stukick said:
I can't find them, either.
I'd bet that, if you live near an Apple Store, you could find them shortly at a discount, the display models at least.
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I can't find them, either.
I'd bet that, if you live near an Apple Store, you could find them shortly at a discount, the display models at least.
thatwendigo said:Whine, whine, whine... I'm just waiting for the cries of "Apple's going to go under because of this" before I sit back and consider the Keynote complete.
If you pay Apple's prices for RAM, then you're a chump to begin with, but since you want to bring pricing into things:
Alienware MJ-12 4500 Extreme Digital Content Creation Workstation
Dual AMD Opteron 250 2.4ghz
Windows XP Professional
Corsair 3GB PC3200
nVidia Quadro FX 1100 128MB
2x 250GB SATA RAID O
Enermax 550W PSU
2x NEC LCD 3000 30" LCD (Costs $3,350 each - more than Apple - with only 1600 x 1200 resolution, 450cd/m2, 350:1 contrast)
No iLife or other Apple software.
Cost: $12,778
Apple PowerMac G5
Dual IBM PowerPC 970FX 2.5ghz
OS X 10.3
4GB PC 3200
nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra 256MB
2x 250GB SATA
2x Apple Cinema Display 30" (2560x1600, 270cd/m2, 400:1 contrast)
iLife, built-in security, lack of MS patches, etc.
Cost: $11,522
There are one or two points in the PC's favor, but not $1,200 worth of them. The only thing it has that isn't available on the PowerMac at the moment is that Quadro card, and the display is crappy as hell on resolution while also being more expensive.
Dell E152FP 15" Flat Panel
TFT/Active Matrix
Analog RGB
Viewing Angle: 60 H, 50V
Response: 25ms
Brightness: 250
Contrast: 350:1
1024x768
That's a third of the viewing angle, slower response time, and vastly lower resolutions than the Apple screens. Just to be fair, let's look at their more size-comparable monitors...
Delll UltraSharp 2001FP 20" Flat Panel
TFT/Active Matrix
Analog or DVI
Viewing Angle: 85 H and V
Response: 16ms
Brightness: 250
Contrast: 600:1
1600x1200
That was my first thought when the price was announced. I was just waiting to see what people were going to say here, and boy... I knew what was coming.
even though you are correct in the points your making i configured other systems for quite a bit cheaper... but there obviously not from large companys like apple or alienware.... but never the less dual processor fully loaded...but thats not the point
the point is that if you need a top system with dual 30inch monitors... your time is also going to be very precious, so your not going to mind paying for this, apples top end is very good value...
BOYCOTT
LET START A BOYCOTT ON APPLE NEW LCD. They will lower the price if we boycott!
Me and my pet fish are going to boycott. Who is coming with me?
no I am serious about boycotting. I was going to get 20" but the price it is still the same. I guess I am going to sharp 20" wide screen with tv tuner.
LET START A BOYCOTT ON APPLE NEW LCD. They will lower the price if we boycott!
Me and my pet fish are going to boycott. Who is coming with me?
no I am serious about boycotting. I was going to get 20" but the price it is still the same. I guess I am going to sharp 20" wide screen with tv tuner.
kaneda said:LET START A BOYCOTT ON APPLE NEW LCD. They will lower the price if we boycott!
Me and my pet fish are going to boycott. Who is coming with me?
no I am serious about boycotting. I was going to get 20" but the price it is still the same. I guess I am going to sharp 20" wide screen with tv tuner.
im ust going to get one of those eyegernomiscs.... the look sweeeet
Edit... screw that there now growing on me slightly
stukick said:
Eventually (when the new displays are shipping?) they'll be in the refurb/sales section because those two have been replaced by the new ones, meaning the old displays will not be placed anywhere but in the sales/refurb section...
Thay are not formally selling the old 20'' or the old 23'' anymore...
