Wow! Look at this. Could the 16 tb MBp be the most successful laptop ever?

[thadoggfather]

LOL. I wonder what the return rate is. They never seem to mention that in these reports do they?

"Our 2016 laptops only got returned 25 percent of the time in the past week a few weeks out from launch vs 50 percent of people who returned their 2015 as soon as the 2016 became available for sale. We are proud of this, people love the new MacBook pros"
-apple pr,

 

[enzo thecat]

1-2 years? Nope... Eventually? Sure USC C will take over but by the time that happens most of these 2016 will be in the scrap heap..



In some ways it is better.. Depends on the persons needs, wants and how much they want to spend. Discounting the 2015 as a pile of junk, as you've done and continue to do in numerous threads there, is foolish and childish...

You make me laugh, Kettle. How many hours have YOU wasted on MR chasing down all the positive feedback?

 

[raqball]

You make me laugh, Kettle. How many hours have YOU wasted on MR chasing down all the positive feedback?

I think rationally and not from a foaming at the mouth, overzealous, fanatical, fanboy perspective..

I like Apple and I buy a lot of their products but I don't do so with blinders on either.. Maybe you should try that???

 

[thesaint024]

Agree.. I do think the 2016 are selling well and they should as it's a fine computer.. Some of the so called 'experts' were probably basing their sales assumptions off of how people reacted the 12" MacBook.. One USB C (now 2 on the Pro) and most everyone hated the new KB on them and then there was the price... I am one of the few who really liked the KB on the 12" so I was thrilled when it came to the new Pro..

I am fine with USB C and don't mind buying and using a dongle for my devices that are not...

As a sidebar, I have some understanding of what "experts" are trying to do. Apple is not a niche company any more. I believe most equity holders have some stake in Apple now. So there are a LOT of analysts putting together models for Apple sales. Yes, they are always wrong, but the models are built on a lot of drivers. 12"MB was likely one, but also past MBP sales, MBP Rev A sales, etc. Not too mention Apple's own Demand Planners who have a lot to lose with bad projections. There's too much money at stake to be wrong on this, so a lot of resources are put into getting these numbers right. And the MBP's blew by the projections.

You are one of the less-than-thrilled about the '16's who cop to the fact that usb-c is not an issue.
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I think rationally and not from a foaming at the mouth, overzealous, fanatical, fanboy perspective..

I like Apple and I buy a lot of their products but I don't do so with blinders on either.. Maybe you should try that???

FYI, I accused @enzo thecat of being a hater because he was smack talking iOS. Outrageous, right?

 

[raqball]

You are one of the less-than-thrilled about the '16's who cop to the fact that usb-c is not an issue.

I wouldn't say I am less than thrilled about the 2016.. I like it well enough. My issues are minor.

1. I do think it's priced to high from a value perspective.
2. The nTB should have more than 2 USB C since one has to be used for charging
3. I am thus far meh with the TB. Hopefully in time and as more functionality comes to it my opinion on it will change.

FYI, I accused @enzo thecat of being a hater because he was smack talking iOS. Outrageous, right?

He does not bother me any.. I guess it's nice to read the other sides perspective. I am a fan but no fanboy and I see every product, from Apple or not, for it's strengths and weaknesses.

 

[thesaint024]

I wouldn't say I am less than thrilled about the 2016.. I like it well enough. My issues are minor.

1. I do think it's priced to high from a value perspective.
2. The nTB should have more than 2 USB C since one has to be used for charging
3. I am thus far meh with the TB. Hopefully in time and as more functionality comes to it my opinion on it will change.



He does not bother me any.. I guess it's nice to read the other sides perspective. I am a fan but no fanboy and I see every product, from Apple or not, for it's strengths and weaknesses.

Technically, "meh" qualifies as less than thrilled.

You 2 have been "friendly bantering" on several threads. Good points on both sides. FWIW, I was harping on Apple's strong arm tactics in the Apple TV forum. I don't think I qualify as a fanboy either.

 

[thadoggfather]

I wouldn't say I am less than thrilled about the 2016.. I like it well enough. My issues are minor.

1. I do think it's priced to high from a value perspective.
2. The nTB should have more than 2 USB C since one has to be used for charging
3. I am thus far meh with the TB. Hopefully in time and as more functionality comes to it my opinion on it will change.



He does not bother me any.. I guess it's nice to read the other sides perspective. I am a fan but no fanboy and I see every product, from Apple or not, for it's strengths and weaknesses.

nTB 2 ports is its Achilles heel. I think they'd worry about sales being cannablized too bad if they went with 4.

