Wow! Look at this. Could the 16 tb MBp be the most successful laptop ever?

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  1. enzo thecat, Dec 9, 2016
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    It is an awesome machine and its selling like crazy... It is so good they are forecasting that it will bring former Apple buyers back to Mac.

    While the naysayers are here complaining about them, masses of actual owners are too busy enjoying them to notice.

    I wonder what the impact of the popularity of the '16 will have on the previous generations.

    http://mashable.com/2016/11/09/macbook-pro-sales-report/#Zut_xmv8bOqz

    For those of you so quick to criticize that you wont click on the embedded link:

    https://intelligence.slice.com/apples-macbook-pro-launch/
     
  2. New_Mac_Smell macrumors 65816

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    Whilst some of the complaints are justified, I feel a lot of it has been because of click-baity whiners on YouTube who have got people riled up about it all.

    USB-C is just not an issue, was never an issue. And a lot of the complaints were around the idea that you couldn't plug anything in. Which is dumb.

    16GB RAM is kind of an issue, but 32GB in a laptop at this stage just wouldn't produce a very good laptop experience.

    Those two seem the biggest ones. Then you're getting just frankly stupid complaints like the trackpad being too big, or the keyboard being too loud, I've even seen complaints over the lack of a glowing Apple icon (Which anyone who complains about that, clearly isn't using the actual device for any work, unless working in a mirror?).

    I predict you'll see a shift in the YouTubers as people actually enjoy their devices, suddenly they'll start to follow that bandwagon for more clickbait nonsense.

    I'm loving my 2016, coming from a 2011 it's so thin and light and I love that. A lot of the people discrediting the 2016 seem to be people with a 2015 device, and so have no reason to justify an upgrade; want the newest thing but can't so complain instead.
     
  3. apppen1 macrumors regular

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    I'm going to laugh in 1-2 years when everything will be USB-C, the people living in the past carrying dongles for their USB-A devices.
     
  4. Scary Spice, Dec 9, 2016
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    You nailed it.

    Do you hear anything anymore from the old 30-pin people regarding the lightening cable?
     
  5. Cameron604 Suspended

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    That's a little toxic, don't you think? USB-C hasn't hit the market in an affordable way. It's impossible to say.
     
  6. enzo thecat thread starter macrumors 6502

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    LOL I know, right! But, but...the 2015 refurbs are better...
     
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    Sorry to say but that is only about us online shoppers.
     
  8. snowboardpunk macrumors regular

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    I think the battery is the biggest issue. If I'm doing super light tasks I get 6-7 hours and if I do anything on vm or adobe I get around 3. Which means if I need my laptop for more than one class I need to carry my charger which is a hassle cuz living in NYC and commuting with a bunch of crap in your bag gets annoying.
     
  9. therealseebs macrumors 65816

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    So one of my coworkers finally got his. He's had various crashes, touch ID acting up, and so on. After a day, his summary: "I can unequivicolly state you should NOT buy a new MBP. It’s buggy as f***"

    Of the early adopters I know, the repair-or-return rate is >80%, and the return rate is >50%.

    It's got better CPU/GPU than previous gen, which people were waiting for a long time, and that's created a huge number of orders... But actual user satisfaction is very low. Incredibly low by Apple standards.
     
  10. Voley macrumors regular

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    My experience is opposite, I'm extremely happy with my device.
     
  11. therealseebs macrumors 65816

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    Yeah. And that's certainly happening for some people, but I have seen more genuine distress about this laptop than about anything Apple's done since maybe the Cube, or possibly some of the really badly done Performa models.
     
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    My only complaint is the Touch ID button is wobbly
     
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    I don't have an issue with usb-c, even tough I consider apple being apple for not including at least one usb-a port. Just to be consistent with their own devices (iphone, ipod, ipad...). But of course fanboys won't understand this ;)

    But the thing I really have an issue is touch bar. Unnecessary gimmick. Period. Ok, include it as an option, but give us an option for purchasing mbp without this gimmick. The second thing I have a problem is battery. Lousy, lousy battery on 15 mbp. Third thing is performance. Have been waiting for so long for refresh, only to get similar performance as 2015 version? And the last thing would be bugs. From stuck keys, to graphic issues.

