WWDC 2022 Apple Event Live Keynote Coverage: iOS 16, macOS 13, MacBook Air, and More

[Ansath]

Nope, the 2 year process started when it announced at WWDC 2020 because the M1 release date was unannounced, and remained unknown until just before it released. Claiming the transition will take "2 years from some future unknown date" is meaningless. Also, the developer transition kits were available and shipping at the end of WWDC 2020.

Haha, wow, I didn't use some random unknown date & Apple knew fine well when they intended to publicly release the hardware, so it wasn't an 'some future unknown date'. The transition period starts from the release of the new hardware to the public, as it's hard for a transition to start before the public can actually move onto the hardware.... (plus anyone with a brain knew the hardware would come in November time, in line with the new MacOS, since it needed that public release & it's around that time each year that MacOS release comes out).

You just are being obtuse. It's like you just want to make up a reason to hate on Apple.

Now, if they don't do a Mac Pro on Apple Silicon by November, then I will say they failed the 2 year target. Until then, you can hate on them if you want, but it's for a flimsy reason.

 

[iPhoneFan5349]

What country is that store from?

 

[Ansath]

What country is that store from?

What are you referring to? Hard for anyone to answer as no indication as to what you’re talking about…..

 

[iPhoneFan5349]

Nope, the 2 year process started when it announced at WWDC 2020 because the M1 release date was unannounced, and remained unknown until just before it released. Claiming the transition will take "2 years from some future unknown date" is meaningless. Also, the developer transition kits were available and shipping at the end of WWDC 2020.

I believe you’re selecting the 1,499 variant with 10 GPU cores. The 1,199 variant with 8 GPU cores is still 256 GB

 

[iPhoneFan5349]

What are you referring to? Hard for anyone to answer as no indication as to what you’re talking about…..

It didn’t show up the quote. There’s one user saying the new base mba has 512 gb as stander which I’m saying it isn’t, it’s still the same 256 gb

 

[developer13245]

Haha, wow, I didn't use some random unknown date & Apple knew fine well when they intended to publicly release the hardware, so it wasn't an 'some future unknown date'. The transition period starts from the release of the new hardware to the public, as it's hard for a transition to start before the public can actually move onto the hardware.... (plus anyone with a brain knew the hardware would come in November time, in line with the new MacOS, since it needed that public release & it's around that time each year that MacOS release comes out).

You just are being obtuse. It's like you just want to make up a reason to hate on Apple.

Now, if they don't do a Mac Pro on Apple Silicon by November, then I will say they failed the 2 year target. Until then, you can hate on them if you want, but it's for a flimsy reason.

You're moving the goal posts. Cook said 2 years at WWDC 2020, not 2 years after we release our first Apple Silicon Mac, which is some time if the future that only we (don't) know. You're putting "we get to say go" in Apple's mouth.
The Mac Pro is now LATE, DELAYED. Period.

 

[_Spinn_]

Wait! You don't charge your Apple Watch overnight?

Nope I charge it while I get ready for bed and then top it off in the morning while I get ready for the day. With fast charging that is more than enough to get me through the day

 

[Ansath]

You're moving the goal posts. Cook said 2 years at WWDC 2020, not 2 years after we release our first Apple Silicon Mac, which is some time if the future that only we (don't) know. You're putting "we get to say go" in Apple's mouth.
The Mac Pro is now LATE, DELAYED. Period.

I'm not at all.

Logic dictates that a transition for the public from Intel hardware to Silicon hardware starts from when the public can get the Silicon hardware, which was not until November 2020.

Apple, at WWDC, knew they were going to release the hardware in November, as they plan things well in advance (Between the fact that they always do some Mac hardware release in November time (I'm not saying that's the only time, but the bulk is that time) and also the logistics involved they have to have a set release schedule for a device that will be decided much more in advance than 6 months). You can keep claiming that they didn't know when they were going to release the hardware to the public, but in doing so, you're acting in bad faith.

You carry on with your tantrum, but since you cannot be reasonable & acknowledge facts, I'm not going to converse with you further.

