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WWDC: Leopard Details
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sushi
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Wow! This is super.
Definitely a plus for the switchers and those who need to run apps in both environments.
SiliconAddict
macrumors 603
I meant Desktop...
What I mean is, if you change the default resolution from your display settings, will things (icons, etc.) look nice or blurry, like in Tiger?
What I mean is, if you change the default resolution from your display settings, will things (icons, etc.) look nice or blurry, like in Tiger?
Well, it really seemed like Apple is pushing for everyone to use their own photos as their desktop background.
Does anyone know if there are any new backgrounds with the dev. copies? I know there are new screen-savers, but it really seems like Tiger's blue background is the pinnacle. Now we're supposed to use our own photos.
But I wonder what the default is...
-=|Mgkwho
apfhex
macrumors 68030
All LCDs are blurry at anything less than their native resolution, you can't do anything about that. But, with resolution independence, you can make things bigger while remaining at the same resolution.
macinfojunkie
macrumors 6502
Squire
macrumors 68000
iChat??
I sure hope you're right. You would think the desktop sharing feature of iChat would be listed on the new OSX page and it's not. Here's what used to be there (thanks to Google cache):
Share and share alike
Remote control takes on a whole new meaning with iChat in Leopard. Thanks to iChat Screen Sharing, you and your buddy can observe and control a single desktop via iChat, making it a cinch to collaborate with colleagues, browse the Web with a friend, or pick the perfect plane seats with your spouse. Share your own desktop or share your buddys you both have complete control at all times. And when you start a Screen Sharing session, iChat automatically initiates an audio chat so you can talk things through while youre at it.
If it is gone, that would be very unfortunate. Aside from Time Machine, that was one of the main reasons I wanted to upgrade. I guess we'll know for certain pretty soon.
-Squire
I sure hope you're right. You would think the desktop sharing feature of iChat would be listed on the new OSX page and it's not. Here's what used to be there (thanks to Google cache):
Share and share alike
Remote control takes on a whole new meaning with iChat in Leopard. Thanks to iChat Screen Sharing, you and your buddy can observe and control a single desktop via iChat, making it a cinch to collaborate with colleagues, browse the Web with a friend, or pick the perfect plane seats with your spouse. Share your own desktop or share your buddys you both have complete control at all times. And when you start a Screen Sharing session, iChat automatically initiates an audio chat so you can talk things through while youre at it.
If it is gone, that would be very unfortunate. Aside from Time Machine, that was one of the main reasons I wanted to upgrade. I guess we'll know for certain pretty soon.
-Squire
I somehow agree with that...
Especially since those secret features were hidden so that MS will not copy them.
So, although Leopard is looking very nice and a solid new version, the problem was Steve's decision to put too much mistery on some "secret features" and the hype genereated by it.
Especially since those secret features were hidden so that MS will not copy them.
So, although Leopard is looking very nice and a solid new version, the problem was Steve's decision to put too much mistery on some "secret features" and the hype genereated by it.
Chef Medeski
macrumors 6502a
Unfortunately stacks is only in the dock....
And whats with this 3-d dock, does it actually do anything or does it just look cool?
Lol, everyone is watching the keynote and posts aren't being made every 5 seconds anymore =P
Does anyone know how I can download it to my HD instead of watching it streamed in Quicktime?
The Save-As option seems to just save a reference I believe.
Does anyone know how I can download it to my HD instead of watching it streamed in Quicktime?
The Save-As option seems to just save a reference I believe.
I'm seriously thinking of never sharing any information here again. People here act like 12 year olds, even if they are. 😉 Grow up.
for those of you whining about the 'secret features' what exactly did Apple not include that you wanted? Please do tell us.
for those of you whining about the 'secret features' what exactly did Apple not include that you wanted? Please do tell us.
- Leopard works on any machine down to a g4. (My guess is people will hack it for g3 as usual)
- Speed up using solid state NAND or faster memory (like Vista ReadyBoost)
- No restarting to use Bootcamp. Just select "Switch to Windows" from OS X, and your machine goes to sleep. Wake it up and your in Windows. You can do the same thing once in Windows to switch back to mac. VERY VERY NICE feature, no reason to use virtualization for me at least.
- Redone Unix Underpinnings (HUGE FEATURE)
- Completely Re-written Finder (This is a year + of work alone)
- The resolution independence with zoom (CTRL+scrollwheel), yes it's in the zoom, because ZOOM is for accessibility or disabled users, so having the text and controls GO sharper IS THE PROPER WAY.
- Completely New Speech. Think better than AT&T voices, seriously listening to text2speech read your documents is worth $129 to me alone.
- Completely new mail client. Much faster, better calendar support, keep notes
- GLOBAL date notice, right click on a date or time and OS X will be smart and offer to add it to your iCal
- Global Screen and Document sharing, anyone can write it into their cocoa apps to share documents from EVERY program if two users are online. This is a GIANT leap forward for EVERYONE who actually works for a living.
