[WW] Friend... or foe? : GAME OVER WOLVES WIN

[twietee]

Unfortunately, I am not entirely sure how accurate my own personal tally is. I will have to re-read some of the posts.

Hmmm, me too it seems. You and Moyank both with three votes now guess, thread moves too fast for me. Sorry, for the confusion!

But a fresh re-evaluation would be welcome!

 

[ravenvii]

Ugh, the AM in the deadline is a typo. It's tonight, not this morning.

Thanks Don't panic for the heads up.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Okay.

Well then, a tie changes things somewhat.

While I still suspect Don't Panic, it seems that self-preservation (not an over-riding imperative, but a necessary one) compels me to vote for Moyank and move away from Don't Panic.

Still, as I am not entirely assured of her innocence, either, it may not be a wasted vote.

 

[Moyank24]

Okay.

Well then, a tie changes things somewhat.

While I still suspect Don't Panic, it seems that self-preservation (not an over-riding imperative, but a necessary one) compels me to vote for Moyank and move away from Don't Panic.

Still, as I am not entirely assured of her innocence, either, it may not be a wasted vote.

I assure you, it is.

I'm not sure exactly why I'm so suspicious. I received first day votes, along with the other wolf from the last game and voted in self defense. Then, I voted to save my partner, who was not a wolf, and was innocently lynched.

So, it's just about participation?

 

[Scepticalscribe]

The voting sequence is not entirely clear, as the posts of some individuals have been confusing - and possibly confused.

As of now, I seem to have three votes. Meister has one, which he bestowed upon himself, when no threat was in sight, and for no apparent reason.

Moyank has three, and Don't Panic has one, as I have moved my vote away from him with the greatest of reluctance.

Scepticalscribe: (3) (Sythas, Melrose, and Don't Panic)

Meister: (1) (Meister)

Moyank: (3) (twietee, Queen of Spades, Scepticalscribe)

Don't Panic: (1) (Moyank)

For now, as we have neither Seer reports nor any input from a Hunter, I think it might be useful to make a list of those who were (and still are) twinned, and see if any conclusions can be drawn from this tally.

The original pairings were:

Queen of Spades and Plutonius. (The latter is now deceased, killed at night).

Rick Snagwell and Meister (Rick is also deceased, killed at night, I suspect to make Meister look as though he is a killer).

Moyank and Anjinha. (Anjinha is no longer with us, as a result of yesterday's lynching. Here, I must plead guilty as I was the person who pushed this one most).

Syhtas & Tomorrow. (Tomorrow died the first day, as a result of a lynching).

Don't Panic & Melrose: They are both still with us.

Scepticalscribe and twietee. For now, both of us are still here.

 

[Moyank24]

At this point, in self defense: scepticalscribe

 

[Scepticalscribe]

I assure you, it is.

I'm not sure exactly why I'm so suspicious. I received first day votes, along with the other wolf from the last game and voted in self defense. Then, I voted to save my partner, who was not a wolf, and was innocently lynched.

So, it's just about participation?

Yes, to a certain extent.

In my experience, the more vocal tend to attract more attention; the best strategy for wolves is to fly under the radar and not attract attention to themselves until relatively late.

It is a highly successful strategy, and has worked on many occasions.

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At this point, in self defense: scepticalscribe

The inevitable move.

 

[Meister]

i have to second scepticalscribe on this.
a self vote is almost always pointless

you are part of a team. you are expected, by your teammates and your adversaries, even the dead ones, to play to the best of your abilities to win the game. that is how the game gets fun.
there are very few situations where a self-vote is helping the team.
in any other case, vote for someone else

I might be a rookie, but I am not completely retarded

 

[Moyank24]

Yes, to a certain extent.

In my experience, the more vocal tend to attract more attention; the best strategy for wolves is to fly under the radar and not attract attention to themselves until relatively late.

It is a highly successful strategy, and has worked on many occasions.

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The inevitable move.

Well, it's not working very well this game, is it? I've been on the block 2/3 days.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

I might be a rookie, but I am not completely retarded

But why vote for yourself? It is a completely irrational and self-defeating - and indeed, village defeating - move.

As things stand, there is no reason whatsoever to do this; you are not in danger, and your vote could make a difference to the outcome. And I do not write this merely because I am in the mix; I'd say it if no tumbril awaited me.

 

[Meister]

The Hunter is one of two 'Core' village roles. The other is the Seer.

