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Isn't this biting the hand that feeds you? I am sure Motorola pays for a large % of the ad cost but how much has Verizon made from Apple? I had a Motorola Xoom and loved Android maps but it had a hardware failure as have a few Motorola phones I have owned. If I go to Android it will be with Samsung or HTC. I switched to Apple on both desktop and tablet for the hardware quality, not the so-called ease of use. Of course I still want it to work.
 
Hey how long does everyone think it will take for Apple to have a more competitive and polished product?
 
Disagree. Hardly ever works for me when not on WiFi.

Have to agree. And I have owned every iteration of the iPhone. Siri works 50% of the time for me. And it's not due to my speaking patterns but more related to the failure of the backend(datacenter processing).

Have to admit, I have not tried Googles version. But if you search a little you will find many reviews putting Google ahead of Apple on this.

Maps definitely need work. Hoping they can straightening this out quickly. Keep in mind that Google is a software/services company where as Apple is primarily hardware based. Apple makes up for their lack of mature software development by "locking" down the user experience. I would expect Google to have the edge here.
 
Maps needs a night mode. Just used it as a GPS and its way too bright for night driving.
 
I just found out Maps is made of people!
IT'S PEEEEEOPLLLLLLLE!!!

Anyway, how many posts can we have basically saying the same damn thing?

Maps is trash. We know this.
 
I just found out Maps is made of people!
IT'S PEEEEEOPLLLLLLLE!!!

Anyway, how many posts can we have basically saying the same damn thing?

Maps is trash. We know this.

Ok, then let's have some fun with it.

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Hey how long does everyone think it will take for Apple to have a more competitive and polished product?

It's already competitive since it's the default maps application, anything you do in IOS outside of the maps app itself will tie into it. But it depends on the way you compare. I think Apple Maps will be somewhat useful in a year or two - but only in a few select countries (the rate Siri get's better, more or less).

Apple Maps will never surpass Google Maps and thus never be competitive against it.
 
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Believe me, I hear what you're saying. I think when it works, it's a beautiful thing.

However, it just doesn't always work, and that's the failing. No matter how pretty you make something, it doesn't matter if it's core functionality is so flawed to render it useless. And I don't say that lightly... I WANT to be in Apple's corner.

Literally, the first search I did could not find the road I was looking for, and though I put in "Example Street, City Name", it kept showing me "Example Street, Completely Different City 20 miles away". Not okay. Even when I zoomed into the city first and searched for the street, it couldn't find it, though I was staring at it on the map itself.

This is more than just some funky looking satellite images... it's core functionality that just doesn't work well.

And remember, Maps is a highly integrated app that is supposed to function with other apps... if it doesn't it hurts a much much wider user experience.
I concur with you on the importance of this application, specially since—as you pointed out—its functionality is integrated into the services of other apps out there.

Personally, I have not had such misfortune with the new Maps app. The most glaring problem for me is the rendering of a lot of places when using Flyover or just plain satellite imagery. Also, if you look up addresses outside the US, this becomes much more of a glaring problem, and that's really unfortunate. On the other side of the coin, I've been playing a lot with the search functionality and just play directions, and it just works. Moreover, since this is all vector-based, the transition from place to place across the map happens very smoothly, and this is specially noticeable when using the standard viewing mode as you navigate all over the map to see places and get directions.

Definitely there is a lot to work on here, and again, this is from my experience after using the app for quite some time.

I would be able to relax and have a lot more faith if the apps and features I have been using for years still worked for me.

Where I live (and everyone in my community) is now apparently a few hundred feet away from anything in the middle of a vacant wooded area.

Geofencing and location based reminders? Gone. Fitness mapping and realtor apps? Useless. Find my Friends/ Phone? Laughable.
Yes, that must be very painful. However, as I mentioned above in this post, there is definitely a lot of work to do, and the experience from everybody—at this stage when the app and functionality have just been publicly released—should vary substantially. Keep in mind that this new service isn't some conventional engineering as a whole — it is in fact one of the most complex services to build from the ground-up, and this is coming from a developer.

Over the coming weeks and months, we should all see the first improvements to the service itself as more people use it and the Maps engineering team at Apple gains some more knowledge on how to make the user experience as flawless and accurate as possible.

No one's saying it isn't a mammoth project. How hard it is, isn't an excuse. Apple is selling this as a capable replacement to Google maps.