Even tho 4 is preferable wouldn't a sweet dongle some that look cool on kickstarter that can charge have ports and looks sleek mitigate the concern and flexibility of a second freed up port for monitor or something else?

 

[raqball]

Technically, "meh" qualifies as less than thrilled.

Fair point.. I am meh on that one part of the machine but overall and as a package I am content with it..

Right now, for my use, the TB is a cool gimmick. I used it day one and have not even noticed it there since then other than to hit escape and log in with the fingerprint sensor.. Well, I did use it for Apple Pay yesterday as well..

I'll hold out final judgement on the TB and hope more functionality comes to it in time. I am sure it will once developers get around to updating their programs and apps for it's use..

 

[xmonkey]

So one of my coworkers finally got his. He's had various crashes, touch ID acting up, and so on. After a day, his summary: "I can unequivicolly state you should NOT buy a new MBP. It’s buggy as f***"

Of the early adopters I know, the repair-or-return rate is >80%, and the return rate is >50%.

It's got better CPU/GPU than previous gen, which people were waiting for a long time, and that's created a huge number of orders... But actual user satisfaction is very low. Incredibly low by Apple standards.

So one of my friends finally got his. He's seen great performance improvements editing video and the screen is a huge upgrade for editing photos, Touch ID has really been a convenience, and the Touch bar has a lot of potential. After a day, his summary: "I can unequivocally state this is a great update from Apple and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. It's awesome."

Of the early adopters I know, the repair-or-return rate is <0%, and the return rate is <0%.

It's better in nearly every way over the previous gen, definitely an update worth waiting for. Actual user satisfaction is very high. Incredibly good computer from Apple.





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[boilingDream]

I'm going to laugh in 1-2 years when everything will be USB-C, the people living in the past carrying dongles for their USB-A devices.

Meanwhile others ar laughing right now and postponing buying USB-C only laptops for 1-2 years.

 

[fs454]

It's pretty nuts how good the GPU is for this size and weight. It's as powerful as a PS4/Xbox One for gaming in a 4lb device where half the footprint is battery, which means great 1080p performance on medium, high settings for a lot of modern games. It absolutely rips through day-to-day Premiere Pro work and I'm making it a point to start using FCPX for some projects as it's remarkable how quickly you can work.

Games aren't why I bought it, but I quickly realized I can get my Battlefield 1 on without having to be home at my workstation setup.

 

[enzo thecat]

I think rationally and not from a foaming at the mouth, overzealous, fanatical, fanboy perspective..

I like Apple and I buy a lot of their products but I don't do so with blinders on either.. Maybe you should try that???

I dare you to look up my posting history on MR and accuse me of that.

 

[TechZeke]

1-2 years? Nope... Eventually? Sure USC C will take over but by the time that happens most of these 2016 will be in the scrap heap...

Readers on here seem to forget that people buying $1300+ MacBooks with USB-C only is actually a (very) small minority. The average joe/jane has no interest in USB-C or even what it is. Even 12" MacBook owners I've met have no idea what USB-C is. To them it's just a port-less computer and they only use it for charging.

Until USB-C is the main port on $500 laptops, cheap USB flash drives, school computers, and work computers; USB-C won't be getting very far anytime soon. USB-C is an excellent port, but we have to be realistic here.

 

[jackoatmon]

old story is old and out of date

 

[raqball]

I dare you to look up my posting history on MR and accuse me of that.

I have zero interest in reading your past posts.. What I see from recent history where we've both posted in the same thread is that you attack, put down and badger anyone who does not 110% share your point of view...

That said, have at it and I can really care less because you've lost all credibility with me.. Others can decide on their own..

Until USB-C is the main port on $500 laptops, cheap USB flash drives, school computers, and work computers; USB-C won't be getting very far anytime soon. USB-C is an excellent port, but we have to be realistic here.

Bingo! And it could be years and maybe even a decade before this happens...

 

[1050792]

Meanwhile others ar laughing right now and postponing buying USB-C only laptops for 1-2 years.

Anyone needs to be the first introducing the new technologies to the market, in this case Apple is always the one that can risk it.

 

[enzo thecat]

I have zero interest in reading your past posts.. What I see from recent history where we've both posted in the same thread is that you attack, put down and badger anyone who does not 110% share your point of view...

That said, have at it and I can really care less because you've lost all credibility with me.. Others can decide on their own..