But yeah, try an Apple Store, they should still have them most definately...
bertagert said:
Okay for:
1.) I understood what you said. It seems to me if you use the stand, that the base would have to be so heavy to keep that 30" screen from flopping forward, that you would have to reinforce your desk.
2.) If you own a pc, yes you could indeed connect it, but you can also get a similar brand for a few hundred less to use. I use a pc at work and have one at home, for work I bring home. But use it as little as possible because I would rather be on my Mac. But that's just me.
3.) But I do agree with you this would be kind of stupid as the powerbook really isn't the machine to do work on that a 30" screen would allow compared to a powermac.
4.) And also with not buying an acd adapter.
So I do see the light, do you?
()verBored said:
now i don't know what type of game (games) you play, but 16ms is useless for counterstrike f.e. (or any other fps like unreal2004, doom3, quake etc.). i tested (playing counterstrike) a couple of monitors with that response time and what happens is that the models leave a trail behind them, making it impossible for you to correctly aim at strafing opponents. for shooters your display should be better than 12ms imho (better yet, below 10ms
).if you play strategy stuff like warcraft, starcraft and so on, it doesn't really make too much of a difference. 16ms is more than enough.
the colour depth question is hard for me to answer since being a counterstrike player, we tend to go for pure performance anyway (16bit, anti-aliasing off...).
This kind of half-assed comparison is EXACTLY what I was complaining about in my earlier post. CHECK YOUR DAMN FACTS!!!!Mav451 said:I believe some (well those who did their research), may be referring to one of the more recent, PC side "gaming" LCDs, the ViewSonic VP201B.
http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/proseries/vp201b/
Now, I say it is a "gaming" monitor b/c its optimum resolution is perfect for just that--1600 x 1200 on 20". (low-end gaming is typically 1024 x 768 on the PC side, with 1280 being mid, and 1600 finishing at the top)
The Apple LCDs (23" and 30", not the 20" however) get a much higher resolution. And because of the the higher resolution, the video card is stressed quite a bit more in games. That is the reason that 1600x1200 on the ViewSonic is just fine for the gamer, b/c it is not only largely compatible with most gaming resolutions (no black spaces), but not too high that the video card would be overwhelmed by resolution.
The Viewsonic is also HDTV 720p ready and of course 16ms pixel response. Thank god that 16ms response is now a standard
*oops almost forgot. The Viewsonic 20" runs for $989 @ Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=24-116-285&depa=0
So yeah, about $300 less than the Apple 20".
If you wanna find out more about the VP201B, you can find a 6-page review @ Gamepc.com:http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=vp201b&page=1
Let's do a quick search, shall we? Here is the Sony 23" widescreen at NewEgg: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-006-031&depa=0
It costs $2100. Gee, the Apple widescreen display costs $2000... $100 less. <sarcasm>I guess Apple is overcharging and raping their customers yet again. </sarcasm>
The 20" Viewsonic monitor you compare to the Apple 20" CD to is NOT a WIDESCREEN monitor. WIDESCREEN LCDs are, across the board, significantly more expensive than 4:3 ratio screens. No matter who makes them. Those are the screens you need to compare the apple displays to. Widescreen is a whole different ballgame... designed for high end graphics, and in particular, video editing, where the wide aspect ratio matches the footage you are editing. Widescreen displays do not enjoy the same economy of scale that 4:3 displays do.
If you do not need a widescreen aspect ration display to do your WORK, don't waste your money on these screens... they are not built or marketed to your market segment. If you do need a widescreen display, have at, because these look like nice monitors at a reasonable price, considering the competition.
Again... if you don't NEED widescreen displays, look elsewhere and save your money. YOU will be better served by a less-expensive standard ratio display. Bummer you don't get the apple logo, but they are not in the business to be all things to all people. But don't gripe about the displays that are intended for different market segment not being a perfect fit for you and your wallet.
