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They probably want Safari on Windows so iPhone users can become more aquatinted with it on a computer and feel more at home on a Mac if they decide to switch
it's brushed metal just for now... all the screenshots indicate it will have that unified look in Leopard
meanwhile, I love that the new DVD has a time slider, so you can pinpoint any spot and go to it, instead of holding fast-forward while navigating in chapters
I can't imagine how anyone can gripe about this
I suppose you can be a bit miffed at the actual keynote presentation itself since more new stuff wasn't revealed today, but I can't imagine how anyone can gripe about leopard itself.
Here's just a small partial list of cool things that 10.5 is going to add to your Mac:
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1) Time Machine - seamless, built-in backup with instant file recovery
2) Spaces - keep separate computer screens for different tasks with just the windows used for that task
3) Stacks - similar to folders in your dock, but with icon so each folder doesn't look the same, documents can be previewed, and the functionality is more obviously accessible so will be used often
4) Quicklook - instantly preview any document right in the finder
5) Unified look across all applications
6) Sidebar advances bring organization to the sidebar so you can put more places in it without getting cluttered
7) Spotlight boolean logic - so you can use AND, OR, NOT so you can find files with much more power
8) Bootcamp switching advances - faster restarts into and out of windows. Also keeps your mac in the same state it was in before switching, so you can switch back and forth while in the middle of working without losing your place and without having to reopen all your documents and applications
9) iCal interface improvements - inline event editor and other improvements that might make iCal actually worth using
10) Safari upgrades - draggable tabs, better find feature, PDF features, and more.
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And that's just a very partial list of all the awesome stuff that 10.5 is adding. I skipped 10.4 because the only thing it really added was spotlight, and to me the Find File in 10.3 works great.
Personally, I'm stoked about 10.5 and am definitely gonna grab it as soon as it comes out!
I suppose you can be a bit miffed at the actual keynote presentation itself since more new stuff wasn't revealed today, but I can't imagine how anyone can gripe about leopard itself.
Here's just a small partial list of cool things that 10.5 is going to add to your Mac:
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1) Time Machine - seamless, built-in backup with instant file recovery
2) Spaces - keep separate computer screens for different tasks with just the windows used for that task
3) Stacks - similar to folders in your dock, but with icon so each folder doesn't look the same, documents can be previewed, and the functionality is more obviously accessible so will be used often
4) Quicklook - instantly preview any document right in the finder
5) Unified look across all applications
6) Sidebar advances bring organization to the sidebar so you can put more places in it without getting cluttered
7) Spotlight boolean logic - so you can use AND, OR, NOT so you can find files with much more power
8) Bootcamp switching advances - faster restarts into and out of windows. Also keeps your mac in the same state it was in before switching, so you can switch back and forth while in the middle of working without losing your place and without having to reopen all your documents and applications
9) iCal interface improvements - inline event editor and other improvements that might make iCal actually worth using
10) Safari upgrades - draggable tabs, better find feature, PDF features, and more.
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And that's just a very partial list of all the awesome stuff that 10.5 is adding. I skipped 10.4 because the only thing it really added was spotlight, and to me the Find File in 10.3 works great.
Personally, I'm stoked about 10.5 and am definitely gonna grab it as soon as it comes out!
I think the new Finder, if it actually is a new Finder rather than just a new look for the same old crap, combined with Quick View and a Spotlight that actually works is a huge step forward. I don't think a tabbed Finder would be that much more efficient. If it was we'd have tabs in iTunes.
I'll be looking for a way to set the menu bar back to completely opaque. Having the desktop picture show through any functional UI element is very bad for productivity.
The new Dock looks as bad as the current one: uses processor hogging eye candy, steals vertical space from wide screens that are already challenged in that direction and is centered so icons are in unpredictable locations.
Stacks look like a good idea for small collections of data. I think a designated Downloads stack makes sense for newbies, but anyone who downloads more than one thing per day should already have a folder set aside for that purpose.
I saw someone wondering why SJ didn't have a HD icon on his Desktop. Obviously it was done to show the ultimate clean Desktop, but that's already an option in Tiger. I've always got at least one Finder window open somewhere so I don't need to show my HD icons on the Desktop. I do like the gentle reminder of a desktop icon for removable volumes, however.
