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WWDC 2007 Keynote Scheduled: Monday, June 11th 2007

I'm just looking at the invite "You. The Leopard Engineers. Together at WWDC."

The way things are looking at the moment, that sounds like a lot of us with just a spotty intern from Apple who started last week! :p

Call me cynical, but I just don't buy Apple's line. They're taking engineers off a major OS update, to work on a project that (presumably) depends on that OS? They moved from 680x0 to PowerPC, OS9 to OSX, they moved from PowerPC to Intel, launched a raft of titles including iLife, iWork and the pro apps,developed the iPod and iTMS but the iPhone is proving too much of a challenge? There were no delays to Jaguar, Panther or Tiger which were on much tighter deadlines, but with the extra time that Leopard has had they still are stretched?

To my knowledge, Apple have never done this before - delaying a major OS release by taking engineers off to work on a (dependant) hardware project.
 
WAIT....near final beta?

Does that mean that it'll be an almost final version of Leopard in a final beta form?
Or does it mean that it'll be a very unfinished version of Leopard in an nearly finalized beta form?

Clear syntax is everything folks!! Someone clarify!
 
MongoTheGeek said:
Some thoughts.
Of course all attendees will get a copy of the feature complete buggy as hell beta. Apple may offer it for sale to the general public as a beta at that point like that did with 10.0.
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I don't think so... I mean, 10.5 is going to be revolutionary, no doubt, but... I think Apple has too much riding on Leopard right now to risk dropping a buggy version into the general public's hands, even if it is marketed as a beta.

MongoTheGeek said:
4 cores in macbook pros.
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I'm anxiously awaiting a SR MBP (need a new mac NOW, but... I'll suffer for a couple months to get SR)... and while I would cream my pants for a 4 core mac laptop... yeah. Yes! I can render HD video in a fraction of the time... and get 15, 20 minutes tops of battery life?

MongoTheGeek said:
4 cores standard in all the Mac Pros..
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Word.
 
uncompressed said:
I'm anxiously awaiting a SR MBP (need a new mac NOW, but... I'll suffer for a couple months to get SR)... and while I would cream my pants for a 4 core mac laptop... yeah. Yes! I can render HD video in a fraction of the time... and get 15, 20 minutes tops of battery life?
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Intel has a bunch of power saving stuff built in. You may only use 2 cores on battery or even 1. The others would be off. Plus it would be seriously underclocked. Power goes up by something around the cube of the clock speed. so you double the number of processors run then at 3/4 speed and have something faster that runs on less power.
 
whooleytoo said:
To my knowledge, Apple have never done this before - delaying a major OS release by taking engineers off to work on a (dependant) hardware project.
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You're correct, Apple have never openly delayed a product due to another product. Personally I think this is a good thing for both Leopard and the iPhone.

It's obvious why it is good for the iPhone but some believe this is bad for Leoaprd, I see it as a good thing. First of all Apple can spend a little bit more time getting it just right but most importantly developers will have a preview version well before the ship date. Meaning that when it ships most apps will already be good for Leopard.
 
ortuno2k said:
It doesn't matter.
Beta, near beta, near final, a few months before shipping - doesn't matter.
If you want to get a (possibly) free upgrade to Leopard, wait until they announce its exact shipping date; I assume we'll know in June or some time after that.
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I think we'll get a hard ship date for Leopard at the WWDC keynote. October 1 makes a lot of sense -- Apple often brings things out at the beginning of a quarter -- but it still seems like an awful long way off for a product that Apple had described as coming to market this spring. I'm hoping for a surprise earlier release date.

WWDC seems like an odd time for a Beatles/iPod/HD content event, but we're almost too close to WWDC for a major event.
 
My take on the Leopard delay is Apple was finding there were too many issues/bugs/unknowns with the "secret" features to do the release at-or-just-after WWDC. So Steve will do his Fantastical Magical Tour of Leopard's secret features just as he planned to do all along, but then will give the developers a near-release beta and three months to test it in "the wild" to give the Leopard developers time to work on the issues that might crop up.
 
johnee said:
actually, I thought it needed to be 4 hours.

they have to have time for the dancing monkeys, firebreathers, and butter carving contest (oh, and I heard bill gates will be chained inside a cage...)
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... best post Ive read all day. :D
 
iMacZealot said:
No, I wasn't sarcastic. I'm trying to figure out what'll take 3 hours.