During Night Time, the Wolves send a PM to the Game God with the name of the player they wish to have killed. This is usually carried out unless that player has been protected by the Hunter that night.

Of the two Core village roles, each also has a night time action, conveyed by PM to the GG. The Seer can ask to examine an individual, and that will reveal that individual's true role, which is why a Seer is very valuable to the village and such a target to the wolves.

Likewise, the Hunter sends a name each night to the GG; this is a player to be protected; if the wolves attempt a kill on that individual that night, the kill will not be successful. However, the Hunter cannot protect the same person two nights in a row.

Thank you for explaining again. I already knew all this.
But: So do we know wether the hunter could attempt to kill a wolf or does he just protect?

God does not seem to have disclosed this yet or maybe I missed it.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Well, it's not working very well this game, is it? I've been on the block 2/3 days.

Well, I am in the lead, for now. So, you can rest easy.

As of now, it seems that this 'wolk' (I rather like that typo, I may contemplate using it again) may be strung up.

Unjustly, and wrongly, I may add.

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Thank you for explaining again. I already knew all this.
But: So do we know wether the hunter could attempt to kill a wolf or does he just protect?

God does not seem to have disclosed this yet or maybe I missed it.

The Hunter can only protect at night in this game. The powers are completely stripped down to their basics. There is no Insta-kill. A convenient cross-bow is of little use during the day.

The only way a WW can be caught is during the daily lynching, if identified correctly.

 

[Meister]

The Hunter can only protect at night in this game. The powers are completely stripped down to their basics. There is no Insta-kill. A convenient cross-bow is of little use during the day.

Thank you! I didn't know the meaning of insta-kill.

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UPDATE:

Scepticalscribe: (4) (Sythas, Melrose, and Don't Panic, Moyank)

Meister: (1) (Meister)

Moyank: (3) (twietee, Queen of Spades, Scepticalscribe)

Deadline is 3:00 am CET --> approx. 4hours to go

 

[Moyank24]

Well, I am in the lead, for now. So, you can rest easy.

As of now, it seems that this 'wolk' (I rather like that typo, I may contemplate using it again) may be strung up.

Unjustly, and wrongly, I may add.

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The Hunter can only protect at night in this game. The powers are completely stripped down to their basics. There is no Insta-kill. A convenient cross-bow is of little use during the day.

The only way a WW can be caught is during the daily lynching, if identified correctly.

There is still plenty of time for a last minute change of vote to try and catch a baddie unawares.

I'll be honest, though. I'm not sure about you. Your reasoning for voting for both DP and I is very convenient.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

There is still plenty of time for a last minute change of vote to try and catch a baddie unawares.

I'll be honest, though. I'm not sure about you. Your reasoning for voting for both DP and I is very convenient.

And logical. It fits the facts, as we currently know them.

However, as DP is now in the clear, - and has absolutely no likelihood of being lynched tonight (rather unfortunately, but there you are) why the tone of deep concern for him?

Your DNA partner was anjinha, if I recall, and equally, I seem to recall no expressions of grief….only concern for DP, which while touching, is hardly necessary any longer in the circumstances.

And, if you are not sure about me (and nobody can doubt my active and sustained participation) then keep my name bolded. Simple.

 

[Don't panic]

Ugh, the AM in the deadline is a typo. It's tonight, not this morning.

Thanks Don't panic for the heads up.

thanks for clarifying.
we were in the middle of the discussion and then i reread the narrative and i was whaa?

I might be a rookie, but I am not completely retarded

my apologies if it came through as offensive.
i didn't mean it that way.
but i do think voting for self makes no sense

Scepticalscribe: (4) (Sythas, Melrose, and Don't Panic, Moyank)

Meister: (1) (Meister)

Moyank: (3) (twietee, Queen of Spades, Scepticalscribe)

Deadline is 3:00 am CET --> approx. 4hours to go

thanks.
i will update the spreadsheet now in case anyone wants to use it to look at all the vote flows

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...it?hl=en&authkey=CKW52esN&pli=1#gid=819995385

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Well, Meister, I think voting for yourself is a colossal waste of a vote, and is self-indulgent.

There is no logical reason whatsoever to do so.

 

[Don't panic]

Yes, I am truly a 'wolk'. I admit it. Caught. Outed. Flay me now. Bring on the votes. And the gallows. And the tumbril. Guillotine, too…..

Meanwhile, a veritable train wreck of a thread in the usual predictable quarter has distracted me from participation here.

Okay, I have read Don't Panic's eloquent defence; however, my concerns are unallayed.