    I know a lot of you don't mind these 'small' issues. But I do. Especially for the asking price. And yes, I have owned 15" version of new MBP. And have returned it. But to all of the fanboys out there, do any of you still remember the mantra 'it just works' ? Obviously not.

    Here is the best review of the new MBP (imho of course!):
     
  14. raqball, Dec 9, 2016
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    1-2 years? Nope... Eventually? Sure USC C will take over but by the time that happens most of these 2016 will be in the scrap heap..

    In some ways it is better.. Depends on the persons needs, wants and how much they want to spend. Discounting the 2015 as a pile of junk, as you've done and continue to do in numerous threads there, is foolish and childish...
     
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    Your title, the report etc are not even aligned. I suggest you read the report and what it compared.
     
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    I think Apple did this by not upgrading the rMBP for so long and letting sales of MBPs languish. They created a lot of pent up demand. If the updated the MacBook on the same pace as iPhones, or even iPads, that demand would not have been there.

    Since I have 2015 15" rMBP I am waiting until the 2nd (or 3rd) version of the new MBP form factors comes out. I will let the early adopters work with Apple to get the bugs ironed out, and multiple vendors bring out accessories like USB-C/TB-3 docks and monitors.
     
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    So far, I've been mostly happy with mine. The Touch Bar with Touch ID is very useful to me. The weight is good. The screen is awesome and the speakers are nothing short of amazing for a laptop. My only gripe: the battery time is pretty abysmal.
     
  18. thesaint024 macrumors 6502a

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    These are simply black and white numbers. Even with this, you guys insist that anecdotal evidence or your small sample size is somehow more accurate? These are just numbers. You can speculate that everyone hates them and was somehow forced to buy them for whatever reason or that all MBP buyers have gotten stupider as a whole, but you can't deny this is the fastest selling laptop. Fastest selling doesn't happen by accident or by making a bad product. It simply meets the needs of a LOT of people even at this price. These are not perfect and people should discuss their specific problems on forums, but continuing to say that this MBP sucks for everyone with the same subjective arguments is getting REALLY old.
     
  19. raqball, Dec 9, 2016
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    Well....

    People have pent up demand and this is evident by the 2015's flying off the shelves as well.. The Apple online store can't keep the refurbished 2015 units in stock. Why? People waited and waited and waited for the 2016 release. They put off upgrades and buying new machines until the announcement. Once that happened plenty of people decided the 2015 was the way to go.. Yes the 2016's are selling and I don't think anyone rationally expected them to be a flop...

    They are not selling all that great though. I can walk into my local Apple Store right now and pick up any 13" 2016 model whereas the online store says 2-3 week wait for the TB...

    If someone only looked at the online store they'd think these machines were hard to get, backordered and sold out.. They are not and are readily available at local brick and mortar stores...

    I like the 2016 well enough and think it's a fine computer BUT the sales numbers can easily be skewed in either direction.. I think they are selling well but not as well as some want others to believe..
     
  20. thadoggfather, Dec 9, 2016
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    People have been dying for a redesign for a while now. and some love in the Mac world, and popular portables would be a good product line to reboot.. there was speculation if apple was just going to sunset every Mac period soon with increasing merging of iOS/OSX..

    so makes sense. Apple should be and was interested in this, and this design really is a labor of love when you sit down and put it use and hear and see it.. retro retina is a beauty too, but this thing looks and feels great.. but they are increasingly becoming fashion minded and realize the demand is there since 2012 is the last time they set the stage on cosmetics never mind sloth like speed Intel upgrades (by comparison to A-series skyrocketing in performance), so they did milk it, same with whenever iPhone gets an actual redesign be it 7s/8/8s, etc

    I think the new tradition with apple product releases these days at least on MR/ maybe society is

