Wow... seeing iOS 6 and Android 4.1 did something for me....

[fins831]

Buster Heine from Cult of Mac switched to a Google Nexus from an iPhone 4S after having Joe Brown from Gizmodo on their Cultcast the other week. They were talking about iOS 6 and how stale it feels and Buster thought he'd try out an Android phone to see what else was out there. Note, this wasn't because he was 'sick' of iOS, but because he thought he owed it to himself to see what else was out there, even though he prefers the iPhone.

His recent tweets, and he's not biased, state what has always been my number one problem with Android; responsiveness of the touch screen.

"Jelly Bean's new "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" feature has made some huge improvements for my Nexus' touch responsiveness".

But ...

"Still not on par with the iPhone, but getting closer. That small lag in responsiveness is the most repulsive part of Android phones".

It's the one thing I've always noticed straight away when trying out demo units or friends units when it comes to Android devices. I've no idea why they cannot replicate the 'instant' responsiveness of the iOS device screens.

Android wasn't designed for touch screen, it was designed for physical keyboard and they added it in later and the programming got all jumbled, and therefore there is lag, I could get more detailed, but just google it. lol

Basically they need to redo the Android programming to fix the issue.

 

[DeepIn2U]

ActiveSync used to be problematic with 2.2 and below Google releases (ODM releases worked) but since Gingerbread I have not had/heard of any issue. I have used it with Exchange 2010 daily with 2.3.6, 3.2 and now 4.1.

About the apps - if you check backup and restore in settings - the apps are auto installed unless there is permissions change or version incompatibility. Not sure why you are not seeing that behavior.

This is not on by default for JellyBean. Also the last Android device was Moto Razr, months ago, same account used as well.

4..0.4, & 4.1.1 have multiple unresolved threads in setting up "Corporate", "Mail", or Accounts for either in Settings.

I'm using the correct OWA server address, and the correct domain(we only use 1) and the correct password (not expired and verified on VPN, which I can change at will over VPN or remotely using "ADmanager" app on its or similar on android. I've even tried two URL addresses for webmail server and confirmed these same settings work with ios along with auto discover is enabled on the server. I've also tried on another Galaxy Nexus running 4.1 used by a colleague and also tried on 4.1.1; he cannot use his corporate account either.

Oh well I'll try again tomorrow.

 

[parapup]

I'm using the correct OWA server address, and the correct domain(we only use 1) and the correct password

So auto discovery doesn't work for you? For me I just need to enter email and password - rest is auto discovered. May be that's your problem - OWA server address is typically not what is used for ActiveSync.

 

[DeepIn2U]

So auto discovery doesn't work for you? For me I just need to enter email and password - rest is auto discovered. May be that's your problem - OWA server address is typically not what is used for ActiveSync.

You are correct. But it's enabled but doesn't work - I've also double checked my account name to ensure case sensitivity was not the case (something I noticed at work troubleshooting several users). Either way Auto Discovery nor using manual setup doesn't work.

I'll stop using this thread as its taking off the main point of it. Sorry everyone.

 

[TheRainKing]

I looked at a video of Android 4.1 on YouTube and to be honest, its way too ugly for me to use it. No matter how many features google add, their OS always looks visually unappealing. Unfortunately, Apple seem to be going that way with iOS 6.

 

[naveah]

Ready to throw away my iPad after my Nexus 7 arrives - just wish there was a iTunes U clone for Android.

No, no, don't throw away the iPad. This poor college student could surely put it to good use.

 

[baaadboy]

Android wasn't designed for touch screen, it was designed for physical keyboard and they added it in later and the programming got all jumbled, and therefore there is lag, I could get more detailed, but just google it. lol

Basically they need to redo the Android programming to fix the issue.

Well this argument can go both ways. Apple used OS X's kernel for iOS, and OS X wasn't designed with touch screen in mind as well.

 

[pdjudd]

Well this argument can go both ways. Apple used OS X's kernel for iOS, and OS X wasn't designed with touch screen in mind as well.

Except the original Android OS wasn’t built for touch either - the mobile OS was designed akin to the Blackberry. iOS on the other hand was built for Touch from day one. I think you are confusing the kernel from the higher interfaces.

 

[Dolorian]

I looked at a video of Android 4.1 on YouTube and to be honest, its way too ugly for me to use it. No matter how many features google add, their OS always looks visually unappealing. Unfortunately, Apple seem to be going that way with iOS 6.

What changes has Apple made in iOS 6 that make iOS visually unappealing? I don't see any such changes.

 

[einmusiker]

I agree android is better than ios at this stage, but you should have gotten a galaxy s3 or razr maxx or better yet waited for the razr hd. The nexus has notorious reception issues similar to iphone 4 and im not sure if jellybean has completely resolved it

 

[Chabba]

What changes has Apple made in iOS 6 that make iOS visually unappealing? I don't see any such changes.