>I wouldn't think they'd spend a lot of time on the iPhone. That would likely be a separate event.
>Perhaps an iPhone developer platform?
>They've already shown us a lot of Leopard, and unless if there are a ton of new features we don't know about, then this shouldn't take three hours.
>Mac Pro's: They've just been updated
>MacBook Pro's: It's possible, but it would seem a little early to be releasing Santa Rosa Mac Book Pro's.
>No iMacs, MacBooks, or Mac Mini's because this isn't that type of an event.

I just don't know what would take three hours.
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I don't think any one thing would take three hours, but in theory there's a lot of things to talk about.

Leopard itself is obviously a major update, and while it's been talked about before, it's quite possible there's a lot under the hood that's radical and will be worth spending time over.

Third party application support for the iPhone appears to be limited, but it's possible Apple will have some program to allow approved applications to be installed, and that may well mean a third party iPhone developers program.

AppleTV may also be ready to have some degree of third party developer support. Rumours have been flying about it being set up for game development, for example. The power of the thing is comparable to a Wii or original (IA) Xbox. The only thing it lacks is a decent controller.

There's no rule saying developers can't want iMacs. It's a consumer Mac but a very high end one. It's also possible, if unlikely, that something between the Mac mini and Mac Pro will be introduced. (No, the iMac is not such a beast, it's an entirely different line of computers aimed at a different market.)

It's possible that we'll see other lines of devices. The iPhone is interesting from the point of view that it may be the first of an entire line of pocketable computers, in the short term replacing the iPod (quite possibly under the iPod brand name.) Developers are going to need to know the details if Apple wants there to be third party support, so even if the iPhone is closed for now, I wouldn't count on iPhone-like-devices being closed in the same way.

There's a lot of things that may be talked about in WWDC, and it's not hard to see, if Apple is expecting to do a lot of hardware releases this year, the keynote being an hour longer than usual. The fact that not one but two entirely new platforms have been released this year (iPhone and AppleTV), albeit closed at the moment, is something that by itself should point at a lot of interesting revelations on the day.

Even if there's no open, no-phone, iPhone, or the games capabilities of the AppleTV have been over-rumored, think not just in terms of applications running on those platforms, but also where the Mac fits into the platforms, how the ecosystem of a cloud of Macs, iPhones, and AppleTVs will work.

Potentially it'll be some interesting stuff.
 
4God said:
Well, Stevie spent over an hour on the iPhone at MacWorld.
I'm guessing that (obviously) there will be iPhone info, mega
Leopard discussion, a complete refresh/change of the Cinema
Displays, and probably a long overdue update to the iMac and Mini.
Not to mention a rehash of Final Cut Server(since it will be available
in the summer) and Final Cut Studio.
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+ live music, film extracts, fireworks, dancing girls, etc., etc.
 
After everyone is drooling over the secret features and the stock hits 110 he ends the speech with "One more thing, we have decided to split the stock.":D
 
abrooks said:
You're correct, Apple have never openly delayed a product due to another product. Personally I think this is a good thing for both Leopard and the iPhone.

It's obvious why it is good for the iPhone but some believe this is bad for Leoaprd, I see it as a good thing. First of all Apple can spend a little bit more time getting it just right but most importantly developers will have a preview version well before the ship date. Meaning that when it ships most apps will already be good for Leopard.
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Whether it's good for the iPhone & Leopard depends a lot of whether you believe the reasons they've given for the delay! ;)

It's certainly good marketing for the iPhone. It emphasises both the importance of the project to Apple and the scale of the engineering feat in bringing it to the market. If anyone thought Apple was just testing the water with this device, think again. It's obvious they see it as an important new mobile computing platform.

The Leopard side of it is more murky. In a perverse way - you could argue it helps the project as (again) it emphasises the scale of the project, and their commitment to get it right rather than rush it to market; but anyway you look at it, taking developers off a project and delaying its release isn't going to help its image as an important OS release for Apple and users.
 
Gump said:
WAIT....near final beta?