What everyone is saying is how dare Apple be so arrogant to pull the best map app on the planet and then have the gall to replace it with their own alpha version that needs another 5 years dev time to even come close to Google's. Apple either thinks the world of themselves or very little of their customers. The press and users are rightfully so, calling them on the carpet for this mess.
Stating that Apple doesn't care about its customers because of this move is very wrong, respectfully. As I mentioned in the post you quoted, history has shown just how much value Apple puts behind the experience that its costumers have using its products and services. But now that they have made such a big move aiming to deliver an even better service over time, a lot of people feel like Apple has just let them down due to the flaws in this new service itself. In fact, the new mapping solution, as is, is definitely better than the old Google-powered app in some aspects, while at the same time is in need of some really big improvements across the board.
 
No where in there did I see Apple say it's everything that it once was plus more. They indicate it's all new from ground up and pretty fairly show the level of details to expect. Looks pretty fair to me.

"All of which may just make this app the most beautiful, powerful mapping service ever."

Are you clinging to the "may just make" or are you gunning for a job in Apple Marketing?
 
FYI, posted over at Ars: google pushed apple

As this little disaster expands, what I'm hearing from my friends-who-know-things™ is that it was Google that forced this. Apple's original contract with Google started before Android really dropped and gave Apple relatively open access to maps API from iOS APIs. As this turned more and more into an iOS v. Android landscape, Google simply stopped giving Apple the opportunity to tap into new mapping info - no turn by turn, no vector maps, no building/3D data, etc. The suggestion is that Apple was willing to license this but Google refused - or was asking an absurd amount for it - unsaid, but one hint was that Google wanted Apple patents for the mapping data. Apparently Apple got the clue a while ago that they'd never be able to retain what they had - that they'd either have to pay so much for it (in whatever form) that they'd have to give up their competitive edge in other areas in exchange for maintaining an inferior position to Android on mapping (because they were always going to be held hostage to new data), or they'd have to take control themselves and wind up in an inferior position that at least they had the power to correct. They (unsurprisingly) chose the latter. But I don't think they had nearly as much choice in this situation and people seem to believe.
 
Stating that Apple doesn't care about its customers because of this move is very wrong, respectfully. As I mentioned in the post you quoted, history has shown just how much value Apple puts behind the experience that its costumers have using its products and services.

Jumping from Google to in-house is a decision based on economics and who owns the customers - they made this move because Google is a competitor and there's a lot of money to be made in presence and location. Notice all the marketing revolving around most features in IOS6, walk by a Starbucks, get a pop-up... You can bet Your a** Apple sees this as a business opportunity and getting rid of Google is step one in grabbing for a share.

Your are a fool if You think Apple didn't know this Maps-turd was going to be a "thing", but they did it anyway and that's where Your "Apple does care" arguments doesn't cut it (ask any FCX user how it feels when Apple "cares"). In short - Apple is a company just like any other (mostly).

But now that they have made such a big move aiming to deliver an even better service over time, a lot of people feel like Apple has just let them down due to the flaws in this new service itself. In fact, the new mapping solution, as is, is definitely better than the old Google-powered app in some aspects, while at the same time is in need of some really big improvements across the board.

Apart from turn-by-turn - what is better?
 
I'm not trying to defend Apple when I say this, but you should report the problem. If you find the "Edinburgh Rail Station" you can request that its name be changed to the correct one.

I've noticed so many flaws it seems like trying to plug a hole in a particularly massive colander.
Also it would make no difference, there is a real problem in the fact that what is on the map is not the same as the information used to navigate, Edinburgh Royal Infirmary is on the map correctly (if horribly under-detailed) but it comes up completely wrong when searched for.
 
"Hide Traffic", Hah! What Traffic?

Anybody not getting traffic information at all?

The Denver metro area definitely has traffic sensors etc that displayed well on Google Maps.
 
Anybody not getting traffic information at all?

The Denver metro area definitely has traffic sensors etc that displayed well on Google Maps.

I didn't think google used sensors nowadays. Thought it was actual cellphone signals that transmitted traffic speeds.
 
Traffic data on Maps is crowdsourced - probably don't have enough consistent data yet to determine if its actual congestion worth displaying or not
 
^^ not sure why you are trying to imply I said that. Their keynote was spot on. However, if you're making your decision based strictly on what you saw there....again, congrats for making a less than fully informed decision.

You really need to stop judging. I made my decision based on the fact I'm a developer and need to test on the latest iOS version. So stop telling me whether I was informed or not, I've been following this thread since the beginning.

There is no excuse for this, "consumer research" is not even close to excusing Apple's failure in delivering an equivalent experience than what was in iOS 5. Adding in "turn-by-turn" should not break existing functionality.

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FYI, posted over at Ars: google pushed apple

A forum post ? Really ? :rolleyes:

If Google did ask for patent cross-licensing to give them the features, then Apple should have just cross-licensed the patents instead of serving us this sub-par entry.

That or use another mapping provider that was competent and had an adequate solution in place already (Google ain't the only game in town).
 
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