The changing color of the status bar looks terrible, regardless of the app IMO. That's the biggest (or only?) thing I'm aware of.

 

[fins831]

Well this argument can go both ways. Apple used OS X's kernel for iOS, and OS X wasn't designed with touch screen in mind as well.

Yeah thats not true. Sorry, try again

 

[Zcott]

I agree android is better than ios at this stage, but you should have gotten a galaxy s3 or razr maxx or better yet waited for the razr hd.

Says the person whose signature says "I <3 GoOgle"!

 

[cocky jeremy]

Bye bye

Now please don't feel the need to hang around here be bash your former phone, cause really, no one cares.

Yup. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[advan031]

I'm on the same boat being a little bored with iOS so I bought a Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 to give Android a shot. I still love Apple though

 

[Saladinos]

I've had a galaxy nexus for a while (waiting for an AOKP jellybean ROM as I want a battery percentage and not just an icon in the status bar).

Androids OS has some nice features, like Intents for integrating between applications. Unfortunately, this forces you to use their Activity-based app workflow, which is a little awkward for mobile apps because the Activity pattern is designed for a web-like app workflow (click links and go back). There are lots of nuances to this pattern which can make designing apps somewhat awkward.

Personally, I also greatly prefer the iOS SDK - I feel like it's way more powerful, and provides a lot of fantastically useful things to build great apps, and is constantly improving in important ways (including iOS6 - UICollectionView is going to help people create apps that will blow your mind. UIGestureRecognizer has made using and combining gestures a walk in the park). The documentation is great and really extensive, and the tools (like LLVM/Clang, LLDB) are the best available anywhere (and open-source).

by contrast, the Android SDK doesn't provide all that much built-in, and the things it does provide aren't as powerful or extendable as that provided by Apple. The documentation is really pretty shoddy (with the excuse presumably being that it's open-source and you can look up implementations yourself. No thanks), and Google results are often ironically filled with thousands of copies of outdated java docs than anything useful.

When you consider all of that, it's no surprise that my biggest complaint living with Android is the apps. They're just not as engaging as on iOS. Google has been trying to better this with a campaign to pretty app UIs and improve documentation, but IMO that's just missing the point. The point is not that iOS apps have a prettier UI with fanci graphics, but that they can leverage the iOS SDK and experiment with new ways to engage users - new ways to present information, new ways to interact with it. Working on iOS devices often doesn't feel like doing work at all - because developers there have time and tools to build new interaction patterns.

Android is a nice OS, but the apps are really poor. Don't switch.

 

[luk492]

Never will I change my iphone for an andoir phone! fanboy

 

[einmusiker]

Says the person whose signature says "I <3 GoOgle"!

so what??? they have a lot of products

 

[rnbgrilla]

It's not about conversation, it's about being able to understand context. Siri's not perfect, but it's pretty good so far. With Siri you don't need to use any specific commands, or ask it something in a particular way, you simply ask whatever you want however you would normally -- this way there's no learning curve.

Google Now's about retrieving information -- and about presenting it to you depending on where you are and what you're doing, Siri's about... becoming like the computer in Star Trek, but smarter. Still far from it though

We'll Said, Well Said

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Never will I change my iphone for an andoir phone! fanboy

I did & wish I never, me thinking oh yeah HTC evo bigger screen 4G blah blah, & so on, but it just did not feel right THE UI is so ugly, the icons look like a 5yr drew it! Point is even a jail broken iPhone is 100X better if ur into changing anything or anything on ur iPhone. Who cares about moving wallpaper sure it's cool at first But It's Just A GIF, & gets boring So Fast Not To mention it kills the battery, nuff Said

 

[nuckinfutz]

I've had a galaxy nexus for a while (waiting for an AOKP jellybean ROM as I want a battery percentage and not just an icon in the status bar).

Androids OS has some nice features, like Intents for integrating between applications. Unfortunately, this forces you to use their Activity-based app workflow, which is a little awkward for mobile apps because the Activity pattern is designed for a web-like app workflow (click links and go back). There are lots of nuances to this pattern which can make designing apps somewhat awkward.

Personally, I also greatly prefer the iOS SDK - I feel like it's way more powerful, and provides a lot of fantastically useful things to build great apps, and is constantly improving in important ways (including iOS6 - UICollectionView is going to help people create apps that will blow your mind. UIGestureRecognizer has made using and combining gestures a walk in the park). The documentation is great and really extensive, and the tools (like LLVM/Clang, LLDB) are the best available anywhere (and open-source).

by contrast, the Android SDK doesn't provide all that much built-in, and the things it does provide aren't as powerful or extendable as that provided by Apple. The documentation is really pretty shoddy (with the excuse presumably being that it's open-source and you can look up implementations yourself. No thanks), and Google results are often ironically filled with thousands of copies of outdated java docs than anything useful.

