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WWDC: Leopard Details

I saw it running on a 12" PB

Evangelion said:
G4 will work with Leopard
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I'm at WWDC this week, and someone loaded the WWDC drop on a 12" PB. Makes me wish I would have brought mine.

I'll say it - It's a new OS, and it seems pretty snappy. Creating more consistency across apps and building more into Cocoa seems to have paid off.

I will say this though - the way the menu bar absorbs color from the underlying windows - blech!

Core Animation however is very cool and easy to add into aps. Looks smooth - even on the PB...
 
My 2 cents

The 2 main things that make me want to buy Leopard are 1: spaces, 2: a tabbed terminal (silly, I know - sorry, iTerm). Also, another very small feature that I am actually very happy about is in the parental controls - the internet activity log (it's a huge pain blocking sites - nice if your kids just know you will know everywhere they've been).

Now to gripe: of all the 300 new features, it seems like this one would be there: Syncing files! We've seen how nicely you can access all computers on your network and how Time Machine works, but what about a very important day-to-day task like keeping some files in sync across computers on your home network??? This seems like it would be something easy for them to add with all they've done with time machine, and it would be VERY useful for me!! Yes, there are lots of 3rd party solutions, and cvs, rsync, but I haven't found any that are perfect (extended attributes, etc.), and I think this is a problem that should be solved with the operating system software, not 3rd party.
 
That new dock is quite garish.

Does anyone else re-position their dock like I do? For years now I've been pinning it to the bottom left, as opposed to the center. The current dock looks fine that way, but this new one might be a bit of an eyesore. Hopefully it's an easy mod and there'll be apps aplenty to do just that.
 
EagerDragon said:
Just that Steve stated it was 64 bit, and that it could run 32 bit apps. A statement like that would say that you need a 64 bit system for the OS and that the os can run new 64 bit apps and old 32 bit apps.

Yes I known that leopard beta is running on 32 bit systems, but that does not necesarly mean it will be released as both 32 and 64.

Hey ALL, if anyone can get Apple to clarify it or post it, that leopard will run on PPC G4 and Core Duo / Solo??

Im sure some of you have contacts.
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If you re-watch the keynote well, you'll also notice that Steve Jobs said, approximatively:
"There is not 2 version of Leopard, one 32bits, and one 64bits, but only one that is both 32bits and 64bits".

Which means that Leopard will works on both 32bits and 64bits machines with the same version thanks to the Universal Binary mechanism (I think) which allows putting several different binaries in the same "executable" file.
 
LaMerVipere said:
That new dock is quite garish.

Does anyone else re-position their dock like I do? For years now I've been pinning it to the bottom left, as opposed to the center. The current dock looks fine that way, but this new one might be a bit of an eyesore. Hopefully it's an easy mod and there'll be apps aplenty to do just that.
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Not exactly, but I have my dock displayed on the left of my screen, and I was thinking the new dock might look awkward on the side.

I guess we'll see...
 
One good thing HAS come out of the WWDC announcements: the delayed shipping doesn't annoy me anymore. What, with all the "Top Secret" features that were released..I can wait for it to be shipped. Apple Inc are a smart bunch.

Edit: Just cause i joined this month..im not a switcher or hater or any of that sh*t..im a long time mac user and lover. juts a bit disappointed with Leopard details.
 
Gherkin said:
You think you'll still be able to put the dock on the left or right of the screen? I hate having it on the bottom.
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Steve demoed having the dock on the left, you can still do that, doesn't look as cool, but then again I never found it to look cool anywhere else then the bottom.
 
heeb said:
Syncing files! We've seen how nicely you can access all computers on your network and how Time Machine works, but what about a very important day-to-day task like keeping some files in sync across computers on your home network??? This seems like it would be something easy for them to add with all they've done with time machine, and it would be VERY useful for me!! Yes, there are lots of 3rd party solutions, and cvs, rsync, but I haven't found any that are perfect (extended attributes, etc.), and I think this is a problem that should be solved with the operating system software, not 3rd party.
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For live updates it's very difficult, until now I've only been able to find one product which can do this (and work with the Mac), and that is Novell iFolder3, the universal binary is kind of difficult to find, and it requires Mono....

Casper
 
Desktop stacks for downloads has to be my favorite new feature so far.

Most heavily used 'internet download' desktops look like a 'file cat' with diarrhea came strolling by and had an explosive sh*t all over it. This is a seriously good automated cleanup feature.

