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Look. Love it or hate it the semi-transparency of the menubar makes sense. They are visually reinforcing that the menubar is less important than the application window.

They should do headsets which you can wear so OSX knows where your eyes are looking on your display at any one time. Then drop the opacity to 50% of everything you're not looking at.

Oh yeah.
 
That guy is the biggest pimp of our generation.

You made me chuckle, I was envisioning iChat not only replacing the background, but also his cloths to some good old fashion pimp outfits with lots of bling bling, doing the same actions as he did in the video.
there's the next feature for iChat, to project clothes on someone, that way I don't have to get dressed when someone tries to start a video chat w/ me :p

I looked at the gallery pics and it looks like they still have the icon for the remote help tool on the bottom of the ichat buddy list so I'm calming down now
 
Thus far, Leopard has failed to live up to expectations. It's been all hype ... "Top Secret" features and it's been touted by Apple as "Vista 2.0"

Today's keynote showed nothing to back up those claims.
 
And it seemed great - I was expecting more "wow" perhaps from the secret features.

I'd give it time. Something tells me there's more to come until October. I wouldn't be surprised if iChat 4 has live video conferencing with the iPhone, yet to be released.

I've also heard rumor that part of the delay is for more added features, such as the ability to customize the graphical user interface with different colors, effects and such. Time will tell.
 
Did I missunderstand that????

Leopard is 64 bit thru and thru, it can run 32 bit apps but the OS is 64 bit. As G4's are only 32 bit, that means many of us can not upgrade to Leopard?

Boy that sucks

Leopard will be both 32 and 64-bit. It will just run app's faster if you have a 64 bit machine. If you have a 32 bit machine, it'll be fine.
 
don't like the stacks and the coverflow at all. files are in alphabetical/date order in nested folders and should be viewed in a list view like the column view in the current finder. that's all just for effects but the human brain needs list views with text, not 3D effects and pictures.

also don't like the transparent menue bar and the 3D dock. looks all AERO like and just clutters up the desktop. i had hoped they come up with something like the task bar in windows XP. you can aesily see what windows are there and just get to them in one click.

i hope these visual effects are just optional and one can switch to a hierarchical finder with list views.

i also don't like desktop pictures. makes it just harder to find stuff. a nice even background with some pattern to hide uneven lighting of the screen is simple and better. but i'm sure that can be changed in 5 seconds;)

but as always it's possible that the new design grows on me and turns out to be more efficient and practical than what i think now.
 
No no no.

You can run 32-Bit apps inside Leopard.

You can surely run Leopard on a 32-Bit chip?

Rich.

:eek: :( Acconding to the statement .... Leopard is 64 bits, so you need a 64 bit CPU to run it.

However you do not need to upgrade your 32 bit applications, they can be run by Leopard in a 64 bit system (core 2 duo, G5, and above).

No G4, no G3, no Core duo, need apply.

Weird that Apple would not permit 5 Mill users or so to upgrade to Leopard.
 
Do all current Macs support Safe Sleep?
That's an interesting question. OS X goes into Safe Sleep mode when there is absolutely no charge left in the battery, so at least all Apple notebooks support it. ...I'm assuming all desktops have the ability, but have never had a reason to utilize it.
 
Look. Love it or hate it the semi-transparency of the menubar makes sense. They are visually reinforcing that the menubar is less important than the application window.

aehm, the menue bar is part of the application because there select what i want to do. how can it be less important. it is the application.:confused:
 
So does anyone else think that the coverflow interface is horribly overrated? I played with it once or twice in iTunes and haven't looked at it since. It's pretty and all, but unless everything has a preview its totally useless. I cant use it in iTunes because half my music doesnt have cover (even with their "get cover art" feature) and I don't have hours to drag and drop from Amazon (or want to mess with any 3rd party apps). In the finder its going to be worse. Whats the point of flipping through a pile of generic Quark document icons? Unless they magically figured out a way to preview something besides picture files and PDFs.

It sounds like they'll be supporting many document types, and with things like movies and PDF's you'll be able to watch the movie and page through the PDF straight from the browser. In the case of something like Quark specifically, they said they have a plugin format to handle other documents. So the quark guys could create a plugin that would show thumbnails (assuming they aren't created automatically) and even "open" the doc without having to open the app.
 
Not much point in releasing as a Universal binary if the G4s won't run it.

Note that it runs 64-bit alongside 32-bit applications. If you install it on a 32-bit machine, you just don't get the 64-bitness.

Not necessarily, G5s could still run it. But I think you're right (I hope).
 
cvkimball said:
Does a change in eye-candy constitute a new operating system?


Windows 2000 pro = Wnindows 5.0
Windows XP pro = Windows 5.1
The major differences were just the eye candy
I haven't played with Vista (Windows 6.0) much yet, but from what I hear (from average users)
they don't notice much more than eye candy either.

