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Wow! Look at this. Could the 16 tb MBp be the most successful laptop ever?
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Just replied to the part where you thought usb-c is something that need to waitfor until the 2016 computers are getting rusty. Which is wrong since most current devices can be used with usb-c cables..
Let me 'try' and make it easy for you to understand.....
Businesses are NOT going to run out and buy USC C adapters by the millions to outfit their existing systems and equipment..
Schools are most definitely NOT going to buy 14.7 billion adapters to outfit existing equipment..
Businesses and schools are NOT going to go out and spend trillions updating their PC's or existing equipment to USB C...
Is that easy enough to understand?
In case you forgot this was the original exchange:
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If Apple releases a laptop worthwhile in 2 years time then most people can just sell their refurbs and buy the new one. The latest macbooks will depreciate more in value as they have just been released. It is a win win situation with last generations macbook pro due to the depreciated price and current lack of prevalence of USB C. USB C isn't taking over for the next couple of years, until then enjoy the dongles while we enjoy our ports, magsafe, more money in our pockets and refined performance with no issues.
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I can't help but think your maths is a little off there...
Either way it isn't a day 1 switch to EVERYTHING USB-C now is it? It's a gradual switch using USB hubs, and devices with USB-A, and C outputs. Eventually yes everything will be USB-C, but it's likely going to take 10 years before USB-A becomes completely obsolete.
Yes I exaggerated my numbers a little to get the point across..
The statement made by @TechZeke is 100% accurate in my opinion..
It could take schools years to adapt because they operate on a very limited budget.. Once USB C becomes more mainstream they will slowly phase it in as they replace dead equipment sure enough but that could take years...
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Honestly only scanned so sorry if anything caused offence there.
It will be a gradual thing but I don't think it'll be too costly as USB-C is none proprietary, unlike shifts to HDMI or Thunderbolt etc. It's a great port which should mean only carrying a single adapter or having a single cable rather than multiple units. So I think the cost of switching will be offset somewhat be the benefits.
I would call it a triumph of Apple over the years. MacBooks sales have been improving steadily for the past decade, and slowly eating into Windows market. Each year we are getting more users switching into the Macs, combine that with Apple's recent sloppy releases, I bet there are a lot of people waiting to get their Macs refreshed. So once the new "design" is released, you got all these orders coming in.
I don't have an issue with usb-c, even tough I consider apple being apple for not including at least one usb-a port. Just to be consistent with their own devices (iphone, ipod, ipad...). But of course fanboys won't understand this
But the thing I really have an issue is touch bar. Unnecessary gimmick. Period. Ok, include it as an option, but give us an option for purchasing mbp without this gimmick. The second thing I have a problem is battery. Lousy, lousy battery on 15 mbp. Third thing is performance. Have been waiting for so long for refresh, only to get similar performance as 2015 version? And the last thing would be bugs. From stuck keys, to graphic issues.
I know a lot of you don't mind these 'small' issues. But I do. Especially for the asking price. And yes, I have owned 15" version of new MBP. And have returned it. But to all of the fanboys out there, do any of you still remember the mantra 'it just works' ? Obviously not.
Here is the best review of the new MBP (imho of course!):
I totally agree. Had the MacBook for a while and not once did I have any use for the touch bar. Basically if you touch type you always look at the screen, so why the need to look down. Surely this is how most pro's work, as you are using the computer most days and are fluent in its use. Trying to make an additional function that purely repeats options available on screen or via the touch pad are next to useless.
It is Apple making the pro for beginners and mine went back too. I could not justify the cost for something that is such a small improvement over my previous MBP's.
Tend to agree, 18 months using a Retina MacBook in a professional capacity, have yet to see "one" peripheral that can natively connect to it`s USB C port. Undoubtedly USB C is coming, equally we are still several years off. Apple flipping the MBP to only USB C in 2016 is more of an inconvenience than anything else. Nor do I see things rapidly changing as a result. As the brutal reality is that there are too few Mac`s operating in the real world.
If we were all to be brutally honest no one wants dongles & adaptors, however we are stuck with them for a time to some extents.
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I usually judge transition by what the motherboard manafactures offer
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gig...e-sata3-6gb-s-pcie-30-4-way-sli-crossfire-atx
The reality of the situation is that USB 2.0 very much has its uses still and USB 3.1 is actually being offered as a type A and type C connector, thus slowing transition of USB C . We are still many years away from usbC replacing type A connectors.... to be Blunt USB 3.1 is here, USB-c is quite a few years away from being considered the go to, the 2016-2017 are going to be dependent on dongles for anything made to support PCs.
Yup people with money to blow can go and find accessories that are specifically made for USB-c connectors, but that has always been the case , be it TB , FireWire etc...many businesss happy to make money off apple users.
In simple form I see no value in inconveniencing myself or risk issue for the two years I will use the computer professionally for. Better to have a notebook with ports that are relevant, yes adaptors are still required, however the number is limited and the complexity low.
Apple have effected this IMHO for aesthetic & production cost reason, Had the MBP retained the previous ports, swapping TB-2 for USB C/TB-3 I believe this would have been a great solution as we would have a portable Mac with relevant ports for today and the future, yes this would have resulted in a marginally larger chassis, and of course higher capacity battery.
Anyway the new MacBook is apparently selling very well, so who am I to say, equally the 2016 MBP remains to be overly compromised for my own professional needs, come 2018/2020 they may be worth considering again.
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I'm not saying USB-C won't take over eventually, but I can't see it happening in 1-2 years. Especially when the vast majority of Macs and PCs in use will continue to have no USB-C ports at all, meaning the market for such devices will stay small; and as people are upgrading less frequently now, this will undoubtedly stay the case into 2018. I predict at the very least 3 years until USB-C can truly substitute USB-A, with the amount of devices available and lack of a price premium over comparable USB-A devices.
USB-C is a terrific standard. But this is why transition-period ports are important, and why Apple has historically included them on PowerBooks or MacBook Pros (legacy SCSI + USB, legacy FireWire 400 + 800, legacy FireWire 800 + Thunderbolt).
It doesn't surprise me too much because if you cut through the noise Apple just made a really amazing laptop. The best I've ever used. I mean go down the list, it's got the best screen, speakers, trackpad and IMO keyboard out of any laptop I've used, so pretty much every way I interact with the computer is improved. The processor may have stagnated because of intel but they made the SSD, RAM, GPU and ports faster, so just about every internal system is faster. I just flat out really enjoy using the thing. I could understand it not working for everyone but for me they built a really great laptop that handles everything I need and I actually enjoy using.
This must be false, "bring former Apple buyers back to Mac?", Currently Apple-Mac users are probably at its biggest share of the market ever. For the past 16 years people were jumping on the Apple bandwagon.
This is where you are wrong, almost everything out there now is still using USB-A and USB-C is the rarity. That means, if you plan to use any printers, controllers, bluray drives, external HDDs/SSDs that you buy today int he next 2-3 years you better stick with the older format and not upgrade.
Even if it doesn't, people will buy the 2019 Macbooks which will be far more superior than your MBP '16 and laugh at you for being an early adopter who had to struggle with bugs and dongles and is now stuck with the older specs.
As an owner of the 2012 retina MacBook, spot on! I wish I waited for the 2013 model