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I agree with the bakeoff thing but I think they should include the G4. I don't actually mind the Altivec part of the equation, either. Show me the P4, show me the G4 with AND without Altivec, and show me the 970 with AND without Altivec. I want to see how new and old generation PPC chips compare with each other as well.
Re: Re: PC970 hurry up
Guess it depends what apps you use, and whether you use multiple apps at the same time. Final cut rocks now, and Protools is the best on the Mac. For now games and render farms are a little faster on windoz.......for now.
daniel
Guess it depends what apps you use, and whether you use multiple apps at the same time. Final cut rocks now, and Protools is the best on the Mac. For now games and render farms are a little faster on windoz.......for now.
daniel
Time will tell...
June 23rd eh? Well if Apple is going to announce the 970 at WWDC, then I imagine they'll start some pretty crazy promo's with the current PowerMac line at the beginning of June. Only a few weeks from now...
I'm trying to keep a nice calm, realistic optimism about this. I fully expect to see the 970 in Apple hardware soon, but I think WWDC might be a little too soon... at least for Apple to announce it's future intentions.
And while I fully expect the 970 to be leaps and bounds ahead of our current proccesor predictiment, I don't think it's going to "destroy" the current crop of PC chips either.
Is anybody else bothered by those on forums that overhype every Apple event with unrealistic expectations based on rumors and wild speculation, and then pronounce their extreme dissapointment along with the "end of Apple" upon the passing of the event that hasn't lived up to their every hope and dream?
Sometimes I think us crazy Mac fans are our own worst enemies.
Having said all of that, I'd love to be working on a dual 2ghz 970 runnin' 10.3 by the end of this summer. Here's to eternal optimism...
June 23rd eh? Well if Apple is going to announce the 970 at WWDC, then I imagine they'll start some pretty crazy promo's with the current PowerMac line at the beginning of June. Only a few weeks from now...
I'm trying to keep a nice calm, realistic optimism about this. I fully expect to see the 970 in Apple hardware soon, but I think WWDC might be a little too soon... at least for Apple to announce it's future intentions.
And while I fully expect the 970 to be leaps and bounds ahead of our current proccesor predictiment, I don't think it's going to "destroy" the current crop of PC chips either.
Is anybody else bothered by those on forums that overhype every Apple event with unrealistic expectations based on rumors and wild speculation, and then pronounce their extreme dissapointment along with the "end of Apple" upon the passing of the event that hasn't lived up to their every hope and dream?
Sometimes I think us crazy Mac fans are our own worst enemies.
Having said all of that, I'd love to be working on a dual 2ghz 970 runnin' 10.3 by the end of this summer. Here's to eternal optimism...
Re: bigger hint in an apple press release.
I think it's more "port from what". I would suspect that it's aimed at non-mac developers who are bringing their applications to the mac, rather than developers with existing mac applications.
Besides, they haven't even announced a 64 bit strategy yet - I wouldn't expect there to be hands-on actual "porting" but more just information giving, then the developers could go and investigate how they can use the new technologies in their applications. Assuming of course that there is a 64 bit strategy in the first place
I think it's more "port from what". I would suspect that it's aimed at non-mac developers who are bringing their applications to the mac, rather than developers with existing mac applications.
Besides, they haven't even announced a 64 bit strategy yet - I wouldn't expect there to be hands-on actual "porting" but more just information giving, then the developers could go and investigate how they can use the new technologies in their applications. Assuming of course that there is a 64 bit strategy in the first place
Re: Re: bigger hint in an apple press release.
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Originally posted by Knox
I think it's more "port from what". I would suspect that it's aimed at non-mac developers who are bringing their applications to the mac, rather than developers with existing mac applications.
Besides, they haven't even announced a 64 bit strategy yet - I wouldn't expect there to be hands-on actual "porting" but more just information giving, then the developers could go and investigate how they can use the new technologies in their applications. Assuming of course that there is a 64 bit strategy in the first place
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New Mac Stuff
I think that we're going to see MacOS 10.3, 970 chips, and developer tools all at this WWDC and they'll be ready for sale (< 1 month). If they were just showing off 10.3, they wouldn't have had to move the original WWDC date. They could have just done a mock up and said it would be done in a month and described the new features. In order to need to delay the event, they either would need some hardware that it would need to run on or wait for said hardware to be ready to ship. If the 970's weren't going to be ready till months after this WWDC, they could have just ignored it and wouldn't have need of moving the date back.