This combined with Coverflow, doc previews removing the ball ache of opening apps to find the right doc is simple stuff but actually serious sophisticated progress.
 
macinfojunkie said:
nd for 4TLOG, if Apple have time to do fancy search BS and cover art crap with the finder, surely they can manage a simple file browser which gets you navigate all your folders easily and move items without having to copy and delete. Finder is like the fisher price of file browsers for people who lack the cognitive ability to understand/remember where they put stuff!. Where's the move/cut feature already? Windows has had this since year dot and it is the 1 feature that I wish Apple would copy from MS - more-so than the eye Candy of Bill's latest offering.
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I'm sorry, but move without copying and delete has been a feature since OS X began. Within the same volume / disk image, you simply drag the file from one folder to the next and it's a move operation by default. To another volume/disk image/network share, the default drag is a copy (which makes sense), but if you want it to copy/delete "aka move" the file, simply hold the Apple key down and the "+" symbol disappears, clearly indicating the operation is a move, not a copy operation.
 
Exasperation

I must admit to being exasperated by the general tone of disappointment regarding Leopard.

This is just me, but I see that Leopard is a fundamental and quantum leap forward with OS X.

Sure those of you who wanted a particular look and feel or a particular theme for the OS maybe disappointed but is that what this is truly about? I mean get a grip, go make a really strong pot of coffee, pour one into a huge mug and sniff it!

I can think of a number of facets to Leopard that, each by themselves, completely repositions Leopard positively from Tiger and from Vista. It's years ahead. For example, take core animation.

This is the future for developing a wholly new UI's for applications. Isn't this significant - by itself? Doesn't this whet your appetite for what is to come with iLife and iWork?

Other features are just as significant: 64 bit and 32 bit application support. Means nothing to you now, but in a year you won't have to upgrade your OS as your favorite applications become 64 bit - you won't even know there is a change.

Please guys get a sense of proportion about the look and feel versus the plumbing and tools made available to the plumbers.

This version of OS X is absolutely great from a strategic perspective.

And you want WOW now? I just don't get it.
 
well i watched the keynote. the first thought that popped into my mind was........

the desktop is so vistaish....
 
I'm quite happy that Leopard doesn't look like a major revolution from Tiger. There is nothing in Tiger that I thought was horrible and needed changing, apart from a few superficial dislikes. In fact, I thought Tiger was excellent. Leopard just looks like Tiger plus some other useful stuff like Spaces, Stacks, Time Machine, a new Finder (though I'm not entirely convinced by the latter...).
 
I have a feeling that after we have used Leopard for a while, Tiger will seem old and dated. Yes, we whine about the new Dock and Menubar. But I bet that after we have actually used it, we wouldn't want to go back to their Tiger-equivalents.

And more I learn of the other new stuff in Leopard, the more impressed I am. I have a feeling that Leopard might be the last or next to last OS X, then we will get a new OS with more fundamental changes. But it's starting to seem that Apple has taken OS X as far as it could go. Maybe one more version (Lion?), but then it's on to new and better things.
 
Stacks??

does anyone know if the 'fan' version of stacks can be made to appear straight (vertical) rather than a bendy line, looks kinda weird and effectsy that way, anybody agree?
 
inkhead said:
[*]Speed up using solid state NAND or faster memory (like Vista ReadyBoost)
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What on earth do you mean by this? Surely this requries hardware (ie NAND or usb flash).

By posting this, you are casting serious doubt on the legitimacy of your other posts. I hate to be the guy who calls you on this, but can you please explain this?
 
I think it's a deliberate ploy to appeal to the Windows side of users.

Looks familiar to Vista so people will recognise it in some way, but then they'll realise that its got extra features which may then draw them to Apple.

When switching, people want to be assured that all the things they can do on a Vista machine, they'll be able to do on an Apple machine. If you make it look similar, a lot of that 'fear' is somewhat mitigated. Its a clever ploy on Apple's part I reckon.


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Personally, I think the secret features was over hyped somewhat . . . both by the way in which Apple announced secret features, but also the fans built them up.

I'd agree with the previous poster about how in reality, it is a pretty big thing. 64bit capable computing OS that can seamlessly handle older 32bit programs and run on both 32bit and 64bit systems? Thats pretty significant.

Leopard seems to have had a ton of work done on the core OS whilst refining and tweaking the manner in which it works to a high degree. I think its going to be a good product.


I'll be switching over.
 
deannnnn said:
It is really interesting to me how differently people feel about the new looks... features... etc. Anybody agree??

I mean some people can't get over how great Leopard is and how excited they are to use it while others are complaining about the ugly desktop and what not, lol.

And just to put in my 2 cents, I don't like the black apple/spotlight logo in the menu bar. I think the look now is cool and sleek. I also don't like how the edges of the new dock are slanted. I like just the square..... but hey those are minor design things. I think that Leopard is going to be great, and totally worth the money.
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The new dock is "slanted" to provide a three dimensional effect. The icons in the dock are sitting on a flat platform that extends into the desktop. This was done to provide a better visual appearance for stacks. Since the icons will now have depth to them, the dock had to have a 3-D appearance.
 
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