Have I attacked, put down, or badgered you? I know you've followed my threads and attacked me plenty in the last couple days and I have responded with civility.

The one guy I caught lying. He said he bought one and returned it because he wanted to legitimize his criticisms. Even then I benign.

 

[duervo]

It is an awesome machine and its selling like crazy... It is so good they are forecasting that it will bring former Apple buyers back to Mac.

While the naysayers are here complaining about them, masses of actual owners are too busy enjoying them to notice.

I wonder what the impact of the popularity of the '16 will have on the previous generations.

http://mashable.com/2016/11/09/macbook-pro-sales-report/#Zut_xmv8bOqz

I suggest that you read that article one more time.

This latest report focuses on sales and not units sold, which might skew numbers in Apple's favor because the company's laptops, on average, are more expensive than Windows-based equivalents. Furthermore, given the long wait for a major MacBook Pro update, heightened interest is unsurprising.

 

[Fancuku]

16GB RAM is kind of an issue, but 32GB in a laptop at this stage just wouldn't produce a very good laptop experience.

I have 64GB in my 2016 Dell Precision laptop and it's a great experience.

 

[MH01]

I dare you to look up my posting history on MR and accuse me of that.

Just did. Basically anyone that disagrees is put down In a humorous way, cause that makes it okay....as just happened on this thread. And since you have come from a 2010 model to a 2016 it's awesome, and does not matter what opinions others say....those damn haters.

That's the quick gist I got. Can I ask how you view your posting history ? I used a smiley so it's okay again...

 

[enzo thecat]

Just did. Basically anyone that disagrees is put down In a humorous way, cause that makes it okay....as just happened on this thread. And since you have come from a 2010 model to a 2016 it's awesome, and does not matter what opinions others say....those damn haters.

That's the quick gist I got. Can I ask how you view your posting history ? I used a smiley so it's okay again...

You are talking about something else. He accused me of being an "fanatical Apple fanboy". My posting history probably shows more criticisms of Apple than compliments. That was my point. Keep b'n brilliant.

 

[neoelectronaut]

I'm loving my 2016, coming from a 2011 it's so thin and light and I love that. A lot of the people discrediting the 2016 seem to be people with a 2015 device, and so have no reason to justify an upgrade; want the newest thing but can't so complain instead.

My 13" 2016 Macbook Pro is coming in from Adorama next week, and it's replacing an almost 7-year old iMac and I'm stoked.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to upgrade after a year or less of ownership.

 

[MH01]

You are talking about something else. He accused me of being an "fanatical Apple fanboy". My posting history probably shows more criticisms of Apple than compliments. That was my point. Keep b'n brilliant.

it's okay to disagree without personal snipes ? No? Please reread this thread and try to rationalise where it went wrong, don't need a posting history, its just here

And back on topic , care to explain how you came to the conclusion for your title?

The link you sent is statistically flawed.....do you actually think those are the laptops the MacBook Pro competes against? Whoever put that together just wanted page clicks ....it's got no substance to actual sales as its ..... revenue....

 

[Glideslope]

So one of my coworkers finally got his. He's had various crashes, touch ID acting up, and so on. After a day, his summary: "I can unequivicolly state you should NOT buy a new MBP. It’s buggy as f***"

Of the early adopters I know, the repair-or-return rate is >80%, and the return rate is >50%.

It's got better CPU/GPU than previous gen, which people were waiting for a long time, and that's created a huge number of orders... But actual user satisfaction is very low. Incredibly low by Apple standards.

Any Apple early adopter takes a risk with Apple today. I also think when talking numbers it's very important to note the article does not differentiate between Personal Use Orders and Enterprise Orders. IMO, If you look at the numbers you would see a MBP with the largest Enterprise Orders in history. This of course brings the total up. Expect a price drop in March 2017.

 

[Jaekae]

1-2 years? Nope... Eventually? Sure USC C will take over but by the time that happens most of these 2016 will be in the scrap heap..



In some ways it is better.. Depends on the persons needs, wants and how much they want to spend. Discounting the 2015 as a pile of junk, as you've done and continue to do in numerous threads there, is foolish and childish...

You probably havent learnt that usb-c is just the connector type and all existing usb devices that has a cable with double ends can be run on a for example microusb-> usb-c cable instead, it doesnt need to be usb-c to usb-c on devices, but thats what new devices will be in not so long time i guess, most new devices will probably have usb-c port on the device and ship with both usb-c->usb cable and usb-c->usb-c during transition phase (for example the new lacie usbc drives come with both cables included)