Multiple people, while trying not to violate NDA, have informed me that I should believe the rumors. Other people talking shop at parties have informed me that the 970 is real, MacOS would handle 64 bit, and the developer tools for said MacOS would handle 64 bit. Too much of what they are previewing depends on hardware. Waiting for the hardware is why I think the WWDC was moved back in the first place. I think we'll see the hardware at or soon after the WWDC. Maybe not the day after, but some amount of time dependant on the average time it takes to fill out and get approval for a major companies PO.
New PDA? I think we've already seen it. I think the iPod is our Apple PDA. With the next upgrade, I suspect we'll see feature bloat to include text editing, some more programs, and some neat dockable add ons that will make it comparable to other PDAs. They'll do this slow, keeping the iPod as a successful music player first and foremost, so if it flops as a PDA, they aren't saddled with another Newton (and without worring about getting enough of the PDA market away from other more established companies).
I think that we're going to see MacOS 10.3, 970 chips, and developer tools all at this WWDC and they'll be ready for sale (< 1 month). If they were just showing off 10.3, they wouldn't have had to move the original WWDC date. They could have just done a mock up and said it would be done in a month and described the new features. In order to need to delay the event, they either would need some hardware that it would need to run on or wait for said hardware to be ready to ship. If the 970's weren't going to be ready till months after this WWDC, they could have just ignored it and wouldn't have need of moving the date back.
Multiple people, while trying not to violate NDA, have informed me that I should believe the rumors. Other people talking shop at parties have informed me that the 970 is real, MacOS would handle 64 bit, and the developer tools for said MacOS would handle 64 bit. Too much of what they are previewing depends on hardware. Waiting for the hardware is why I think the WWDC was moved back in the first place. I think we'll see the hardware at or soon after the WWDC. Maybe not the day after, but some amount of time dependant on the average time it takes to fill out and get approval for a major companies PO.
New PDA? I think we've already seen it. I think the iPod is our Apple PDA. With the next upgrade, I suspect we'll see feature bloat to include text editing, some more programs, and some neat dockable add ons that will make it comparable to other PDAs. They'll do this slow, keeping the iPod as a successful music player first and foremost, so if it flops as a PDA, they aren't saddled with another Newton (and without worring about getting enough of the PDA market away from other more established companies).
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Re: New Mac Stuff
Trying not to violate it? Isn't it pretty cut and dry? Aren't the rules layed out pretty plainly?
Or are they using nods and hand signals?
How about trying not to get caught obviously violating it? Information was conveyed, eh?
I try not to pick my nose, but then... - j
Trying not to violate it? Isn't it pretty cut and dry? Aren't the rules layed out pretty plainly?
Or are they using nods and hand signals?
How about trying not to get caught obviously violating it? Information was conveyed, eh?
I try not to pick my nose, but then... - j
Re: New Mac Stuff
I disagree. The point of WWDC is enabling third-party developers to make sure their software will continue to work on Panther, and to use new Panther features in their next version of the software. That's why you need a somewhat complete Panther at WWDC, and be able to give developers a pre-release.
I disagree. The point of WWDC is enabling third-party developers to make sure their software will continue to work on Panther, and to use new Panther features in their next version of the software. That's why you need a somewhat complete Panther at WWDC, and be able to give developers a pre-release.
Who knows. I've never seen a NDA before, and I have no idea if the people who gave the links of other peoples rumors to read had either. What do you expect from drunk people at parties or on anonymous forums? With half of every real press release made by companies dealing with vapor products, there's no use in holding rumors up to too high of a standard?