Answer: Microsoft thinks so
and sadly I have friends that are more worried about eye candy in KDE or GNOME than other functionality in Linux, so maybe there's some merit to that philosophy ? (not that I subscribe to it)
 
don't like the stacks and the coverflow at all. files are in alphabetical/date order in nested folders and should be viewed in a list view like the column view in the current finder. that's all just for effects but the human brain needs list views with text, not 3D effects and pictures.

also don't like the transparent menue bar and the 3D dock. looks all AERO like and just clutters up the desktop. i had hoped they come up with something like the task bar in windows XP. you can aesily see what windows are there and just get to them in one click.

i hope these visual effects are just optional and one can switch to a hierarchical finder with list views.

i also don't like desktop pictures. makes it just harder to find stuff. a nice even background with some pattern to hide uneven lighting of the screen is simple and better. but i'm sure that can be changed in 5 seconds;)

but as always it's possible that the new design grows on me and turns out to be more efficient and practical than what i think now.

Agreed.

Apart from the possibility of it growing on me.

I can't help but get the picture in my head of Steve jobs kid coming into the office, playing with the look of OSX, and then being handed a book of wildlife. 'Pick a name for it out of here son, we'll ship it in 6 months.'
 
iChat screen sharing moved to finder?

From the images of the new finder on the Apple site it appears that the screen sharing feature previously touted to be included in ichat is now part of the finder.

It seems to suggest that any connected system can be remotely controlled (assuming correct permissions i assume) by clicking on a button in the finder ! :)
 
On the old Leopard preview page there was a feature listed for iChat that is no longer listed. (or maybe I'm just blind)

iChat had a remote help tool built in (kind of like the remote assistance in Windows messenger / live messenger etc. for windows ; but looked a lot easier to use.)

This was a feature I was really hoping for, I hope it is not gone, and that it just wasn't as glamorous to show as some kid eating a fake fish or drinking from a waterfall.

Yeah, it's gone from the preview site :( ...I guess we can hope they are still planning on implementing it. I've got several friends that are very slowly learning the Mac, and this feature would have been awesome. Guess I'll have to resort to pointing the iSight at my monitor a little while longer.:rolleyes:
 
Leopard

I agree - in this respect I was a little disappointed we didn't see more. But in the end, from what I could gather, the updates to the OS seem pretty solid and I'm happy with them. I'm looking forward to seeing them in action on the actual keynote once it's posted...

The best is yet to come :) Now that developers have a copy, great new functionality can be garnered via Core Animation, 64 Bit architecture, etc. The Leopard arena is wide open for amazing development and new features.
The next four months will be highly productive to be sure.
 
so, judging by the forums, I'm the only one that was kind of hoping for iwork and ilife 07....

No, you aren't alone.

An update to iLife (especially Pages -- I'm quite happy with Keynote as it is right now) was the <i>only</> thing I was really hoping to see.

I don't need an iPhone, a touch-screen iPod, an ultraportable (though that would have been a nice announcement!) or any other new gizmos.

What I do need is a word-processing app that runs native on Intel Macs and isn't bloated like we all know Office 2008 will be. I was hoping an updated Pages would be that app.

Ah, well, at least I still have NeoOffice...
 
Meh.
Nothing to be crazy about. I think we expected too much, and we didn't get what we wanted, at least not yet.
I'll wait some time as October approaches and see where the other 290 features are.
There has to be more "wow" there somewhere.
If this is it, I highly doubt I'm buying it.
 
Yeah, it's gone from the preview site :( ...I guess we can hope they are still planning on implementing it. I've got several friends that are very slowly learning the Mac, and this feature would have been awesome. Guess I'll have to resort to pointing the iSight at my monitor a little while longer.:rolleyes:

Check my post above... ;)
 
Stacks looks like a fantastic feature.

For example:

A web developer could group all of my web browsers together into a stack, with 1 click on the stack allowing you to pick which browser to open up. Makes the dock much less cluttered.

I have several audio related apps (iTunes, Max, iVolume, etc.). A stack would allow easy access to these apps without cluttering the dock.

Or perhaps putting all of your Adobe apps into a stack.

Or a bunch of different files you are working on, you can put into a stack to have easy access to them.

Or a stack for apps you don't normally use but want easy access to.

That is very nice and something I have wanted for a long time.
 
:eek: :( Acconding to the statement .... Leopard is 64 bits, so you need a 64 bit CPU to run it.

However you do not need to upgrade your 32 bit applications, they can be run by Leopard in a 64 bit system (core 2 duo, G5, and above).

No G4, no G3, no Core duo, need apply.

Weird that Apple would not permit 5 Mill users or so to upgrade to Leopard.

According to WHAT statement? I haven't seen this anywhere. Apple needs to be more clear about this, but since they talk about 32 bit support it sure sounds like it will run on 32 bit machines. Heck, Apple is still selling 32 bit machines today. And they only updated the laptops to 64 a few weeks ago.
 
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