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Average, ok, fine - that's all!

was i the only one who was disapointed by the lack of development in Leopard and the anouncements made in the keynote in general?

i mean, after delaying Leopard by half a year and with the rumors flying around i was expecting a blistering array of announcments from apple with a radically new interface (not just transparency and coverflow...whoopty doo), new apps, a show of the next versions of iLife and iWork plus a new iMac and iPod.

i am used to being wowed by the keynotes, iPhone was incredible, WWDC previewing leopard also blew me away.

i am left hollow having not seen anything new, apple ruined the excitement by showing it's main features at the last WWDC. :(

however, i will still buy leopard and the iPhone, I LUV :apple:
 
Is anyone else confused with the "unified" interface? It's like they began to change all the apps over to the iTunes look, and stopped halfway. The scrollbars and a lot of buttons are still Aqua. Maybe the interface isn't finished yet? (I can't find any traces of Aqua on apple's site.)

Whatever, I'm sure UNO will be updated to restore OS X to normalcy...
 
What happened to the iChat feature that allows you to control a desktop remotely? I needed that feature.

Secret Features = Missing Features

I agree. There is no mention of this feature any longer. To me, it was one of the more compelling features of iChat.
 
Well damnit. That was one main thing I was looking for.

That and a function within Bootcamp so I wouldn't have to buy Parallels. (Being able to switch without a restart.)

Looks like I did get that.

Yeah, i just noticed to that the "shared desktop" or whatever it was called is now missing from apples website. It's a shame as that feature was a major upgrade! It would have allowed people to work from home in a way never thought of before ... and is a feature that would bring many corporate types to the mac.

say lave
 
does anyone else think that the transparent menu bar looks absolutely disgusting?

I do. It does not add any functionality or beauty. I think Apple added up to the let's-do-it-flashy-and-let´s-say-it's-new team much more like Vista developers did. The same happens to Finder, it's a very poor improvement.
 
Well WWDC was a bit meh. They really shouldn't have mentioned 'secret features' for Leopard given the size and power of the rumor mill that surrounds Apple. They're gonna get cranked out of all proportion regardless of what Apple comes up with. 'OMGZ, can we now time travel, before Windows users'. No, you've got a neater dock *******. They shouldn't have mentioned 'secret features' that is, unless they had some features worth keeping secret. hohoho.

Safari on Windows was a good move. Mail next! :apple:
 
What's new?

Does a change in eye-candy constitute a new operating system?


So much hype, so little substance. Perhaps it's the Apple way.
 
Look. Love it or hate it the semi-transparency of the menubar makes sense. They are visually reinforcing that the menubar is less important than the application window.
 
Overall I'm pretty satisfied with what we've seen regarding Leopard today. I will refrain from making any final judgments until I actually see the keynote to see these features in action, but in principle, they all seem pretty solid. I really like the idea of essentially expanding coverflow to the entire OS as well, as it's such an intuitive way to manage and navigate things.

I was thinking about how this a "halo effect" play by Apple. The first experience most Windows users have with Apple software is iTunes. Should they choose to move to Mac, they will perhaps be more comfortable with the Finder interface.
 
iChat

On the old Leopard preview page there was a feature listed for iChat that is no longer listed. (or maybe I'm just blind)

iChat had a remote help tool built in (kind of like the remote assistance in Windows messenger / live messenger etc. for windows ; but looked a lot easier to use.)

This was a feature I was really hoping for, I hope it is not gone, and that it just wasn't as glamorous to show as some kid eating a fake fish or drinking from a waterfall.
 
There is no "Computer" in the title anymore!

Lame lame lame. Worst SJ keynote ever.

Does anyone question anymore that Apple is only about iPhone? They've over stretched themselves. They can't keep up with the ideas.

Leopard secret features: HA! There are NONE!

New Mac hardware? HA! There is none. I'll believe rumors of a new iMac and mini laptop when I see it. All I believe is that they are going to kill the Mac Mini, which I think is a mistake unless they replace it with something.

Sure hope the iPhone can live up to the hype.
 
This is what I think of todays keynote

The new dock ss nice, nothing amazing but it can be useful. I like the new view and features in Finder but I would have liked if they added tabs and the ability to cut and paste files. The new DVD player looks neat. For me Ichat is useless since I dont have a .mac or aim account. Maybe they should let people with gmail account use it too. Right now, skype is better for me.

Other than that I dont not see the point of going over last years features as if they were brand new. It would have been an outstanding keynote if they were all relesed today for the very first time. It seems that people is getting bored of time machine and spaces and they have not even used them yet.

