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Love Apple Music tried them all and I always come back to it for the most music and best sound quality. Also there is a pretty good working web player now that is always improving I use when iTunes acts up. There Android app is updated and is much more stable then in the past.

As for Spotify it's so overrated. Sound quality stinks and they are missing many albums.
I agree about the music quality but I wish AM would at least provide daily mix type lists. Their recommended lists are repeats over and over
 
Don't care what anyone says...When iPhones come with Apple Music preloaded, and the Music app/iTunes bombards you with Apple Music ads, it isn't a level playing ground.

Even diehard Apple fans shouldn't be happy - fair competition is good for consumers.

Edit: For those saying they don't recall seeing the pop-ups, you can Google iOS Apple Music pop-ups/ads to see websites/forum posts about it and turning off Apple Music in general.
You can remove Apple Music from the phone and iTunes is not required on your PC. Spotify is a free app on the App store. How is that not fair?

Oh, and iPhone was an iPod before there ever was a Spotify, I do not believe the fact that Apple's music app was upgraded to include a streaming service changes this fact.
 
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I don't think it's that subjective. The gulf in quality between them is incredibly apparent. And AM has a distinct focus on RnB, rap, hip hop-type stuff. It infiltrates everywhere - even chill themed playlists with no apparent hip hop or electronic theme will have an abundance of hip hop beats and auto-tuned nonsense. Unless you avoid the curated playlists entirely you can't dodge it.

I fired up iTunes a few minutes ago to check out the Apple Music content. I used iTunes and AM for years (and my library is big) so Apple should have plenty of data on my listening habits.

- Can't make it more than a few songs in any of the chilled playlists. What is this garbage. All some combination of auto-tuned, hip hop, way too out there ambient, instrumental and old stuff.
- The slight lag when selecting anything and when tracks start is annoying when you're used to Spotify.
- The mixes in the For You tab are hilariously bad. The track lists have many glaring issues, but even a few cursory skips around the opening tracks are awful.
- The New Music mix is especially bad considering just earlier I wrapped up my Release Radar in Spotify. How can Spotify find 30 awesome songs for me and Apple has nothing but weird not-very-new stuff? Because Spotify knows how machine learning works.
- The Browse section of iTunes has become even more unintuitive to use. Man it's a chore finding playlists.
- The emphasis on hip hop is ridiculously strong. I lose the will to live when I hear that Chris Brown-esque s**t start to play in every conceivable playlist.

Everyone in my family has access to Apple Music through my AM Family plan (which I keep for my mom - she just listens to her uploaded stuff). No one but her uses it. AM has virtually no value in discovering great new music. We're all using either Spotify, Play Music or YouTube Music.
Well I don't know what you're talking about. Obviously the more you use apple music and rate songs the better it gets. I'm not seeing the rap and hip hop others complain about and i'm discovering more music than ever before while spotify started getting stale by repeating so much. I only left spotify and returned to apple music a couple of weeks ago.

I've never been a fan of release radar in spotify nor the mixes which get weird at times with what's in there.
The for you section has been fantastic for me. I'm finding all sorts of new stuff. And again, it gets better the more you rate.
I'm not seeing any lag.
It's easy for me to find what i'm after. But I use it more than you do so that makes sense. I've always found spotify to be a mess when trying to find things. That was always my number one complaint with spotify, just too cluttered. The itunes program itself is a mess and needs an overhaul. In terms of navigation and finding stuff i'm only referring to the phone app.

To me this sounds like you just don't really use apple music, don't rate much, and thus you're finding it's not adapting to your tastes. Which of course makes sense. The more you use it and rate the better it gets.
 
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Not sure why people are willing to pay so much for audio compared to video services. The cost to produce movies/series is an order of magnitude more than producing music.
 
Well they just had a free three month subscription and I bet half of those people forgot to cancel..... including me
 
If you put a lot of work into your iTunes library and like creating smart playlist like I've done AM is better. If you like free music with ads and lower sound quality (yuk) free spotify is better. I don't think I know many people with a spotify subscription that aren't getting for free or discounted as a package.

Not sure if Spotify offers a yearly fee but if not technically a yearly AM subscription could be cheaper vs Spotify. 100 vs 120 a year. Even if I changed to an Android phone I'd stick with AM at this point anyway. If they really want to win over customers bring in a lossless file format. :D
 
The one metric I've noticed that seems to be a tick in the Spotify column is that anytime anyone wants to share a playlist online, like, "here's my playlist of songs from last night's episode of x" it's *always* a Spotify list. People rarely share Apple Music playlists, which is a shame for folks like me who have only ever been Apple Music subscribers. Well, I was an Rdio subscriber before, but they got eaten, alas.
 
Now wait’ll these users build up libraries and playlists and realize that they can get a speaker with the best sound in its price category built specifically for Apple Music.

I’m old enough to remember when MacRumors users pointed to the first and second generation Apple Watch and called it a flop and how “nobody wears watches”. I’ll be here in a couple more years when HomePod is in its third year and a must have gadget for the tens of millions of Apple Music subscribers who want better audio than a $30 tin can.
 
