People have an a role in researching what it is they are buying before they click the go button. In this case, the user I bantered with came from iOS5 on an early device and jumped into the iP5 with iOS6 with out looking at one of the key features he was interested in. I'm sorry, but that's his doing not Apple's.

General Motors had a bullet proof engine in their 3.8l V6's for over a decade. They moved to a completely different technology design in their new 3.6l motor that is in everything now and it's design is very poor in comparison. I'm sorry but I do see that a consumer might expect things will only get better but anyone who has a clue and is older than age 10 should know better. Do your homework. That's your role.

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So do I, but will a standalone Google Maps app integrate with iOS fully? For example, if someone e-mails you a street address you can click on it in Mail and it opens Maps and shows the location. I doubt that a Google Maps app will be able to replace that functionality.

I never thought Google maps on ios were that great, especially when compared to maps on an Android device. I hope that a google map app would be the same as the Android one. I would even pay for it.

Then you either don't live in a city with great secret shortcuts or you have no idea they exist. I can shave off 15 minutes off of an 1hr 15 min drive because I know the quickest route which includes traffic light cycles/traffic.

Yeah a map program would know "SECRET" anything. Would be creepy if it did
 
can anyone tell me how maps is a "cloud" business and will improve over time by its users? that apple statement seems like BS to me. i doubt if i look up a "grey area" for 100+ times, the map source material will magically improve lol

"Cloud" has nothing to do with it. The person who wrote that mistaked "Crowd-sourced" with "Cloud". All online mapping applications like Google Maps and Mapquest before it have been "cloud" based. Crowd-sourcing is also not a new concept and all other players use it intensively.

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I'm trying to talk some sense into people that think Google Maps is infallible.

No one said that. No need to "talk sense" into people. People aren't arguing Google Maps is perfect, they're arguing Apple Maps is a downgrade from Google Maps.

I have issues with Google Maps, minors ones. I've had some major ones over the years, but they are fixed.

Moving to Apple maps is like going back to square one and having to live through all those major issues again.

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Like heck you don't. People have an a role in researching what it is they are buying before they click the go button.

Sorry, but iOS maps is not something you could "research". It's not like Apple is being exactly "fair" in their sales pitch either :

http://www.apple.com/ca/ios/maps/

Designed by Apple from the ground up, Maps gives you turn-by-turn spoken directions, interactive 3D views and the stunning Flyover feature.1 All of which may just make this app the most beautiful, powerful mapping service ever.

Or this other choice quote :

http://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/ios/

Maps keeps street names where they belong

Sorry, no one could "research" their way out of this. And frankly, this does not excuse Apple's failed release to other users of their software. Remember, Apple have now abandonned iOS 5 for iOS 6. If you want to keep getting security updates, you need to upgrade. If you do, your maps are downgraded.

That's a no-win scenario in my book. You really need to stop playing Apple defense here. First, it's not your job, second, it's not winning you any credibility points. I wonder why you feel the need to defend Apple so vigorously. Let users talk about their issues without constantly trying to shove them back in their faces, you're not helping calm the situation down any. You're making it worse by pissing off a crowd that's already quite pissed off enough.
 
No one said that. No need to "talk sense" into people. People aren't arguing Google Maps is perfect, they're arguing Apple Maps is a downgrade from Google Maps.

I have issues with Google Maps, minors ones. I've had some major ones over the years, but they are fixed.

Moving to Apple maps is like going back to square one and having to live through all those major issues again.

Apple has hardly moved back to square one. One of the biggest things going for them now is they have turn by turn included. I'm sorry, but so what if you're missing some POI. If you are going from one point to another and need to use a map to get there, turn by turn will get you there and to do so use an address for most accurate results. Geesh.

Now in terms of having your favorite pub nearby or finding the local hot spot if the names aren't in there, deal with it. This is v1.0 of maps. There are tons of other apps that do more than even the previous version did and yes, Apple will get there.

Sorry, but iOS maps is not something you could "research". It's not like Apple is being exactly "fair" in their sales pitch either :

http://www.apple.com/ca/ios/maps/

No where in there did I see Apple say it's everything that it once was plus more. They indicate it's all new from ground up and pretty fairly show the level of details to expect. Looks pretty fair to me. Again, many here Assumed that it would be exactly like before but I'm not sure what outside previous experience made them believe it was google maps plus some Apple Stuff.

In terms of researching it, yes you could. I've read all about it here and on the web for months. One of the first things I thought about was if it was going to be up to one of my favorite apps abilities. I never believed and rightfully so thought it would be. To do so would be to based on no true facts.


Again, looks pretty fair to me. Mine is stable and outside a 30 minute window of a wifi issue, all is working just beautifully.

