Um, the CPU's are 100% 64bit. The thing is that the chipset isn't capable of handling large amounts of RAM; but that has nothing to do with the bitness of the CPU. If the OS or app is 64bit, it will benefit, since the CPU is 64bit.
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Um, the CPU's are 100% 64bit. The thing is that the chipset isn't capable of handling large amounts of RAM; but that has nothing to do with the bitness of the CPU. If the OS or app is 64bit, it will benefit, since the CPU is 64bit.
It doesn't actually take that much in GPU power.
What puts pressure on a gaming video card: 1. Lots and lots and lots of triangles to draw. Coverflow showing 15 CD covers is only 30 triangles, that is nothing. 2. Lots and lots of per pixel calculations. All these effects don't really do very much, mostly reading a texture, and a bit of alpha blending. That is easy. 3. Gamers want 60 frames per second. While you will be noticing stuttering, I don't think a frame rate of 15 frames per second will be very noticable. 4. Games cover the whole screen. All these effects usually happen on a quite limited part of the screen only. For example the new Safari "Find" feature only covers a few thousand pixels, even though it looks impressive. The work that the graphics card does is directly related to the area covered.
So I am quite confident that a MacBook will be doing very fine, and older G4 Macs will probably do fine as well.
In other words, there is no difference between a MB with 3GB RAM and a MBP with 3GB RAM. The only difference is that on the new MBP, you _could_ add 4 GB today, and probably 8GB in two years time, and you can't do that with the MB.
My impression was quite the opposite. Everyone knows what Vista looks like, every TV advertisement having the same useless stacked windows. Useless "frozen glass" transparency that serves no purpose but eating GPU cycles and making stuff unreadable. And here comes Apple, showing them how it is really done. Effects that look stunning, _and_ at the same time they are actually useful. What people were laughing about was Vista.
Your display setting will be slightly more complicated. You will be able to change the resolution of your display the same as now, and that will make LCD screens blurry. The only case where it is not blurry is if you change to exactly half size, for example for running a video game that is otherwise to demanding for your graphics card.
But you can also choose how large you want things displayed, and if the application is resolution independent, it can display things bigger but just as sharp as before. So if your eyesight isn't the best, you can put a MacBook at 1280 x 800 and a MBP at 1920 x 1200 side by side and make them display exactly the same things, except that the MBP will display them both bigger and sharper at the same time.
However you do not need to upgrade your 32 bit applications, they can be run by Leopard in a 64 bit system (core 2 duo, G5, and above).
No G4, no G3, no Core duo, need apply.
Weird that Apple would not permit 5 Mill users or so to upgrade to Leopard.
Absolute nonsense. Tiger = full 32 bit PPC + full 32 bit Intel + a bit of 64 bit PPC + a bit of 64 bit Intel. Leopard = full 32 bit PPC + full 32 bit Intel + full 64 bit PPC + full 64 bit Intel. Runs on any 32 bit or 64 bit PowerPC or Intel.
For applications, the developer decides which of these four variants are included in an application. 32 bit PPC = runs everywhere. 64 bit PPC = runs on 64 bit PPC. 32 bit Intel = runs on any 32 bit or 64 bit Intel. 64 bit Intel = runs on 64 bit Intel.
+1. After all the slagging and whining Apple does about Vista and MS stealing their ideas they go and steal one of the worst aspects of Vista: Transparency.
Absolutely hideous.
It doesn't even do that, it's horrible looking. It reminds me of the faux dock applications you can get for Windows and Linux. I hope it can be turned off like the transparent menu-bar.
Yup +1.
Make no mistake, there were NO top-secret features. New finder, which was long overdue an update, along with an aero rip-off and that's all we got. We basically got 80% the same keynote as last year, but with a horrible OSX theme.
It would be funny is Microsoft did a side-by-side comparison of Vista and OS X and pointed out how Apple ripped off their default background, the transparent UI-elements and the like
. That said, I kinda do like the new Desktop. The transparent menubar does look a bit "meh" right now, but I'll reserve my judgement 'till I have actually used it.
It would be funny is Microsoft did a side-by-side comparison of Vista and OS X and pointed out how Apple ripped off their default background, the transparent UI-elements and the like
Well it appears that the transparent menubar can be turned off, and if the same is the case with the dock (with the ability to have it as it is currently) I'll be a happy bunny.
I think the current desktop theme is more elegant and professional looking.
Pretty dark times. I went to bed early last night. I decided, after thinking about it a while, that I don't like the direction that Leopard is heading. And that means, I guess, that I'll be staying with Tiger.
Oh well.
Oh well.