Yayyyy. Reserved a 23" display and airport express. I would have liked a price drop, but what the hell...I'm pretty happy with them. I'm surprised nobody mentioned this yet, but the nice thing about the new displays (even though ugly) is that a powerbook can nestle right in on top of the foot in clamshell mode. That's a pretty nice feature if you ask me- not to mention you can leave all your peripherals plugged in to the monitor (FW400, USB) and essentially use that DVI snake as a convenient "dock"- quick plug and play (not the usual drop the individual f*****g cords behind your desk and bang your head on the keyboard tray when trying to find 'em).
Nevertheless, they should have looked like this:
http://www.eyegonomic.com/page.dsp?page=188
Nevertheless, they should have looked like this:
http://www.eyegonomic.com/page.dsp?page=188
eyegernomics LCD url ?
Does anyone have the url for the eyegernomics lcds could you please post it.
Does anyone have the url for the eyegernomics lcds could you please post it.
m.r.m. said:
Err... you realize that the fastest pixel response time (rise + fall) available today in only a very few LCDs is 12 ms, don't you?
They are just amazing.. a 20 inch is a perfect match for me, now I just hope that they wont be priced at a higher point in Turkey then they are in other EU countries.. 1299 euros seems nice for example..
CompuDude said:
Dude, first there no reason for your language.
And for the 20" monitors you may be right. But Viewsonic has a very capable wide-screen 17" (N1700w http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=456709) that gives the 17' from Apple a good run for the money.
One happy switcher!
Well, I've been wanting to switch for so long but wanted to wait for the right time. Based on the rumors here, I figured that I didn't need to wait for WWDC since the rumored updates didn't seem that great. So, right before the Brilliant Savings promo ended (like on the 25th), I ordered my dual 1.8 with the 23in display. Today, I find out that they upgraded me to the new 23in display for free -AND I will still qualify for the $500 rebate!
Of course, the downside is the new display's ship date is on or before July 27. The wait'll kill me...
Now, I just have to pray I don't have the freezing problems others seem to have.
Well, I've been wanting to switch for so long but wanted to wait for the right time. Based on the rumors here, I figured that I didn't need to wait for WWDC since the rumored updates didn't seem that great. So, right before the Brilliant Savings promo ended (like on the 25th), I ordered my dual 1.8 with the 23in display. Today, I find out that they upgraded me to the new 23in display for free -AND I will still qualify for the $500 rebate!
Of course, the downside is the new display's ship date is on or before July 27. The wait'll kill me...
Now, I just have to pray I don't have the freezing problems others seem to have.
iRic said:Well, I've been wanting to switch for so long but wanted to wait for the right time. Based on the rumors here, I figured that I didn't need to wait for WWDC since the rumored updates didn't seem that great. So, right before the Brilliant Savings promo ended (like on the 25th), I ordered my dual 1.8 with the 23in display. Today, I find out that they upgraded me to the new 23in display for free -AND I will still qualify for the $500 rebate!
Of course, the downside is the new display's ship date is on or before July 27. The wait'll kill me...
Now, I just have to pray I don't have the freezing problems others seem to have.
nicely played slick,
enjoy it
While you're probably right, I wouldn't advise a store-display LCD. They've been on for months, if not a year constantly (no screensaver or sleep) and we all know that LCD's don't have unlimited life.jsw said:
omg
check out the new dual 30 inch displays.... what a crisp picture
http://www.jonshier.com/gallery/wwdc
amazing photos
check out the new dual 30 inch displays.... what a crisp picture
http://www.jonshier.com/gallery/wwdc
amazing photos
AL-FAMOUS said:
WOW! Makes you realize how awesomely designed these displays really are. I want one so bad! Of course, dual 30" is overkill for me. Heck, a single 30" is overkill for me. I'll be buying a 20" around christmas time. Thanks for the link!
I only wish the monitors were available today! I need a new monitor for my recently ordered powermac. I wonder why there's a delay. Is Apple waiting to get excess inventory out of the channels or is it a manufacturing issue?
Amnybody hear any better estimtes besides the Apple Store's published 2-4 weeks time frame? 2-4 weeks could me end of July.