    1) hypefest/ominousness surrounding leaks/denial/some blend,
    2) disappointment with pricing, sinking in
    3) eventual realization that life is short and next year is next year and Apple will probably still pull a trick or two on you that makes you sour but uncontrollably piped in, and today is what you got.. biting the bullet/waiting on a deal only for a short period of time, and happy as usual
    4) though wishing for a prettier day for QC of software assuming you got a keeper of hardware (a crapshoot on iOS devices, more optimistic on Mac side it seems like in general), than anything, though the alternatives aren't that pretty either as an overall package/solution

    I hope they do well! this is a really nice refresh and they have paved a path, in a generation or two, I think it will become a no brainer for most people with upgrades considered and dropped pricing, and more saturation of USBc/tb3 accessories
     
  21. Shazamadoo macrumors member

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    Yes, throwing the charger in your bag is definitely a hassle..
     
  22. thesaint024 macrumors 6502a

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    As always you have good points, but I don't come to the same conclusions. I'm only speaking to the numbers here. Pent up demand for sure. I am one of those who is "pent up". Good sales of 2015 rMBP also indicate that the price is too high for them or tradeoffs not worth it for that group. But the thing is we don't know what the supply situation is for either the new/refurb 2015's or the new 2016's is. All we know is that the 2016's are selling better than Apple or "experts" expected. I don't think anything else can be gleaned from the inventory/sales situation.

    I come back to what the numbers actually say. This MBP has outsold every other computer in 2016 by a large margin in one week. Sales could fall off a cliff, but that's speculation. Vast majority of owners are satisfied. Not just from the MR polls, but from reputable Mac sites (maybe it was 9to5?). Again, speculation if those are fanboys only on these sites or just regular people. Only facts are there are a lot of MBP's sold.

    Now for speculation, I think these sales won't fall off a cliff as the idea of usb-c only is more socialized and more 3rd party options (and prices) become available and as more PC's go all in. There's a group of people waiting for the dust to settle on software and/or hardware issues on this Rev A. That's another group who are also well represented here in MR. There was a great article somewhere on here about the unexpected flexibility of usb-c. They mentioned things I didn't event think of and I'm one of the '16 fan/owners. Statistics, psychology, and history lead me to speculate that this is just the beginning. Personally, I don't care if this computer sells great, as long as it is profitable enough for Apple to continue to make these for ME. If others want to buy it, cool, because it keeps Apple in the laptop game. And keeps them pushing the industry forward. If others don't want to buy it, that's also cool, as I don't want PC manufacturers to go out of business to keep competition healthy for Apple.
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    I agree. But the more I tested and thought about it, wobbly is relative to the solid, no-play keyboard. I feel it looking for wobble and it is tighter than any other computer's keyboard keys. It IS the sloppiest key on the computer, but that's not saying much.
     
  23. EndlessBuffoonery macrumors regular

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    Cool anecdote.
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    Well said. I'll never understand people who desperately try to argue against objective data by referencing some anecdote of theirs (or worse, that they heard from a friend). Even if 99% of customers were 100% satisfied by a product, you will still find 1% of customers have something to complain about. A product would have to be literally perfect for everyone all of the time to not be able to find somebody somewhere who doesn't like the product. Anecdotes never tell you anything useful about the general quality of something.
     
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    LOL. I wonder what the return rate is. They never seem to mention that in these reports do they?
     
  25. raqball macrumors 6502a

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    Agree.. I do think the 2016 are selling well and they should as it's a fine computer.. Some of the so called 'experts' were probably basing their sales assumptions off of how people reacted the 12" MacBook.. One USB C (now 2 on the Pro) and most everyone hated the new KB on them and then there was the price... I am one of the few who really liked the KB on the 12" so I was thrilled when it came to the new Pro..


    USB C does not really bother me.. The 2 ports on the nTB does... One of those will be used for charging so that leaves the user with one available port.. The TB has 4 so no problem there.. I do think USB C is the future. heck my GoPro Hero 5 Session has USB C and most 'new' high end Android phones have it now.. I also have a USB C external hard drive and a USB C memory card stick..

    I am fine with USB C and don't mind buying and using a dongle for my devices that are not...
     

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