Aside from a modern Finder, the big news of the day wasn't from Apple. The announcement that major games are coming to the Mac, in some cases as a simultaneous release with Windows, is huge. I wish Apple had introduced a computer for running them on. Seriously, there's nothing in the current grid for an aspiring gamer or prosumer. Everything except the Mac Pro has limited or no video options and is powered by a notebook processor while the Pro is designed for customers who need an internal drive array, more than 4GB of RAM, and components with server level reliability. Introducing a real desktop computer might have prevented what happed to the stock price too.
I'll be looking for a way to set the menu bar back to completely opaque. Having the desktop picture show through any functional UI element is very bad for productivity.
The new Dock looks as bad as the current one: uses processor hogging eye candy, steals vertical space from wide screens that are already challenged in that direction and is centered so icons are in unpredictable locations.
Stacks look like a good idea for small collections of data. I think a designated Downloads stack makes sense for newbies, but anyone who downloads more than one thing per day should already have a folder set aside for that purpose.
I saw someone wondering why SJ didn't have a HD icon on his Desktop. Obviously it was done to show the ultimate clean Desktop, but that's already an option in Tiger. I've always got at least one Finder window open somewhere so I don't need to show my HD icons on the Desktop. I do like the gentle reminder of a desktop icon for removable volumes, however.
Aside from a modern Finder, the big news of the day wasn't from Apple. The announcement that major games are coming to the Mac, in some cases as a simultaneous release with Windows, is huge. I wish Apple had introduced a computer for running them on. Seriously, there's nothing in the current grid for an aspiring gamer or prosumer. Everything except the Mac Pro has limited or no video options and is powered by a notebook processor while the Pro is designed for customers who need an internal drive array, more than 4GB of RAM, and components with server level reliability. Introducing a real desktop computer might have prevented what happed to the stock price too.
I'm glad you liked the kino but Apple pushed expectations very high with al those 'Top Secret' Features that finally turned to be only 2 of the 10 things Steve showed today. Two features that aren't breathtaking: a stylized Finder that does the same as the old one and adds no further functionallity and a new Desktop that is only eye candy and not too much more.
It's reasonable to be dissapointed.
So did they REALLY revamp the finder or simply put more features on an already broken file browser? That's what I really want to know.
The people using it at WWDC seem to love it, and say that networking finally works.
I hope they fix the GMA950 issues with the CoverFlow scrollbar, especially if its going to be there all the time...
According to the only person who has posted on this thread who has actually used the Leopard Beta, we have a brand new cocoa, multi threaded Finder.
Steve mentions there that no-one uses the default desktop image in tiger?
I DO(almost)! aqua graphite and graphite appearance highlights on both my screens!
I do. WTF is the point of changing it? How many people actually sit around with no apps open?
Good question...although one wonders how much faster/slower looking in the stack is going to be compared with finding where the file is on your desktop if you have, say, more than 10 downloads on your desktop.
I knew that the WWDC wouldn't be as impressive as it was hyped up to be. I knew a bunch of you guys would be disappointed. [...] Now, why would Apple decide to release everything they've got (including all secret stuff) at the WWDC?
Are you trying to build up new hopes, so that we can be disappointed again after the next Apple event?
I want real, under the hood, productivity improvements, not a bunch of shiny new features to make me ignore the continuing lack of feature depth that a lot of Apple's software has. (And before anybody even starts, NO, I'm not a Windows person, nor have I ever been.)
So far, the Finder improvements look nice, but I want less frosting and more cake. Do we finally have a deep, fully functioning metadata system in the Finder? Can I go in and plug in countless tags for files like I can do with music in iTunes? Has Column View been updated so that it no longer feels like a beta idea?
And while I like the idea of Quick Look - so much so that I had it as a "feature" in my entry for the 10.5 mock-up contest before 10.5 was revealed - the feature is not AMAZING. It's nice, but not amazing. Amazing would be a lost list of feature upgrades/fixed to all of Apple's software that isn't just window dressing.
Plus, it's a little sad how excited I am that Mac OSX now actually looks consistent from app to app. That shouldn't be something I get excited about, because it shouldn't have been a problem in the first place.
And do tell me, why would we need the "Monkey" when we already have the "Organ Grinder"?
As far as appearing unappreciative of what (without the hype and expectation) would be considered great updates and enhancements, blame the Organ Grinder, for it was he who said that we would have secret features and that we'd be blown away by them (or words to that effect).