Amnybody hear any better estimtes besides the Apple Store's published 2-4 weeks time frame? 2-4 weeks could me end of July.
Capt Underpants said:
i really like the picture of all three together.... that thirty is huge... when i win the potto then im getting dual processing dual monitor beast.....al man says...oh yeah ( thans duff man lol )
The sales support people told me today that mine is due to ship on the 27th, but that's always a very sketchy proposition with new products from Apple. I'll believe it when I see it.
I'd ordered a new PMac and 23" display weeks ago to take advantage of the Brilliant Savings rebate so, when I got the email yesterday informing me of the free upgrade to the new version of the monitor, I called them up.
They assured me that the rebate would still hold because I bought it in time. I was waffling on whether or not to just get the old monitor - they told me they still had them in stock - but I decided to wait and use the new PowerMac with my existing monitor. Why? The contrast and brightness specs convinced me. I like the old and new designs, so it wasn't form factor that swayed me, just performance.
I'd guess a month till they ship, but you never know.
I'd ordered a new PMac and 23" display weeks ago to take advantage of the Brilliant Savings rebate so, when I got the email yesterday informing me of the free upgrade to the new version of the monitor, I called them up.
They assured me that the rebate would still hold because I bought it in time. I was waffling on whether or not to just get the old monitor - they told me they still had them in stock - but I decided to wait and use the new PowerMac with my existing monitor. Why? The contrast and brightness specs convinced me. I like the old and new designs, so it wasn't form factor that swayed me, just performance.
I'd guess a month till they ship, but you never know.
AHHHHHHHH!!!
After reading this topic I am going to go INSANE!!! Everyone is making comparisons which are completely bewildering, no one is really looking at the amazing beauty and hard core solid edge technology these displays bring.
Looks, okay fine some users don't like the way the new displays look... that is all about personal preference. Me, I think they are extremely sexy, why? Because first of all you have no annoying plastic, everything is solid aluminium, it looks good and I bet is sturdier than ever. I personally use a Dual Viewsonic VP171b setup right now and the displays shake sometimes when I type, they are REALLY nice monitors but are plasticy. Back to the looks though, these new Apple monitors don't look anything close to Dell's, go find me a solid aluminum display that dell is selling. They are sleek, smooth, yet tough, I love the look.
So what about the specs? Resolution, Brightness, Contrast, Response time, Pixle Pitch, etc. Most EVERYONE is overlooking this. While some of you are legit and actually look and compare before making blatent annoying statements most people are just comparing Inches to Inches. This is sheer ignorence.
First of all the 100 pixles per inch on these monitors is amazing, I am sure they look absolutely crisp and stunning. See if you find this on most PC monitors, also see if you see less than a .25mm pitch, once again this just means extremely crisp text, sweet images, and easy on the eyes.
Second, the resolutions are all nice, a lot of 19" and 20" 3rd party displays look good until you realize they only have a 1280 resolution, oh wow... that's sweet, why not buy a 17" instead. The apple display, BESIDES being wide screen, offers a very nice resolution, that not only is easy on the eyes and easy to work with. But is big enough to accomplish a lot of tasks.
How about response time, people sit here and make outragous and crazy comments that are uneducated about 16ms response time. 16ms is EXTREMELY good, you will never see ghosting, how do I know? Both of my monitors run 16ms response time and I have watched many fast pace DVDs, and played a TON of games. Screens with a 20ms response time and below RARELY ever ghost. The fact that apple has been able to include such a nice response time in such a high size monitors is amazing.
Lets continue onward to brightness and contrast. Contrast, while these monitors may not be 600 to 1, 400 to 1 is extremely good. To give you an idea the past Apple monitors which are some of the best looking monitors I have seen had a contrast ratio of 350 to 1. I have a 500 to 1 on my current VP171B's and it hurts my eyes when it's all the way up I keep it at just about 2/3 in the settings. Brightness, my current monitors have a 260 birghtness, and they are SOO bright. I keep it lower than max brightness at all times. Apple's displays have 250 and 270 now.