Sorry, no one could "research" their way out of this. And frankly, this does not excuse Apple's failed release to other users of their software. Remember, Apple have now abandonned iOS 5 for iOS 6. If you want to keep getting security updates, you need to upgrade. If you do, your maps are downgraded
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Again, yes you could have done research. Since 2010 articles about their maps attempt have popped up all over including the purchase of two smaller companies for api and POI interface to the TomTom agreement to use them as the baseline data partner. Not to mention MacRumors being the easiest site to follow with an iOS 6 forum up for months now where readers could follow developers all day long. It's no secret there were concerns about it being different.

In terms of iOS, they are not forcing you to upgrade. My son's 3Gs is still on v4.x and doing just fine. Especially no one forced an upgrade on day / week one.

That's a no-win scenario in my book. You really need to stop playing Apple defense here. First, it's not your job, second, it's not winning you any credibility points.

I don't need to stop doing anything regardless of my occupation. I also don't need credibiliity points. I'm asking fairly credible questions and bringning up some very fair points in terms of how others made their decision to purchase or upgrade. Buyers do play a role in accepting what they puchase and upgrade to. Especially early on. I don't believe Apple decieved anyone.

I wonder why you feel the need to defend Apple so vigorously. Let users talk about their issues without constantly trying to shove them back in their faces, you're not helping calm the situation down any. You're making it worse by pissing off a crowd that's already quite pissed off enough.

I'm not defending Apple. I'm asking very pointed questions and bringing out the point about the role of users and what data they used to make their decisions to upgrade. Most "assumed" a lot. Most based their decisions on emotion and are showing it right back. I'm not worried about pissing anyone off. If anyone is getting all emotional about this they are nuerotic as it's not a situation of feelings or emotion. They made a decision to upgrade to iOS6 for a number of reasons incluing maps. THey in turn need to be accountable for making that choice based on what was presented to them that IMO was pretty clearly not this is the old google maps plus some great new things. It was presented as all new from ground up with turn by turn and provided some pretty fair screen shots. Apple never promised it was the old google based maps on steroids. Why users felt it was going to be I don't know. Seems to me it wasn't based on any facts other than a completely different past app that they knew and were told is going away.
 


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No apple maps is crappola
The data is good but apple can't figure out how to parse an address and find it. Or they find it in another town even if you give me the right zip code


Apple has hardly moved back to square one. One of the biggest things going for them now is they have turn by turn included. I'm sorry, but so what if you're missing some POI. If you are going from one point to another and need to use a map to get there, turn by turn will get you there and to do so use an address for most accurate results. Geesh.

Now in terms of having your favorite pub nearby or finding the local hot spot if the names aren't in there, deal with it. This is v1.0 of maps. There are tons of other apps that do more than even the previous version did and yes, Apple will get there.



No where in there did I see Apple say it's everything that it once was plus more. They indicate it's all new from ground up and pretty fairly show the level of details to expect. Looks pretty fair to me. Again, many here Assumed that it would be exactly like before but I'm not sure what outside previous experience made them believe it was google maps plus some Apple Stuff.

In terms of researching it, yes you could. I've read all about it here and on the web for months. One of the first things I thought about was if it was going to be up to one of my favorite apps abilities. I never believed and rightfully so thought it would be. To do so would be to based on no true facts.



Again, looks pretty fair to me. Mine is stable and outside a 30 minute window of a wifi issue, all is working just beautifully.

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Again, yes you could have done research. Since 2010 articles about their maps attempt have popped up all over including the purchase of two smaller companies for api and POI interface to the TomTom agreement to use them as the baseline data partner. Not to mention MacRumors being the easiest site to follow with an iOS 6 forum up for months now where readers could follow developers all day long. It's no secret there were concerns about it being different.

In terms of iOS, they are not forcing you to upgrade. My son's 3Gs is still on v4.x and doing just fine. Especially no one forced an upgrade on day / week one.



I don't need to stop doing anything regardless of my occupation. I also don't need credibiliity points. I'm asking fairly credible questions and bringning up some very fair points in terms of how others made their decision to purchase or upgrade. Buyers do play a role in accepting what they puchase and upgrade to. Especially early on. I don't believe Apple decieved anyone.



I'm not defending Apple. I'm asking very pointed questions and bringing out the point about the role of users and what data they used to make their decisions to upgrade. Most "assumed" a lot. Most based their decisions on emotion and are showing it right back. I'm not worried about pissing anyone off. If anyone is getting all emotional about this they are nuerotic as it's not a situation of feelings or emotion. They made a decision to upgrade to iOS6 for a number of reasons incluing maps. THey in turn need to be accountable for making that choice based on what was presented to them that IMO was pretty clearly not this is the old google maps plus some great new things. It was presented as all new from ground up with turn by turn and provided some pretty fair screen shots. Apple never promised it was the old google based maps on steroids. Why users felt it was going to be I don't know. Seems to me it wasn't based on any facts other than a completely different past app that they knew and were told is going away.
 
simple solution for those who dont want apple maps

Open Safari...