In addition to the disappointment at the lack of any WoW new features you have a lot of other reasons why so much stock was put in something big coming out today:-
- 6 months of festering (mainly in this place) at the lack of OSX feature updates.
- A slightly less than 100% satisfactory
TV release (no AVI, 5.1 or PVR etc.). - Anger at iPhone delaying Leopard - especially for the majority of global Mac users who will not see much of the iPhone until 2008.
- Vista overshadowing OSX - in terms of perceived if not real progress
- General perception of lack of focus from Apple on "traditional" core activity aka Macintosh & OS.
- Lack of hardware updates - especially those which offer state of the art performance for the price of a paper Casio watch.
Guys -- easy there. I think I can speak for some that we're dissapointed because the so-called SECRET FEATURES that we've all been waiting for turned out to be not quite so incredible. The situation is this: the two biggest features announced last year were SPACES and TIME MACHINE -- so it was easy to believe that the Secret ones would be even more awesome (and those were/are very cool) -- it seems they're still the stand out features even now that the Secret ones are out.
Stacks, Quick Look and the new Finder ARE great -- but -- I just don't think they're quite what some of us were hoping for. Personally, I thought we'd see Apple put Parallels out of business with PC underpinings right in Leopard (run PC software without Windows). We're not whining but we probably are grumbling just a bit. We've waited a long time for the final unveiling of this stuff and we're having to wait until October... I think we've earned the right to at least say something.
I too will chime in for support on your post. There are so many people on this board who make predictions which are completely unrealistic. Then they throw a tantrum when it does not happen. I suspect most are young gamers. They seem to omit the "It's all about me" attitude. This would explain why the substantial improvements to Leopard, go completely unnoticed by them. They really do not understand computers. They 'parrot' what they read, or hear. In many respects, they remind me of being a hot car teenager. I could name off all of the cool components (headers, hi-rise, dual-quads, roller-cam, dual point ignition, etc). I could even talk it. But, I really just had a vague idea of how it all worked. As for picking up a wrench....forget it.
Steve had 90 minutes and I think he made to most of them. As you stated, these are DEVELOPERS. They paid good money to attend, and learn how they can exploit the new technology. They probably would not take kindly to Steve spending their money to talk about Apple's plans for the iPod, Mini, or graphic card for the MP. All of that will become known in good time.
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I have to admit that I haven't read all the forums' postings, but what did the banners say that were covered? Any pics of them???
And do tell me, why would we need the "Monkey" when we already have the "Organ Grinder"?
As far as appearing unappreciative of what (without the hype and expectation) would be considered great updates and enhancements, blame the Organ Grinder, for it was he who said that we would have secret features and that we'd be blown away by them (or words to that effect).
In addition to the disappointment at the lack of any WoW new features you have a lot of other reasons why so much stock was put in something big coming out today:-
- 6 months of festering (mainly in this place) at the lack of OSX feature updates.
- A slightly less than 100% satisfactory
- Anger at iPhone delaying Leopard - especially for the majority of global Mac users who will not see much of the iPhone until 2008.
- Vista overshadowing OSX - in terms of perceived if not real progress
- General perception of lack of focus from Apple on "traditional" core activity aka Macintosh & OS.
- Lack of hardware updates - especially those which offer state of the art performance for the price of a paper Casio watch.
Rubbish. Your post is so obviously slanted, it loses any credibility.
Microsoft seems to think socvkimball said:
To be honest, after seeing the hideous menu bar and the new dock, I've come to the conclusion that Vista doesn't look that bad at all...
And speaking of developers...
am I the only one who would be interested in seeing him demo XCode? I'd also be interested in the code BEHIND the core animation demo. And finally, what of Objective-C 2.0? Is it finally going to feel like a modern programming language, not the clunky crap that it currently is (sorry, I know a lot of people love Obj-C but I'd rather code in C# than it, and that shames me greatly.)
Finally is XCode going to have actual usable code sense?
am I the only one who would be interested in seeing him demo XCode? I'd also be interested in the code BEHIND the core animation demo. And finally, what of Objective-C 2.0? Is it finally going to feel like a modern programming language, not the clunky crap that it currently is (sorry, I know a lot of people love Obj-C but I'd rather code in C# than it, and that shames me greatly.)
Finally is XCode going to have actual usable code sense?
Is this based on what they been doing over the last n months or based on how they are distributing the beta code?
Just want to separate something we know vs something we are assuming.