Does that mean that it'll be an almost final version of Leopard in a final beta form?
Or does it mean that it'll be a very unfinished version of Leopard in an nearly finalized beta form?

Clear syntax is everything folks!! Someone clarify!
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It means nearly feature complete which is normal what Apple means when something reaches beta status. Feature complete means all of the products shipping features are available but possibly with bugs, in other words they are not going to add more features after that point just fix bugs. Of course in reality some minor features will come and go after that point.

In other words developers file important API related defects NOW or you likely will be stuck with it in Leopard.
 
Preview of June's Stevenote.

The lights dim, there is a hush over the auditorium. The spotlight comes on to show the Steve himself jogging up the steps and walking quickly to the center of the stage. As the applause fills the room, he looks down for a moment, touching the fingers of his hands together as if to pray, and then looks up, the applause subsiding

Jobs
Hello, and welcome to another Developers Conference. It's been another great year for Apple. We announced the iPhone, which I'm pleased to tell you is on track for release at the end of this month...

(the audience claps politely at each point)

Jobs (continuing)
we introduced the first 8 core Macintosh... and our new Macbooks are selling well.
And best of all, we just released Apple TV. It's a great way to watch high definition television, streamed over the Internet. You can watch movies, listen to your music, and more. And with that, I'd like you all to meet Peter Jackson to make a special announcement.

Peter Jackson walks on stage
Many of you are aware of my movies. The Lord of the Rings trilogy. King Kong. Erm. They were all hits. Now, I've just made a deal with Apple, and all my movies are available on iTunes, which means you can watch them on AppleTV.

The audience claps politely

Jobs
Thank you Peter. And to celebrate, we're actually going to watch some of his movies now. The unabridged version of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Now, many of you have noticed that this keynote is scheduled to begin at 9am, and end at noon, but what a lot of people didn't seem to notice is that these are on different days. This is our first 27 hour keynote.

There are clanking noises as restraints attached to the chairs snap into position, trapping the WWDC attendees

Peter Jackson
Now, obviously you can't see all my movies in just 27 hours, so we're scheduling another keynote where you'll see King Kong, plus the fourteen hour long unabridged version I wanted to show in theaters but the studios wouldn't let me.

James Cameron appears from behind a curtain
...and I'll be showing my special, never before seen, Director's Cut of Titanic at the same keynote.

Al Gore walks on stage
...and I have a very special edition of An Inconvenient Truth to show which I'll be talking about at the end of this keynote.

Steve Jobs
...plus I'll show the latest "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ads. They really are hilarious. That PC guy is so dumb. Huhhuhuh. So, anyway, on with the show.

The spotlight comes off, and to groans in the audience, the Lord of the Rings cycle begins.

Steve stands at the side of the stage and nods to his guests
Wow. This is, I think, the best keynote we've ever had, and I really mean that. We're demonstrating the best features of AppleTV, with the best movies. Two insanely great ideas, melded together. It "just works".
 
Erasmus said:
BOO!!! :mad:
Apple Statement
iPhone has already passed several of its required certification tests and is on schedule to ship in late June as planned. We can’t wait until customers get their hands (and fingers) on it and experience what a revolutionary and magical product it is. However, iPhone contains the most sophisticated software ever shipped on a mobile device, and finishing it on time has not come without a price — we had to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from our Mac OS X team, and as a result we will not be able to release Leopard at our Worldwide Developers Conference in early June as planned. While Leopard's features will be complete by then, we cannot deliver the quality release that we and our customers expect from us. We now plan to show our developers a near final version of Leopard at the conference, give them a beta copy to take home so they can do their final testing, and ship Leopard in October. We think it will be well worth the wait. Life often presents tradeoffs, and in this case we're sure we've made the right ones. [Apr 12, 2007]
(stupid bloody iPhone!)
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what OS do you think the iphone is running? that's right leopard.
 
peharri said:
The lights dim, there is a hush over the auditorium. The spotlight comes on to show the Steve himself jogging up the steps and walking quickly to the center of the stage. As the applause fills the room, he looks down for a moment, touching the fingers of his hands together as if to pray, and then looks up, the applause subsiding

SOOO funny. Actually laughed outloud
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