 

[svish]

@svish Where are you? Are you watching the event from India? You know it's not too late over there

Did see the event live yesterday. Yes only 10.30 pm. If I can help it, I never miss Apple events even if it starts at midnight. I was not on MacRumors, so missed your question

 

[AppleInLVX]

I reckon new Mini with M2 in the fall, and new Mac Pro with M2 Pro Ultra or something.

You're almost certainly right, but I really wonder if the wait will make that much difference to my actual workflow, and then there's always the chance the M2 will run a wee bit hotter and so the computer won't be as silent, etc.

 

[developer13245]

I'm not at all.

Logic dictates that a transition for the public from Intel hardware to Silicon hardware starts from when the public can get the Silicon hardware, which was not until November 2020.

Apple, at WWDC, knew they were going to release the hardware in November, as they plan things well in advance (Between the fact that they always do some Mac hardware release in November time (I'm not saying that's the only time, but the bulk is that time) and also the logistics involved they have to have a set release schedule for a device that will be decided much more in advance than 6 months). You can keep claiming that they didn't know when they were going to release the hardware to the public, but in doing so, you're acting in bad faith.

You carry on with your tantrum, but since you cannot be reasonable & acknowledge facts, I'm not going to converse with you further.

Pure spin. If Apple was so sure they were releasing the M1 in 11/20 they would have said the transition will be complete in November 2022.

 

[Ansath]

Pure spin. If Apple was so sure they were releasing the M1 in 11/20 they would have said the transition will be complete in November 2022.

No spin at all, just common sense and logic. Apple knew fine well when they were going to release it, in line with other releases for Mac.

Why would they need to say transition would be complete in November, when it's easier to say 2 years.

You're far too literal, mate. You can't follow logic, reason & common sense.

I bet you're someone who starts complaining when a company says something is coming in the Fall, complains on the 22nd September at 00:01 if it's not available......

 

[developer13245]

No spin at all, just common sense and logic. Apple knew fine well when they were going to release it, in line with other releases for Mac.

Why would they need to say transition would be complete in November, when it's easier to say 2 years.

You're far too literal, mate. You can't follow logic, reason & common sense.

I bet you're someone who starts complaining when a company says something is coming in the Fall, complains on the 22nd September at 00:01 if it's not available......

The 2 year transition was announced at WWDC 2020. That's when the transition began and in fact Apple started shipping Apple Silicon DTK Macs the week of WWDC 2020.

 

[Ansath]

The 2 year transition was announced at WWDC 2020. That's when the transition began and in fact Apple started shipping Apple Silicon DTK Macs the week of WWDC 2020.

Explain how the transition for the public from Intel to Silicon can start in June 2020 when the public don't get the hardware until November........

DTK kits are Developers only, not for the public, ergo not the start of the transition away from Intel to Silicon.

Apple themselves said as part of press release for WWDC 2020, that they plan to release the new hardware at the end of the year, beginning the 2 year transition...... (so much for your comment that they didn't know when they were going to release the hardware....).

 

[glaze]

Explain how the transition for the public from Intel to Silicon can start in June 2020 when the public don't get the hardware until November........

DTK kits are Developers only, not for the public, ergo not the start of the transition away from Intel to Silicon.

Apple themselves said as part of press release for WWDC 2020, that they plan to release the new hardware at the end of the year, beginning the 2 year transition...... (so much for your comment that they didn't know when they were going to release the hardware....).

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[AppleAlpha]

I downloaded ios 16 beta version. Its too much bugs. When will they publish new version?

 

[Col4bin]

Car Play needs its own user-based controls for screen brightness and contrast.

 

[MozMan68]

Car Play needs its own user-based controls for screen brightness and contrast.

The car manufacturer controls that...and I'm sure it is available on every single car with a screen. I can't remember if that is one of the control options available for CarPlay to control, but I'm pretty sure it is. But again, the manufacturer still controls that.

 

[Col4bin]

The car manufacturer controls that...and I'm sure it is available on every single car with a screen. I can't remember if that is one of the control options available for CarPlay to control, but I'm pretty sure it is. But again, the manufacturer still controls that.