- transparent menu bar (optional), is EXCELLENT, you ONLY focus on your documents (and i thought i would hate it)
- Spotlight, completely re-written with faster database, and backend
- Finder, did I mention it's completely new? Networking, browsing, anything that used to beachball is SUPER FAST. The finder doesn't beachball on large folders, nor do you wait for thumbnails to come up, or wait period. You can try network shares as fast as you can click them.
- The entire system has new underpinnings, that are better threaded. No pause if you click on a menu. THIS IS REALLY, REALLY big deal, as it takes months to rewrite that code that handles this sort of thing.
- Redesigned printing servics, and dialogs, no more of that HORRIBLE 60 dropdown items. Preview of your document (thumbnail) is in every print dialog, and page setup can be reached from this window. Also printing does not put up a dialog covering the screen while it spools pages. No more stopping your productivity, while you wait to spool.
I'm just getting warmed up. It's extremely fast. This alone is worth $129, Anyone complaining that the update is 'lame' should just stick to their Tiger, and PLEASE stop posting 🙂
SiliconAddict
macrumors 603
Meh.
Is the new FS bootable? Finder being cocoa. Where did you see this? I'm not finding any reference to this on Apple's site.
Until I see something really useful come out of this...meh.
You are talking two different things. The .Mac thing is only useful if you have multiple Macs. Or if you have a Mac account, something that most Mac users don't have because its a piss poor value.
File searching on multiple desktops. No brainer. Apple should have done this YEARS ago.
Options are good. Options are always good. Its a nice feature. I question if its worth a price tag of 3 figures.
Stacks is nothing more then a popup folder that displays content. You can already do this now sans the effect and previews.
I don't use iChat for one reason. Many of my contacts aren't on AIM. So another useless feature I'd be paying for.
I've had an on again off again affair with multiple desktop utilities. Never cared for them. Even Leopards version is little more then a streamlined version integrated into the OS. Nothing overly new.
Firefox and it extensions. enough said.
So we are paying for something that should have happened years ago. Got it.
I think we can safely say that Apple had a feature lock on Leopard at this point. As for iLife '07 and integration. Meh. iPhone I couldn't give less of a crap about.
Stellar OS is relative. If I can cause the Finder to beachball because of a network share I call it status quo OS.
SiliconAddict
macrumors 603
OK THAT alone would be worth the $130 for me. Easily worth $130. Its simply the biggest headache in OS X for me. 😱
where did you get that list? I would like to read more.
millerrh
macrumors 6502
I definitely would have like to seen a hierarchical tree structure view in Finder like Windows has. When you're digging down through folders, it's nice to not have to extend your finder window across your whole screen and not be able to jump back and forth around your various folders.
TheAnswer
macrumors 68030
Sounds really impressive!
What can you tell us about Finder "screen sharing..." and the remote desktop features that used to be on the Leopard iChat preview page but are no longer up on this revision?
Namely...is screen sharing limited to the Finder and within a LAN or will it be accessible over an internet iChat connection.
I don't mean to be insulting, but do you have eyes?? Seriously use them. The new dock is SHORTER in height than the old FLAT dock. Come-on, look before you post again.
macinfojunkie
macrumors 6502
ctrl+X, cut/paste, move file commend, call it what you will be I think it should be there by now.
Is there any other OS which is missing the ability to move a file in a single step? [.... If I'm missing something with Tiger I'll eat a ton of humble pie I promise. But if I'm right and it is missing and not put in place in Leopard then I'd be disappointed]
But with regards to the list of items you mention, I wonder if we'll see more positive feedback now that the WWDC video is up on Apple's site. I'm far more impressed with some of the UI changes having seen the presentation that I had been by prior descriptions, including the text on Apple's web-site.
I guess seeing is believing 😀
why does everyone assume screen sharing is gone? Because Steve didn't show it in iChat so it 'must not exist anymore' logic?
Screensharing is now global, you can do it anywhere, not just in iChat. Sharing is covered on engadget, gizmodo, macrumors... Did I miss anywhere??/ You can share volumes, browse computers behind firewalls, support your mom who is behind a shared IP set....
Screensharing is now global, you can do it anywhere, not just in iChat. Sharing is covered on engadget, gizmodo, macrumors... Did I miss anywhere??/ You can share volumes, browse computers behind firewalls, support your mom who is behind a shared IP set....
FJ218700
macrumors 68000
Just because Steve didn't personally mention this little feature in leopard just for you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You can't cut a file for a good reason. Cutting it then accidentally copying a snippet of text will overwrite your file genius. But if your using tiger "gasp!" you can just drag the file, then hit command key, and it switches from copy to "move" which is nice when moving large files between drives. CTRL+X? I assume you mean COMMAND+X which I just covered. Now wasn't not a single step about drag and drop again? Also "gasp!" using tiger open automator and create a new "move file" save as a plug-in, now right click on a file and you'll see under automator, things that you created like "Move to Applications"
Please guys, don't turn this into a support thread. If you think a features not in OS X, make damn sure you are certain before asking, and I will continue to post.
Please guys, don't turn this into a support thread. If you think a features not in OS X, make damn sure you are certain before asking, and I will continue to post.