Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
army_guy said:
Unless apples 2% market share actually increases nothings gona change for MAC gaming, developers wont port or ports will take months if they cant make a reasonable amount of profit from doing so. How many users of that 2% will actually buy that MAC port.

I am not sure I believe in your 2% number. That might be Apple's overall market share, including the business world, but I believe Apple's percentage of home users is significantly higher.

My point is that if games are being developed for the same architecture anyway, then it will no longer be a long and costly process to port games. Maybe then something along the lines of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic would make it to the Mac very quickly. Obviously many great games are worth the expensive and long porting process now. Logically, when porting is simpler and cheaper, more games will make the transition and the quality of the ports will increase as well.
 
i am just wondering what would be the proper amount of video memory to run an external monitor (new 23'' apple display) off a powerbook? do u think that the 12'' powerbook having 64mb would be enough. also does anyone know if the 5200 card will be updated anytime soon. if anyone has any experience with this sort of setup let me know. thanks
 
jsw said:
Note that the monitor sizes are diagonal. A 17" monitor with a 4:3 aspect ratio would have a width of 13.6" and a height of 10.2". Two of them - and we're only counting the actual display part, neglecting borders - would have a width of 27.2" and the same height of 10.2", leading to a diagonal of ~29".

However, such a display would have a total screen area of ~277 square inches, whereas a 4:3 aspect ratio 34" monitor would have a screen area of ~555 square inches - twice as big (a 4:3 34" monitor has a width of 27.2" but a height of 20.4").

Widescreen monitors have slightly different numbers - a widescreen monitor with the same diagonal as a 4:3 monitor has less screen area. But the basics still apply. The 30" Apple display has a screen area of, by my extrapolations, ~410 square inches.

Of course, pixel density also matters. A lot. If your screen size is the same, but you have half the pixels, you're still behind.

A good 17" 4:3 monitor will do 1280x1024. Two of them would yield ~2.62M pixels. Pretty good. The Apple has 4.1M pixels. In one place. With no border in between.
that is still34" diagonal, but i see your point.
 
2% is for home users, as for bussiness it depends on the area. MACS dominate DTP and alot of audio but other than that its only a few percent for anything else and 0% for what I work in (VLSI etc..) The EDA industry is smack in the middle of a transition to LINUX and IBM as far as I know is being left behind, ive never beem a fan of IBM and never will be IMO the only good thing from them is LOTUS NOTES, thier semiconductor processes and the AS400 servers.
 
what is for educational. I thought there were 25 million mac users in america, is that worldwide instead?
 
army_guy said:
2% is for home users, as for bussiness it depends on the area. MACS dominate DTP and alot of audio but other than that its only a few percent for anything else and 0% for what I work in (VLSI etc..) The EDA industry is smack in the middle of a transition to LINUX and IBM as far as I know is being left behind, ive never beem a fan of IBM and never will be IMO the only good thing from them is LOTUS NOTES, thier semiconductor processes and the AS400 servers.

Macintosh is not an acronym.

Please refrain from using "MAC".

Thanks

Citizens For The Prevention Of Using Nonexistant Acronyms
(CFTPOUNA)
 
thedogcow said:
Macintosh is not an acronym.

Please refrain from using "MAC".

Thanks

Citizens For The Prevention Of Using Nonexistant Acronyms
(CFTPOUNA)

The acronym MAC exists in reference to computer technology. It's not nonexistant. ;)
 
It's your lucky day!

Capt Underpants said:
I was really hoping for a $999 entry level 20" monitor, but I guess you can't have everything. I figured they would go with the one cable splitting into a FW, USB, Power, and Video. It's a very good solution to the clutter problem. I just wish Apple sold some aluminum speakers that sat on the side of the monitors. That would be kick A$$.

Sure you can! :D
 
That's Ironic...

thedogcow said:
Macintosh is not an acronym.

Please refrain from using "MAC".

Thanks

Citizens For The Prevention Of Using Nonexistant Acronyms
(CFTPOUNA)

Kinda IRONIC, but I think that to be a "correct acronym" you have to be able to read it like "NAFTA" (North American Free Trade Agreement), or "RAM" (random access memory). Unless CFTPOUNA is read "cehftpouna" it's an incorrect use of an acryonym.
:)
 
A Great Problem

I ordered a new Powermac a few weeks ago from my reseller and he just got the computer ready on last Friday to ship (custom upgrades for video editing). He ordered the old 23" cinema display and Monday he found out Apple couldn't provide the old display and he took a day or two to search for one without any luck. So as I understand it I'm still included in the Brilliant Savings Promo. Which is great - new display and $500 off!
However, I had him go ahead and ship the powermac - and its arriving tomorrow. :D :D :D
My "great problem" is that I have to buy a monitor for the interim. Although I could buy a monitor and return it within 14 days at best buy or circuit city, I wouldn't mind keeping a second monitor (maybe I'm looking for an excuse to have a second monitor). So - my new Apple 23" HD Cinema display will connect to the powermac via a DVI cable. The second monitor I bought is DVI or VGA. How do I connect both Monitors at the same time? ADC-DVI cable?
I couldn't find one on the Apple site, I found a few third party cables, though. Anybody have any experience with this? Any suggestions?