The one metric I've noticed that seems to be a tick in the Spotify column is that anytime anyone wants to share a playlist online, like, "here's my playlist of songs from last night's episode of x" it's *always* a Spotify list. People rarely share Apple Music playlists, which is a shame for folks like me who have only ever been Apple Music subscribers. Well, I was an Rdio subscriber before, but they got eaten, alas.

You can search for user playlist in Apple Music itself. My “Cloud of Sils Maria” soundtrack playlist is great. :D Search it and you’ll find it.

I think the reason could be because Spotify exists way longer than Apple Music which is only 3-4 years old? So Apple Music users might not get used to share songs that much even though I saw people added my playlists all the time.
 
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Sad day... Apple Music is still objectively worse than Spotify....

How do you define “objectively worse”? Available track count? Apple Music takes it. Number of people willing to pay for it?Well, Apple takes that now too.

Quality of suggested playlists? Well, now you’re getting subjective. What I like and what you like are totally different. I love the songs that are played for me when I ask Siri to play something.

Even deciding which metric(s) to take into account is subjective in of itself.

So, no. It’s not “objectively better” other than in your own head.
 
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I was fine with Apple Music until my promotional Verizon subscription lapsed (I was intending to renew). It was then that I discovered that Apple essentially took ownership of the previously created playlists on my idevices and when it lapsed Apple erased all playlists--built from *owned* music and which had existed prior to getting a subscription.

It was quite the drag to reconstruct them from my computer and bring them up to date. I'm trying out Spotify, since I don't like the merger of purchased and rented music. Though the writing is on the wall that none of us will be able to buy music in a few years--it will all be music services.
 
I was fine with Apple Music until my promotional Verizon subscription lapsed (I was intending to renew). It was then that I discovered that Apple essentially took ownership of the previously created playlists on my idevices and when it lapsed Apple erased all playlists--built from *owned* music and which had existed prior to getting a subscription.

It was quite the drag to reconstruct them from my computer and bring them up to date. I'm trying out Spotify, since I don't like the merger of purchased and rented music. Though the writing is on the wall that none of us will be able to buy music in a few years--it will all be music services.
Turn on icloud music library in settings and all your playlists come back, just as you had them.

First time that happened to me I was pretty mad. Where are my playlists?! Turn on icloud music and they were all there again.
I also use songshift to keep my apple music and spotify playlists in sync.
 
Great! I'm finally ready to switch over to Apple Music even though the last time I tried it, it was a total mess.

Before I do, let's just verify:

1. They fixed the problem of horribly slow buffering, right? Oh....

2. I can now play all my streaming Apple Music on PS4 and Chromecast now, though, right? Oh....

3. Well, at least they've changed Apple Music so the recommendations aren't all hip hop, right? Oh....

Spotify it is then!
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Agree 100%
 
You can search for user playlist in Apple Music itself. My “Cloud of Sils Maria” soundtrack playlist is great. :D Search it and you’ll find it.

I think the reason is Spotify exist way longer than Apple Music which is only 3-4 years old? So Apple Music users might not get used to share songs that much even though I saw people added my playlists all the time.

i know! That's an excellent point. I have found so many good tracks listening to playlists curated by other AM users through a simple search. It's pretty incredible--makes me wonder if any of these people and I should go have a beer or something. :D

I treid to look up your playlist, but came up empty. Probably a regional thing, as I am in Canada. That might be a downside I hadn't considered.
 
"Apple Music will be a failure, they're too late, etc."
This gives me hope for TV+, if they put enough effort into making it the best I think the market will catch on. Also, did I misunderstand or are they going to offer per channel subscriptions?
I was just thinking the same thing. Maybe not underestimate their determination into this new focus. I just wish I had gotten the memo in some Tim Cook speech about how he sees the future as 'digital services' industry. Maybe I missed it.
 
I treid to look up your playlist, but came up empty. Probably a regional thing, as I am in Canada. That might be a downside I hadn't considered.

Oh really? I didn’t know only US user can add this playlist.. :eek:
 

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I really don't understand the people in this thread claiming Apple Music is on par with Spotify for the quality of curated, personalised and generated playlists. It's not even close. And it's pretty well known that Apple has problems with machine learning technologies. Siri is dumb as a rock, Apple Music playlists and recommendations are all over the place and Apple is writing blank cheques left and right to sign up the best machine learning talent.
You need to update your Siri sucks firmware. Not sure why you think she’s dumb or the playlists are bad. Post something specific or it’s just generic hate.
 
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I'm not subscribed to either service but listen to Spotify free daily. I don't even think about opening/subscribing Apple music. Apple's music selection just isn't there.
 
I don’t remember being bombarded. Now how I define bombarded is what youtube does. They put a pop up every other day on my feed. No matter how many times I click no, they push their protube or whatever on me.

This is very annoying with google!
 
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