Well, all in all, Leopard IS still a lot better than Tiger. It's not like they took Tiger and made it worse. what are the things that people (well, some of them at least) seem to be disliking? The new menubar and Dock. Menubar can be made to look like it does today. That leaves the Dock. Assuming that it can't be made to look like it does today, is it a big enough reason to avoid Leopard? Functionally, the two docks are 90% identical. Excluding Stacks, most of the changes are cosmetic.
I honestly dont understand posts like this. Leopard represents an improvement over Tiger in almost every single aspect.
Now, if Leopard was completely different to Tiger I could almost understand. But its not. And thats the reason a lot of people are mad because its more evolution than revolution - so how can people complain that its heading in a new direction?
i'm glad i came to these forums and found that i wasn't the only one that absolutely hates the transparent menu bar. luckily it can be disabled.
i'm also surprised to find that most ppl are generally disappointed. i actually think it's a nice little upgrade. it might not be worth forking out $129 for the updates, but if u're deciding to wait or buy an MBP, it's enough to make you wait for the new OS.
i'm glad they have made improvements to the things i had gripes about previously:
* safari & tabs
* finder
* dock (stacks will probably be used a lot)
* ical improvements
oh there was no mention of the Terminal, but i hope that gets some tabbing.
i'm also surprised to find that most ppl are generally disappointed. i actually think it's a nice little upgrade. it might not be worth forking out $129 for the updates, but if u're deciding to wait or buy an MBP, it's enough to make you wait for the new OS.
i'm glad they have made improvements to the things i had gripes about previously:
* safari & tabs
* finder
* dock (stacks will probably be used a lot)
* ical improvements
oh there was no mention of the Terminal, but i hope that gets some tabbing.
Could u please explain what exactly u would have the Apple engineers working on that would be more important than things like:
New Finder / New Desktop (Stacks) / Quicklook / Spaces / Updated Spotlight which will make managing & finding files even faster and more intuitive than ever before. All these apps integrate perfectly with each other in an uncomplicated way... they will work seamlessly together.
Timemachine / iChat which have alot of eye candy but the core (new) functions will be extremely useful to many people. Those not needing them can choose to ignore them. They wont "get in the way"
Multicore support. System components and API's have been improved and implemented to allow Leopard to make much better use of multiple cores. The new API's will allow developers to easily make there apps perform on multiple cores without lots of extra coding. This was a nessesity.
Unix / 64bit Many unix improvements including full certification, automatic network performance tuning, a multithreaded file system, and a new terminal application, new high performance API's (Streaming I/O), and better monitoring and scripting tools for developers. These are the kinds of improvements that have to be made in order for "true" progress to be made.
Blu-ray & HD-DVD support / Shared folders / Networking imporovements (Interface and under the hood) Bluray support has been mentioned but not confirmed ... and from what i hear sharing individual folders has been implemented in a secure, easy to use way... which is a great feature. And there have been lots of improvements to networking which for me is one of the biggest reasons i will enjoy leopard.
Core Animation This is the technology that will eventually allow some of the most creative and mind blowing applications and interfaces we will ever see to be realised. I think this feature has been greatly underappreciated. Not many people seem to be realizing the potential for what is possible with core animation !
These are just some features which will have taken a great amount of work to do properly, and most of them appear to have been perfectly implemented (although i would reserve final judgement untill it is realesed).
So seriously... what more do some of you people expect ? what are these mysterious features that you obviously feel are so missing from Leopard that Apple should have prioritized over what has been included ??????
You can't possibly believe that.
People were laughing at what was in front of them. No deep thought required. The amount of thought involved was: It looks like Vista, so this must be a joke, laughter. All in a second after seeing it. If they didn't think what was in front of them was a joke, they wouldn't have laughed. Simple as that. They thought it was put up and they'd get a 'just joking!' from Steve.
Instead Steve said 'well, we picked this image because we thought it was nice, but you will pick your own'. You could see he got derailed. It is a decent image, it's not that they were laughing because it was of grass. Macro shots of grass are hardly funny.
There's been no mastery at work with OSX's GUI. A common look for all windows is the right way to go but the one being touted now is pure boredom. The menu bar transparency (thankfully optional) and the pseudo 3d dock (hopefully hackable) both not as good as Tiger or Panther.
Humm, my opinion is that, we (Apple users) are usually expecting to be surprised at ALL times, the fact is, creativity isn't as simple as that. My point is... I think Apple reached a stall.
I'm not saying this because I dislike what they showed in Leopard or the iPhone (as an example) but, for people who are used to following Apple's releases, we know that they've come up with a lot of great things in the past 2 years (especially) and it was inevitable to reach a creativity block.
