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Yeah their plans likely involve removing the keyboard entirely and replacing it with a touch sensitive surface. Just ask iPad users how happy we are with the current state of productivity on that platform.

In that instance it would more than likely involve haptic feed back anyway. The iPad is a very productive tool, I have the 2017 iPad Pro which I use daily for drawing and photo editing.
 
All good!

But... The basic knowledge and skill is still lacking! And you still can't correct dialect defects, Siri still can't get what I ask for, I can't even spell it out to get Siri to get it and has no means to correct it so my odd voice doesn't fail it again.

I still want to have Siri read a story to my niece or offer up 'hey siri, what does a cow sound like' "moo" or other animal. Or how about after it sees the lights are off whisperer the reply Vs full volume! So I don't wake my mate.
 
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Let's work on making Siri useful before we start trying to make her "more useful" ;)

I put my iPad in the kitchen at work to charge. When I went back to get it, the room was dark, and I couldn't find the light switch. I said "Hey Siri," and it lit up, and I found it.

That was the first time Siri actually helped me when I needed it.
 
Siri needs to be able to string together multiple requests like "Hey Siri, turn off the bedrooms lights and turn on the living room lights" as well as become a lot smarter. HomePod NEEDS multi user iCloud profiles otherwise it's useless in a living area unless you're single. Apple TV needs multi user (Profiles) on its TV App etc. Apple has a ******** of things to do if they want Siri to become useful.
 
how about accurately recognizing when a command i am giving pertains to a contact in my phone?

how about asking what reminder i am trying to set before going in and changing a random one??

i’m talking basic fundamentals that google assistant has been able to accurately do for years now.
Again, it's anecdotal and doesn't really identify a specific issue. What i was looking for is something lime, "Siri can't do xyz" and it's a verifiable fact. I don't know why you're having so much trouble. There has been extensive testing done to compare them and Siri actually excels at "command" tasks.

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Based on this Chart, Siri is #2 in Local, #2 in Commerce, #2 in Navigation, #4 in Information, and #1 in command.

The only one Google has a large lead is Commerce, where everyone except Google struggled. Siri is not great with information, but not awful.

The article also notes Siri made the largest improvements in 2018, meaning the "Siri sucks" position by the haters needs to be re-evaluated.

You miss the entire point, consistency and reliability ARE the bug. It works sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't. And it fails often enough that a substantial portion of users don't trust it to function. Controlled tests don't reflect real world usage over time, especially since they're almost always conducted on high speed connections.

So while there may have been improvements, it's still maddeningly inconsistent. The 'Mute' rendering problem is better (but not perfect). The random failures to not look in my contacts when told to call someone are about the same (the original voice dialing was far better). And the update a reminder when I'm trying to create a new one, is actually new and worse. Failing to connect to existing apps (like OmniFocus) is also unchanged..works sometimes, and others fails, even when rendered properly. And unless someone said 'search the web for' Siri should never do it - that's the cop out answer.

So fair enough, Siri isn't brain dead. But it sure is schizophrenic.
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“Hey Siri, play some jazz on Spotify in the Living Room.” That’s the bar I’ll be using.

I'd be happy if it could just control the music in my iTunes library, let alone third party products.

But yeah, when that works, consistently, then I'll change my tune. ;-)
 
You miss the entire point, consistency and reliability ARE the bug. It works sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't. And it fails often enough that a substantial portion of users don't trust it to function. Controlled tests don't reflect real world usage over time, especially since they're almost always conducted on high speed connections.

So while there may have been improvements, it's still maddeningly inconsistent. The 'Mute' rendering problem is better (but not perfect). The random failures to not look in my contacts when told to call someone are about the same (the original voice dialing was far better). And the update a reminder when I'm trying to create a new one, is actually new and worse. Failing to connect to existing apps (like OmniFocus) is also unchanged..works sometimes, and others fails, even when rendered properly. And unless someone said 'search the web for' Siri should never do it - that's the cop out answer.

So fair enough, Siri isn't brain dead. But it sure is schizophrenic.
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I'd be happy if it could just control the music in my iTunes library, let alone third party products.

But yeah, when that works, consistently, then I'll change my tune. ;-)
So post some data that shows the inconsistency or it's just your anecdotal experience.
 
-----I find it interesting that the linked 9to5Mac article also mentions a new macOS device driver framework near the end. It'll be interesting to see what improvements this offers over the current IOKit.
 
-----I find it interesting that the linked 9to5Mac article also mentions a new macOS device driver framework near the end. It'll be interesting to see what improvements this offers over the current IOKit.

It will work with ARM :)

-----And IOKit as it exists now couldn't without a few tweaks and recompilation? Granted, the framework is nearly two decades old now, but I don't know what architectural limitations might be overcome by replacing it.
 
You should be scared with a Google device in your home. Their business is you...that's not fear mongering.
I’ve potentially had my data lost via data breaches by Home Depot, Target, Xbox Live, etc. That was just consumer info. The Veterans Administration has lost military medical information at least twice and the Office of Personal Management has lost so much information that foreign governments probably have detailed dossiers on everyone, military and civilian, who has ever worked for our government, including information on their family, friends, and neighbors, if a security clearance was held.

Google (and Apple) protects my data magnitudes better than every other entity I deal with. You’re worried about the wrong thing.
 
how about accurately recognizing when a command i am giving pertains to a contact in my phone?

how about asking what reminder i am trying to set before going in and changing a random one??

i’m talking basic fundamentals that google assistant has been able to accurately do for years now.

I’ve noticed Siri to be more useful over time, though still has various glitches. So, in your example, did you tap on EDIT to see the 4-7 secondary alternatives of what Siri may have inferred from your speech request...?

I’ve found doing this allows you to “teach” the Siri AI to better understand your own personal speech idiosyncrasies over time.
 
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Siri needs to be able to string together multiple requests like "Hey Siri, turn off the bedrooms lights and turn on the living room lights" as well as become a lot smarter. HomePod NEEDS multi user iCloud profiles otherwise it's useless in a living area unless you're single. Apple TV needs multi user (Profiles) on its TV App etc. Apple has a ******** of things to do if they want Siri to become useful.

I love it when I tell my Google Home Mini "Hey Google, turn off the TV (Chromecast connected) and turn off the lights (Hue)" and it works :)
 
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This is not good. iOS and macOS apps are two completely different beasts. Checking a box isn't going to make for a good user experience. This is basically what Apple did with apps like News and HomeKit and they are terrible.
I keep hoping this is why Dashboard never fully went away. Put the iOS apps in their own little play area...
 
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