Yes, the car auto manufacturer does control it currently and the screen brightness levels set for the OEM head unit is perfectly balanced with no issue. The problem is with CarPlay on, the brightness level from that app alone is overwhelmingly glaring and distracting at night, even with the "dark mode" setting on. Out of precautionary consideration, Apple would be wise to offer the consumer independent brightness/contrast controls inherent within CarPlay to best fine-tune the experience per automobile. This isn't hard.

 

[MozMan68]

Yes, the car auto manufacturer does control it currently and the screen brightness levels set for the OEM head unit is perfectly balanced with no issue. The problem is with CarPlay on, the brightness level from that app alone is overwhelmingly glaring and distracting at night, even with the "dark mode" setting on. Out of precautionary consideration, Apple would be wise to offer the consumer independent brightness/contrast controls inherent within CarPlay to best fine-tune the experience per automobile. This isn't hard.

Not sure why you are assuming that...it IS hard.

The screen is not "CarPlay"...it's not "Apple"....it is your car's screen. Whether CarPlay controls the levels or the OEM controls it (as they do today) the setting will be the same. If the car manufacturer let Apple control that system, yes, they MIGHT be able to allow different brightness settings based on application, but I doubt that as well.

 

[JoeShades]

Yes, the car auto manufacturer does control it currently and the screen brightness levels set for the OEM head unit is perfectly balanced with no issue. The problem is with CarPlay on, the brightness level from that app alone is overwhelmingly glaring and distracting at night, even with the "dark mode" setting on. Out of precautionary consideration, Apple would be wise to offer the consumer independent brightness/contrast controls inherent within CarPlay to best fine-tune the experience per automobile. This isn't hard.

Your car should already have a night mode where the brightness is reduced

 

[theorist9]

24 is kind of a random number, frankly. I get it, 8 + 8 + 8. Still weird. Anyone regularly see a 12 GB RAM laptop in the mainstream? I work in IT and usually see 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, etc.

This explains it: Samsung now makes 24 GB RAM modules, indicating that's where the industry is now (not sure if the M2's modules are made by Samsung specifically; the M1's were made by Hynix).

AMD and Samsung Webinar Talks Raphael Overclocking, Future of DDR5

Next-generation DDR5 platforms to increase memory performance, density.

www.tomshardware.com

EDIT: Upon re-reading, it seems those sizes might be for DDR5 modules, rather than the LPDDR5 modules the M2 uses. So here is probably a more correct explanation:

M2 devices are available with either, 8GB, 16GB, or 24GB of memory. Given that Apple is still using just two stacks of memory, it looks like the company is finally taking advantage of LPDDR’s support for non-power-of-two die sizes (e.g. 12Gb dies), which allows them to get 12GB of memory into a single package without any further shenanigans.

Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17431/apple-announces-m2-soc-apple-silicon-updated-for-2022

 

[rpmurray]

This explains it: Samsung now makes 24 GB RAM modules.

AMD and Samsung Webinar Talks Raphael Overclocking, Future of DDR5

Next-generation DDR5 platforms to increase memory performance, density.

www.tomshardware.com

I thought that on the Mx the RAM is part of the SoC and not a separate module.

 

[theorist9]

I thought that on the Mx the RAM is part of the SoC and not a separate module.

While the RAM is considered part of the SoC (system on a chip), it's actually off-die. The RAM controllers are on the die, the RAM modules are not. Here's a pic of the M1 die, annotated by AnnandTech, showing the RAM controllers ("8x 16 LPDDR4x Channels"), but not the RAM itself, are on-die:

And here's pic from ifixit showing that die (underneath the silver cover), with two off-die RAM modules (small black rectanges) placed next to it. In the M1, those are made by Hynix.

Source: https://www.ifixit.com/News/46884/m1-macbook-teardowns-something-old-something-new

 

[rpmurray]

While the RAM is considered part of the SoC (system on a chip), it's actually off-die.

So there's hope for a new Mac Pro with upgradable RAM?