So instead of looking in to the future, we went to see the past. :)

On, I will get Leopard when it come out.
 
Some interesting Points...

Some other interesting points not mentioned yet (from the Apple site)...

"UNIX certification.
Leopard is now an Open Brand UNIX 03 Registered Product, conforming to the SUSv3 and POSIX 1003.1 specifications for the C API, Shell Utilities, and Threads. Since Leopard can compile and run all your existing UNIX 03-compliant code, you can deploy it in environments that demand full conformance — complete with hooks to maintain compatibility with existing software."

"Multiple cores, multiple efficiencies.
The new Leopard scheduler is very efficient at allocating tasks across multiple cores and processors. So Leopard spends less time managing tasks and more time performing computations. A new multithreaded network stack speeds up networking by handling network inputs and outputs in parallel."

...more...

"Multicore apps in Leopard.
Apple engineers have updated several applications in Leopard — including Mail, Address Book, and Font Utility — to be fully multicore ready. Each of these apps breaks up processor-intensive actions into a series of more manageable steps that execute one by one on single-CPU computers and in parallel on newer, multicore systems. Cocoa uses that same technology to speed up Spotlight searches and Dictionary lookups."

...more....

"Smooth operator.
How did Apple engineers pull this off? By using NSOperation, a breakthrough new API that optimizes applications for the world of multicore processing. Independent chunks of computation (operations) are added to an NSOperationQueue, which dynamically determines how many operations to run in parallel based on the current architectures. So there’s no need to hand-code the complexities of threading and locking. You simply describe the operations in a program along with their dependencies. Cocoa takes care of the rest."

"Streaming I/O.
The new IOStream class in IOKit provides a high-level API for managing DMAs and other high-bandwidth data transfers, without the need to optimize caching strategies for different hardware architectures. This also forms the basis of the new IOVideo family, designed to support professional-level video cards. These new APIs make it easier for developers to take full advantage of both cutting-edge and previous-generation hardware"

"Self-Tuning TCP.
Leopard gets the best possible bandwidth from either broadband or narrowband networks by optimizing buffer sizes according to the local resources and connection type. Starting with a larger window helps TCP with ongoing dynamic optimization. This is especially valuable when connecting to high-bandwidth/high-latency networks like Verizon’s FiOS, which previously required specialized tools such as Broadband Tuner."

"Autofs.
The brand-new multithreaded autofs filesystem layer keeps track of which paths are actually located on remote AFP, SMB, or NFS fileservers — even across symlinks — and automatically mounts the appropriate server. The Finder and other applications needn’t wait for one mount to complete before requesting another. Now you can specify automount paths for your entire organization using the same standard automounter maps (e.g., NIS) supported by Linux or Solaris."

:)
 
so, judging by the forums, I'm the only one that was kind of hoping for iwork and ilife 07....

To really go out on a limb, would it just be me or an itunes finder isn't enough to make me fork out €129... even if i could have a new dock...
 
Seemed kinda meh to me. Only new thing is the new Finder/desktop. Even then, they just used the iTunes stuff. This seemed just like a review of last year's WWDC & this year's MWSF. While I like how the windows will be all the same and the new features, I'd have to play around w/ them before making a definite decision.

Been using Safari on Vista on my MBP to see how it worked. Few bugs, but seemed to work well.

In the next version (10.6? 11.0?), I hope they ditch PowerPC and go all the way w/ Intel. Carbon, HIToolbox & all the other pre-OS X leftovers are just getting old. They need to upgrade & optimize all their code. Like text to speech & speech recognition. The TTS voices sounded terrible when first introduced and sound even worse now. For speech recognition, I have to over enunciate every word. I'd like to speak normally and just have it work. I'd love to speak commands to my computer Star Trek style. I'd also like to speak into word processing apps like Word since I'm REALLY slow at typing. One other feature is like how you can right/control click on a misspelled word and offer suggestions on correct spelling, but w/ a thesaurus.
 
PPC G4 No leopard?

Did I missunderstand that????

Leopard is 64 bit thru and thru, it can run 32 bit apps but the OS is 64 bit. As G4's are only 32 bit, that means many of us can not upgrade to Leopard?

Boy that sucks
 
does anyone else think that the transparent menu bar looks absolutely disgusting?

yes. how come they dont just make an option to make the menu bar function like the dock, with autohide? the transparency effect just looks half-assed, like they did it just so that they could say that they did something to it. weaksauce. i was expecting more. whatever happened to, "oh just one more thing...."
 
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