Still, I like how Leopard is shaping up to be, I like the new Finder, Stacks, the new Dock etc etc... what I wanted more was to see some core animation driven UI, like the animations in stacks but applied to more places, I think it would make a big difference in the public's perception.
Besides my opinion being that Apple Design crew's creativity flow has reduced temporarily, due to exaustion, I still see no reasons for people to whine all the time, Leopard will be the most rock solid OS Apple has ever made, and I think that the security, stability, robustness upgrade of Leopard worths the 130$ alone, but that's just me...
But seriously, MacRumors IS becoming MacWhiners... it's all iPhone hate bottled inside
"New MBP's DON'T have a satelite dish? BLAME THE IPHONE!"
"WTF? Leopard doesn't bundle with a SPACESHIP?? APPLE DIE!!"
(to illustrate what I usually read)
I'm not saying this because I dislike what they showed in Leopard or the iPhone (as an example) but, for people who are used to following Apple's releases, we know that they've come up with a lot of great things in the past 2 years (especially) and it was inevitable to reach a creativity block.
Still, I like how Leopard is shaping up to be, I like the new Finder, Stacks, the new Dock etc etc... what I wanted more was to see some core animation driven UI, like the animations in stacks but applied to more places, I think it would make a big difference in the public's perception.
Besides my opinion being that Apple Design crew's creativity flow has reduced temporarily, due to exaustion, I still see no reasons for people to whine all the time, Leopard will be the most rock solid OS Apple has ever made, and I think that the security, stability, robustness upgrade of Leopard worths the 130$ alone, but that's just me...
But seriously, MacRumors IS becoming MacWhiners... it's all iPhone hate bottled inside
"New MBP's DON'T have a satelite dish? BLAME THE IPHONE!"
"WTF? Leopard doesn't bundle with a SPACESHIP?? APPLE DIE!!"
(to illustrate what I usually read
)Exactly. A lot of whining going on around here. I feel like everyone is having a tantrum because Steve Jobs didn't listen to their own personal needs. It's truly pathetic.
Testy testy.
I misspoke, actually. I like the direction that Leopard is heading in -- it's just doing it too damned slowly. I should have said that I dislike the direction that Apple is taking. Steve doesn't seem to be all that excited by what has come from the past couple years of development, so why should I? There's only so much excitement I can feel over a phone. I prefer the OS, really.
Granted, there are some philistines on here that believe OS X is as good as it could possibly be at this point in time, just because Linux and Windows suck more. I disagree. I think this was a very conservative update, rather unimaginative, and geared to make us ooh and aah and wait enthusiastically for the next update... and the next... and the next. Business as usual.
I'm simply dissatisfied. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because I honestly don't think any of this is all that exciting anymore. It's your decision about whether or not it should affect your daily lives (but it shouldn't).
So relax. Chillllll
Yeah, the Apple+F is WAY better with Leopard. SO much easier, it lets you know how many instances of a particular word or phrase are available and is integrated within the menu bar of Safari. Perfect.
Leopard has a lot of "detail" oriented improvements that aren't noticeable unless you use the system, which is why I believe a lot of people are disappointed. It's all "under the hood" work and a lot of people were expecting more pomp and circumstance. Most of the features will not be noticed until used, so reserving judgment until that day seems the most logical conclusion.
Has everyone become a Windows user on here or am I in a bad dream?
I bet that the updated user interface in leopard is still not done, and that we will see a more refined one closer to release.
i think core-animation is amazing and probably THE feature on leopard.
but what is a little disappointing about it that apple didn't do more with it. they're leaving it up to the other dev's to come up with cool stu.
sure time machine is via core-animation but i was more hoping for stuff that sj demoed with those hundreds of video-clips (that looks like apple tv intro).
but what is a little disappointing about it that apple didn't do more with it. they're leaving it up to the other dev's to come up with cool stu.
sure time machine is via core-animation but i was more hoping for stuff that sj demoed with those hundreds of video-clips (that looks like apple tv intro).
A good point and i understand where your coming from but i think the thing you have to remember is that Apples key objective with OSX (it is only an OS after all) is to balance the simplicity and visual flare of the OS with a low performance penalty for such features.
I believe we will see alot more of core animation in Apples own applications in the coming years... but only when it is appropriate. As for OSX I think Apple are pretty good at judging when an core animation type effect will be both useful/easy to use for the user and also justify any performance penalties it may incur.
And as hardware performance increases this will allow more of these effects to be used in time. I believe this is a good example of why the multi-core optimisations in leopard are a good step forward. Becuase they lay the foundations for better performance which free up the resources for these kinds of effects.