GoTo Maps.google.com

Click on the share button

Add to homescreen

Welcome back to google maps
 
No apple maps is crappola. The data is good but apple can't figure out how to parse an address and find it. Or they find it in another town even if you give me the right zip code

Perhaps users should realize that this is not the old maps app. Perhaps users should be a little more accruate and complete when entering their information as not all GPS Systems are "the best". Perhaps users should be cross referencing an address when they ask for a location or business by name. To check it by name and not insure what they are seeing is the correct address is short sighted on the users part. I never leave for an unknown destination without a full addy, including zip, a ph# and if possible a cross street. Again, travel wisely. Those practice don't change even if the GPS System used does.

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The Hitler Youtube is hilarious!

Thanks for the share :)


^^ this. That scene is forever classic for spoofs like this.
 
Perhaps users should realize that this is not the old maps app. Perhaps users should be a little more accruate and complete when entering their information as not all GPS Systems are "the best". Perhaps users should be cross referencing an address when they ask for a location or business by name. To check it by name and not insure what they are seeing is the correct address is short sighted on the users part. I never leave for an unknown destination without a full addy, including zip, a ph# and if possible a cross street. Again, travel wisely. Those practice don't change even if the GPS System used does.

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^^ this. That scene is forever classic for spoofs like this.

yeah or you could use street view to check its the right place... oh wait
 
Entering the full address doesn't work either, sometimes it makes it worse

Like entering a NYC address and zip code and getting a location upstate returned to you



Perhaps users should realize that this is not the old maps app. Perhaps users should be a little more accruate and complete when entering their information as not all GPS Systems are "the best". Perhaps users should be cross referencing an address when they ask for a location or business by name. To check it by name and not insure what they are seeing is the correct address is short sighted on the users part. I never leave for an unknown destination without a full addy, including zip, a ph# and if possible a cross street. Again, travel wisely. Those practice don't change even if the GPS System used does.

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^^ this. That scene is forever classic for spoofs like this.
 
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Putting a simple Manhattan address in Brooklyn is really bad. Apple needs to stop reaching beyond their means. Ping was a failure, MobileMe was a failure, and Apple Maps will be a failure. They just don't have the resources dedicated to it. Even if they do invest that much in maps, it's just not their core business and will be a dumb move.
 
I'm not defending Apple.

I'm sorry. No use arguing with you then, since you don't even realise what you're doing. If you can't even see what you're posting, there's very little chance to get a good faith debate out of you. Anyway, we'll always be wrong and Apple will always be right.

I guess we should do better research as consumers over unreleased products that are going to be sold by the most secretive and least transparent corporation out there. Our bad. :rolleyes:

What a waste of time.
 
No one said that. No need to "talk sense" into people. People aren't arguing Google Maps is perfect, they're arguing Apple Maps is a downgrade from Google Maps.
Fair enough.

I have issues with Google Maps, minors ones. I've had some major ones over the years, but they are fixed.

Moving to Apple maps is like going back to square one and having to live through all those major issues again.
Are you kidding!? Maps was utterly useless in the car. Navigation is a huge step forward. I agree that they need a lot more POI's for it to be more functional but it's nothing that downloading Google Local won't fix as a workaround until that happens.
 
Might have already been mentioned but...

..there are no longer ANY bike routes in my area. What the hell Apple? I used this all the time and now you killed a major feature for me.
 
I guess we should do better research as consumers over unreleased products that are going to be sold by the most secretive and least transparent corporation out there. Our bad. :rolleyes:

What a waste of time.

To all those that hit the update button on day one, heck even week one or pre-ordered a phone, they made a choice to do that and take a leap on as you said on an unreleased product from a secretive and non-transparent company, containing a totally new built from ground up and unproven core application.........Hmm.....sounds to me perhaps you should re-read this paragraph and ask yourselves if that was a very informed decision you made. :rolleyes: Yep....I totally see all those users as having no responsibility in their decision. :rolleyes:

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Are you kidding!? Maps was utterly useless in the car. Navigation is a huge step forward. I agree that they need a lot more POI's for it to be more functional but it's nothing that downloading Google Local won't fix as a workaround until that happens.

^^ I agree. Thus why apps like Navigon, TomTom and Motion X are so great and done so well.
 
Putting a simple Manhattan address in Brooklyn is really bad.

I wouldn't say really bad. I'd say a better way of doing it would be to list the possible locations out showing the differences in cities and perhaps distances (like is done inside Motion X) and other apps, so the user can then select the correct one.

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There we go, the stock response to criticism of Apple :rolleyes:

No, again, perhaps I wasn't clear....I don't care about Apple, he/she wants to engage in a debate, fine, I simply want to know why he/she stays with an iPhone over a Droid.
 
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