Not sure what this means, but on the apple wwdc page they have listed the conference agenda. here's one i found interesting:
507 - Mac OS X High Performance Math Libraries
Apple offers supercomputing performance to both consumers and professionals with Velocity Engine and the PowerPC G4 processor in its entire line of desktop computers. Processor-bound operations such as memory copies, string compares, and page clears can be offloaded to the vector engines of the G4. This session provides an overview of the Velocity Engine vector libraries, including recently optimized double-precision FFTs, MDCT, and BLAST. Apple's numerics engineers will discuss techniques for general vectorization and for identifying code that can be vectorized.
you would think they wouldn't be having a session on the G4 if the ppc970 was coming out.
507 - Mac OS X High Performance Math Libraries
Apple offers supercomputing performance to both consumers and professionals with Velocity Engine and the PowerPC G4 processor in its entire line of desktop computers. Processor-bound operations such as memory copies, string compares, and page clears can be offloaded to the vector engines of the G4. This session provides an overview of the Velocity Engine vector libraries, including recently optimized double-precision FFTs, MDCT, and BLAST. Apple's numerics engineers will discuss techniques for general vectorization and for identifying code that can be vectorized.
you would think they wouldn't be having a session on the G4 if the ppc970 was coming out.
that's VMX, not G4
That session is on AltiVec libraries.
Since the 970 should be compatible with AltiVec, this session should be applicable to both.
Maybe after the keynote, the abstract will be modified to say "Velocity Engine and the PowerPC G4 and G5"
That session is on AltiVec libraries.
Since the 970 should be compatible with AltiVec, this session should be applicable to both.
Maybe after the keynote, the abstract will be modified to say "Velocity Engine and the PowerPC G4 and G5"
Speculation...
I would LOVE to see Uncle Steve come out with a snail with a P4 on its back on the large projection screen. IF Panther is 64-bit optimized and IF the PowerMacs have 970s inside, then Mac owners will have bragging rights for many months to come.
I think that the new 15" PowerBook will come out at WWDC, but I'm concerned about the older 15" PowerBooks that retailers still have. Smalldog still has new 667MHz 15" PowerBooks in stock selling for $1799. Apple needs to give retailers a kickback for selling older PowerBooks to flush the old models. I'm not going to buy a 667MHz 15" PowerBook for $1799 when I can buy a new 867MHz 12" PowerBook for the same price.
I don't think Apple will reveal or enable the new iPod's recording features yet. This is too soon after the new iPod came out. They can wait and get some more value by waiting for the demand for the new iPod to drop slightly, then release the new feature as a "software update".
Apple PDA? Well, we can dream...
-Aaron-
I would LOVE to see Uncle Steve come out with a snail with a P4 on its back on the large projection screen. IF Panther is 64-bit optimized and IF the PowerMacs have 970s inside, then Mac owners will have bragging rights for many months to come.
I think that the new 15" PowerBook will come out at WWDC, but I'm concerned about the older 15" PowerBooks that retailers still have. Smalldog still has new 667MHz 15" PowerBooks in stock selling for $1799. Apple needs to give retailers a kickback for selling older PowerBooks to flush the old models. I'm not going to buy a 667MHz 15" PowerBook for $1799 when I can buy a new 867MHz 12" PowerBook for the same price.
I don't think Apple will reveal or enable the new iPod's recording features yet. This is too soon after the new iPod came out. They can wait and get some more value by waiting for the demand for the new iPod to drop slightly, then release the new feature as a "software update".
Apple PDA? Well, we can dream...
-Aaron-
hmm... but since developers have been working with the G4 for awhile now do they really need new sessions on it? perhaps i'm being naive. I was hoping for the conference agenda page to say something like "announcing the ppc970!!" or something blatantly obvious. I'm dying to buy my first mac, but am feeling the need to wait it out.
How the hell??
How the HELL do you people draw these sorts of conclusions???
That is about as ludicrous as saying "hey, he LOOKS guilty and everybody seems to think he is, so HE IS".
Until Apple makes an announcement, its all speculation.
Let's keep an open mind and see what WWDC actually brings.
How the HELL do you people draw these sorts of conclusions???
That is about as ludicrous as saying "hey, he LOOKS guilty and everybody seems to think he is, so HE IS".