When you consider all of that, it's no surprise that my biggest complaint living with Android is the apps. They're just not as engaging as on iOS. Google has been trying to better this with a campaign to pretty app UIs and improve documentation, but IMO that's just missing the point. The point is not that iOS apps have a prettier UI with fanci graphics, but that they can leverage the iOS SDK and experiment with new ways to engage users - new ways to present information, new ways to interact with it. Working on iOS devices often doesn't feel like doing work at all - because developers there have time and tools to build new interaction patterns.

Android is a nice OS, but the apps are really poor. Don't switch.

Most of the people on these forums are just users so they don't peel back the sheetmetal and look at the engine. If iOS 6 is unimpressive as new iOS with consumer it's likely the total opposite for developers. Lot's of stuff have been added to make it easier to differentiate app.

I can't really tell someone what OS is better. That's a questions that cannot be answered without knowing more about particular persons needs. The most worriesome thing is this.

Unless you make a social networking app your outlook on Android is dim. If you actually need to charge money good luck. When people selling Android phones are hyping that most of the apps are free they are setting the expectation that Android apps aren't really worth anything. Why should a developer put work into dealing with the fragmentation and mundane developer tools when the end result is trying to sell apps to people who were told that apps should be free.

Androids lack of a credible desktop environment and and reticence from consumers to buy apps is going to stagnate the platform.

 

[urkel]

To be honest, I'm not exactly sure why I'm still so loyal to Apple. I haven't been blown away by anything they've done in years but I feel too entrenched in Apples ecosystem that I can't leave.

- Two AppleTVs (I use AirPlay sometimes but boy is it slow)
- iTunes (Garbage software that I put up with because it does work...kinda)
- Aperture Photo Sync (All my photos sync easily)
- Hundreds of dollars in apps (99% I don't use and Android does seem to have the main ones I use)
- Too much nostalgia (Love apple products. Dont love the new Apple)

I don't want to leave Apple and I probably won't, but I did just sell my iPad3 and went back to the ipad2 without missing a step so that frees p $700 to invest in the competition. I'll probably get a $200 nexus7 and give Android a fair shot, and if I can figure out how to wedge it in my life I may consider Android for my next phone.

 

[Saladinos]

Most of the people on these forums are just users so they don't peel back the sheetmetal and look at the engine. If iOS 6 is unimpressive as new iOS with consumer it's likely the total opposite for developers. Lot's of stuff have been added to make it easier to differentiate app.

I can't really tell someone what OS is better. That's a questions that cannot be answered without knowing more about particular persons needs. The most worriesome thing is this.

Unless you make a social networking app your outlook on Android is dim. If you actually need to charge money good luck. When people selling Android phones are hyping that most of the apps are free they are setting the expectation that Android apps aren't really worth anything. Why should a developer put work into dealing with the fragmentation and mundane developer tools when the end result is trying to sell apps to people who were told that apps should be free.

Androids lack of a credible desktop environment and and reticence from consumers to buy apps is going to stagnate the platform.

Yeah, it's hard to explain why the platform is so much better from a technical perspective, but the resulting app quality is easy to see.

As an android developer, the platform frustrates me. As an android user, I can understand why developers just can't build the kinds of experiences on Android that they can on iOS (or at least certainly not as easily).

Also, note that to transfer files from your mac to your nexus, you'll have to download some PoS file transfer application. It doesn't just show up like a USB drive any more (technical limitation of the USB drive protocol, presumably the same reason Apple doesn't support it).

 

[NumberNine]

Not really. I don't usually feel the need to post on internet forums to "feel better about myself." I am not sure if this is something you practice. I guess some people have different ways of emotionally supporting themselves. If you feel the need to post something to feel better, then more power to you.

I am simply starting a discussion of how iOS 6 left me wanting more and how Android was able to lure me in when it comes to my personal cell phone. I mean this is a DISCUSSION FORUM, right?

You would think it is a discussion forum but unfortunately some people here get very butt hurt over anything that is the slightest bit pro-Android.

 

[nuckinfutz]

You would think it is a discussion forum but unfortunately some people here get very butt hurt over anything that is the slightest bit pro-Android.

because there's a whole lot of astroturfing going on.

 

[bidwalj]

IMO, both os's estentislly do the same thing and get the same job done. Sure they offer differences but nothing really makes the experience totally different.


After using an os for so long, it's easy be amazed by something that's different.