Now throw in the convinience of one cable out the back, and a fire wire and usb2 hub...
I am getting somewhat tired of writing, but these monitors which apple has released are EXTREMELY nice. Top of the line monitor technology, and of course being apple I expected nothing less. People try to compare but nothing beats what apple has released. They may have certain aspects that are better but in the end they won't match up overall.
I am currently saving up to get dual 20's to replace my dual 17's setup. Although it's very very expensive (like all apple products) no one ever does the all in one package like apple does.
Top of the line technology and design is what apple delivers. And it is what I have come to love about them. No matter what, even if it costs more you never get skimped on quality. They produce extremely nice products, that looks and function well for all users. If you are willing to pay the price you never come back wishing you hadn't done it.
After reading this topic I am going to go INSANE!!! Everyone is making comparisons which are completely bewildering, no one is really looking at the amazing beauty and hard core solid edge technology these displays bring.
Looks, okay fine some users don't like the way the new displays look... that is all about personal preference. Me, I think they are extremely sexy, why? Because first of all you have no annoying plastic, everything is solid aluminium, it looks good and I bet is sturdier than ever. I personally use a Dual Viewsonic VP171b setup right now and the displays shake sometimes when I type, they are REALLY nice monitors but are plasticy. Back to the looks though, these new Apple monitors don't look anything close to Dell's, go find me a solid aluminum display that dell is selling. They are sleek, smooth, yet tough, I love the look.
So what about the specs? Resolution, Brightness, Contrast, Response time, Pixle Pitch, etc. Most EVERYONE is overlooking this. While some of you are legit and actually look and compare before making blatent annoying statements most people are just comparing Inches to Inches. This is sheer ignorence.
First of all the 100 pixles per inch on these monitors is amazing, I am sure they look absolutely crisp and stunning. See if you find this on most PC monitors, also see if you see less than a .25mm pitch, once again this just means extremely crisp text, sweet images, and easy on the eyes.
Second, the resolutions are all nice, a lot of 19" and 20" 3rd party displays look good until you realize they only have a 1280 resolution, oh wow... that's sweet, why not buy a 17" instead. The apple display, BESIDES being wide screen, offers a very nice resolution, that not only is easy on the eyes and easy to work with. But is big enough to accomplish a lot of tasks.
How about response time, people sit here and make outragous and crazy comments that are uneducated about 16ms response time. 16ms is EXTREMELY good, you will never see ghosting, how do I know? Both of my monitors run 16ms response time and I have watched many fast pace DVDs, and played a TON of games. Screens with a 20ms response time and below RARELY ever ghost. The fact that apple has been able to include such a nice response time in such a high size monitors is amazing.
Lets continue onward to brightness and contrast. Contrast, while these monitors may not be 600 to 1, 400 to 1 is extremely good. To give you an idea the past Apple monitors which are some of the best looking monitors I have seen had a contrast ratio of 350 to 1. I have a 500 to 1 on my current VP171B's and it hurts my eyes when it's all the way up I keep it at just about 2/3 in the settings. Brightness, my current monitors have a 260 birghtness, and they are SOO bright. I keep it lower than max brightness at all times. Apple's displays have 250 and 270 now.
Now throw in the convinience of one cable out the back, and a fire wire and usb2 hub...
I am getting somewhat tired of writing, but these monitors which apple has released are EXTREMELY nice. Top of the line monitor technology, and of course being apple I expected nothing less. People try to compare but nothing beats what apple has released. They may have certain aspects that are better but in the end they won't match up overall.
I am currently saving up to get dual 20's to replace my dual 17's setup. Although it's very very expensive (like all apple products) no one ever does the all in one package like apple does.
Top of the line technology and design is what apple delivers. And it is what I have come to love about them. No matter what, even if it costs more you never get skimped on quality. They produce extremely nice products, that looks and function well for all users. If you are willing to pay the price you never come back wishing you hadn't done it.