Until Apple makes an announcement, its all speculation.
Let's keep an open mind and see what WWDC actually brings.
The workshop mentioned is regarding the utilization of Altivec on the G4. A great many current developers are not fully familiar with Altivec and how it can be used to speed up performance. Also keep in mind that more and more developers who never wrote for Apple before are starting to, and that there are always new young developers coming along. Education is an ongoing process, not a one time deal. That is why WWDC is an annual event. However, lessons learned in a workshop like this, would easily carry over to the 970 as well. The instructions set are essentially the same.
No "New" PowerMacs Coming At WWDC
Apple will not introduce new PowerMacs at WWDC. They are history. A completely new form factor and NAME will be unveiled along with the preview of "Panther". We'll see a bunch of new software apps from third party vendors (including that long-awaited and delayed one!) and the first non-beta version of Safari.
Apple will not introduce new PowerMacs at WWDC. They are history. A completely new form factor and NAME will be unveiled along with the preview of "Panther". We'll see a bunch of new software apps from third party vendors (including that long-awaited and delayed one!) and the first non-beta version of Safari.
and now for something completely different?
have ibm ever put out 8xx ppcs? just took a quick browse of their site. didn't find any reference to any.
have ibm ever put out 8xx ppcs? just took a quick browse of their site. didn't find any reference to any.
On Cocoa vs Carbon
If you have a Carbon application there is no reason to convert it to Cocoa. There are fewer and fewer Cocoa (and Carbon) specific features with every release of MacOS X. So use what you prefer (and Adobe may prefer Carbon because they already have their own cross platform framework that they would have a hard time justifying rewriting to use Cocoa).
At some point Apple would like Carbon & Cocoa to be completely interchangable interfaces. The easiest way to do that is for them to share a common architecture. And likely that architecture will be Carbon.
Outside of the frameworks themselves, there is nothing on MacOS X that you can only use from Cocoa or only use from Carbon. They are mearly two high-level interfaces to the user interface.
If you have a Carbon application there is no reason to convert it to Cocoa. There are fewer and fewer Cocoa (and Carbon) specific features with every release of MacOS X. So use what you prefer (and Adobe may prefer Carbon because they already have their own cross platform framework that they would have a hard time justifying rewriting to use Cocoa).
At some point Apple would like Carbon & Cocoa to be completely interchangable interfaces. The easiest way to do that is for them to share a common architecture. And likely that architecture will be Carbon.
Outside of the frameworks themselves, there is nothing on MacOS X that you can only use from Cocoa or only use from Carbon. They are mearly two high-level interfaces to the user interface.
I doubt that, actually. The G3 is coming along and Apple doesn't want to deal with Moto anymore. I have predicted that Apple will sue out of their G4 obligations with the contractual failure by Moto with the G5, and we will see an all G3/970 line as soon as "Gobi" or whatever becomes a reasonable low-end processor.
Bye-bye Moto!
jettredmont said: " Objective C/C++ is a great UI language, but its type-unsafe nature makes it next to impossible to use for a real "workhorse" or complex app!"
This is simply incorrect.
iDVD, DVD Studio Pro, Apple's Project Builder, and the Apple Store are all examples of "complex" apps based on Objective-C. I personally have worked on derivatives-trading apps for a number of wall street firms that were written in Objective-C, and we've never wished we had the inflexibility that comes from so-called "type safety."
-jcr
This is simply incorrect.
iDVD, DVD Studio Pro, Apple's Project Builder, and the Apple Store are all examples of "complex" apps based on Objective-C. I personally have worked on derivatives-trading apps for a number of wall street firms that were written in Objective-C, and we've never wished we had the inflexibility that comes from so-called "type safety."
-jcr
MacRumors really getting good
This site is getting really good at this whole predicting the future of the Mac thing: "WWDC is coming". I'll bet anything that they're right about this one.
LoL. Sorry, couldn't help laughing when I read that headline.
This site is getting really good at this whole predicting the future of the Mac thing: "WWDC is coming". I'll bet anything that they're right about this one.
LoL. Sorry, couldn't help laughing when I read that headline.