Re Moyank's response, (that this is 'too easy') I gave my reasons last night, and Occam's Razor looms large.

And no, re 'coming on strong' there is neither a strong sense of self-preservation nor an approach that is either biased, nor 'too transparent'.

Rather, obvious though it may seem, I like to be reassured of the fact, and of the strength of the allegiances of both Moyank and DP and, - will admit it - that, as of the moment, I remain massively unconvinced about both as neither have persuaded me of their innocence.

Moreover, I remain astonished and surprised that DP is still with us on Day 3, and even more intrigued that we are to be denied an analysis of who he thinks may be of the lupine persuasion.

you interpreted that wrong, although i must admit it was a quite poorly and hastily written post.

i wrote:
"finally i do think SS came out a bit too strong on me (although this could also be seen as too transparent and thus her not being a wolf), but there might have a tiny bit of bias and self-preservation there"

here is a translation into more proper english:
"finally, i do think SS came out a bit too strong on me. However, this [her coming out strong] could also be seen as too transparent [a tactic for a wolf], and thus [interpreted as evidence] of her not being a wolf. [Furthermore, in my interpretation of her behaviour] there might [be] a tiny bit of bias and self preservation [on MY part, not yours]

hope this clarifies a bit

as far as more 'analysis posts', they do take some time, and -contrary to popular belief,- i do have a job, a family and a life, but not always access to a keyboard (I am an absolute disaster on the phone, reading and especially writing)

 

[Queen of Spades]

Difficulty level: 10. I like it.

Occam's razor being invoked so many times is exactly why it can be prudent, as a wolf, to diverge from it. Although the games I've found must frustrating to lose are the ones where I overthought things to a fault.

 

[Meister]

my apologies if it came through as offensive.
i didn't mean it that way.
but i do think voting for self makes no sense

Now let's apply some Meister logic to this

(1) You voted for scepticalscribe to be lynched

(2) With me voting for myself the votes are distributed 4-3 in favor of scepticalscribe being lynched

(3) If I shift my vote there is a 14% chance that I will vote for Moyank and prevent scepticalscribes lynching

(4) If I do not shift my vote scepticalscribe will be lynched

(5) You voted for scepticalscribe to be lynched


Please explain to me why you would want me to change my vote.

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Well, Meister, I think voting for yourself is a colossal waste of a vote, and is self-indulgent.

There is no logical reason whatsoever to do so.

Needless to say that it is obvious why you would want me to change my vote

 

[Meister]

I change my vote to Moyank

(I would've loved to see dp's answer, but it is too late here)

 

[Scepticalscribe]

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[/COLOR]Needless to say that it is obvious why you would want me to change my vote

No.

Vote for me, if you think I am guilty.

Just don't waste it in an irrational pout of self-indulgence.

Remember, if you are not a wolf, it is not about you. It is about your team, in this case, the village.

And, if you are a wolf, it is about your team - the wolves.

 

[Meister]

No.

Vote for me, if you think I am guilty.

Just don't waste it in an irrational pout of self-indulgence.

Remember, if you are not a wolf, it is not about you. It s about your team, in this case, the village.

I would say the same if I were you.
If I vote for myself they hang you, if I don't they might not

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UPDATE:

Scepticalscribe: (4) (Sythas, Melrose, and Don't Panic, Moyank)

Moyank: (4) (twietee, Queen of Spades, Scepticalscribe, Meister)

Deadline is 3:00 am CET --> approx. 2 hours to go

 

[Scepticalscribe]

I would say the same if I were you.
If I vote for myself they hang you, if I don't they might not

While I thank you for the changed vote, which changes a certainty into a sporting chance - I will make the observation that a vote for yourself is idiotic - and a colossal and utterly wasteful - waste in the circumstances. Vote for someone who matters - either to kill them or to save them.

You are not under threat (for now), although I wouldn't rule it out for tonight.

(By the way, - a totally innocent aside, this, - the Hunter is allowed to protect themselves at night).

 

[Queen of Spades]

But why vote for yourself? It is a completely irrational and self-defeating - and indeed, village defeating - move.

Well, Meister, I think voting for yourself is a colossal waste of a vote, and is self-indulgent.

There is no logical reason whatsoever to do so.

Vote for me, if you think I am guilty.

Just don't waste it in an irrational pout of self-indulgence.

I will make the observation that a vote for yourself is idiotic - and a colossal and utterly wasteful - waste in the circumstances.

Tell 'em how you really feel, SS.