ADC-DVI cable $33.49 http://www.welovemacs.com/mcaadcdvi.html

Thanks,
W
 
If you have use for two displays then go ahead. Check with Apple, but I think that both of them might be covered by Applecare. You really lucked out getting the $500 off and one of the brand new one's. Which Power Mac did you purchase?
 
I'm doing video editing so I need a lot of display real estate. However, I originally compared dual monitors to a single 23" cinema display. Now I'm talking about a 23" cinema display and another LCD. Probably overkill.
I ordered a dual 2.0, mainly because I needed it before August. I'm also a little concerned about being a first adopter of liquid cooling (in a production Mac), but mainly its the shipping thing.

W
 
Downdivx said:
I'm doing video editing so I need a lot of display real estate. However, I originally compared dual monitors to a single 23" cinema display. Now I'm talking about a 23" cinema display and another LCD. Probably overkill.
I ordered a dual 2.0, mainly because I needed it before August. I'm also a little concerned about being a first adopter of liquid cooling (in a production Mac), but mainly its the shipping thing.

W

I'm sure that you will be very pleased with your purchase. Although the dual 2.5's are shipping in late July, it just depends on your target date. I personally have no fear about the new liquid cool technology, since ti has been around for a while. There is always AppleCare and I have an Apple Sore just ten minutes away. Also with ProCare and the ProCard, I'm confident that i would be well taken care of when needed.
 
Mav451 said:
The next step down is actually 1600 x 1200, but yeah I see what you mean.

3840 x 2400 / 41 Hz
1280 x 1024 / 60 Hz
1024 x 768 / 60 Hz
1600 x 1200 / 60 Hz
640 x 480 / 72 Hz
640 x 480 / 75 Hz
640 x 480 / 85 Hz
800 x 600 / 56 Hz

actually the step down is 1920x1200
he T221 22.2-inch QXGA-W Flat Panel Color Monitor (9503) features factory-preset display modes. The actual display modes used depend upon the attaching system unit, the operating system, and application software Addressability (Horizontal x Vertical Pixels) / (Incoming video refresh rate)



640 x 480 (60 Hz NI)
1024 x 768 (70 Hz)
1920 x 1200 (48 Hz)

640 x 480 (72 Hz)
1024 x 768 (75 Hz)
3840 x 2400 41 Hz, 4 tile mode, 4x single DVI

720 x 400 (60 Hz)
1024 x 768 (85 Hz)
3840 x 2400 41 Hz, 4 stripe mode, 4x single DVI

800 x 600 (60 Hz)
1280 x 1024 (60 Hz)
3840 x 2400 48 Hz, 2 stripe mode, 2x Dual DVI with 2x converter

800 x 600 (75 Hz)
1280 x 1024 (75 Hz)
3840 x 2400 41 Hz, 2 stripe mode, 2x Dual DVI with 2x converter

800 x 600 (85 Hz)
1600 x 1200 (60 Hz)
3840 x 2400 24 Hz, 2 stripe mode, 2x single DVI

1024 x 768 (60 Hz)
1920 x 1200 (41 Hz)
3840 x 2400 20 Hz, single screen dual DVI with 1x converter
 
IMHO I think the new screens are very competitively priced for what they are offering. Givin they are not cheap, but like all Apple products premium don't come cheap.

My question is do people think they are "overpriced" with the education discount?

And would it be easier to swollow if the edu prices were the normal set price?
 
wdlove said:
I agree, now that the monitor has the aluminum look. It's time for the keyboard and mouse to follow suit. I like the look of your mouse, it's very futuristic looking. The blue is awesome. :)

it's a STARCK design. commissioned by Microsoft. it feels rather cheap in the flesh. :(
 
daveg5 said:
that is still34" diagonal, but i see your point.

No, it's not. For further info, I'd like to refer you to my friend Pythagoras.

Edit: More info: In fact, you'd need to have 4 17"s to have 1 34", assuming the same proportions.
 
sinclairZX81 said:
it's a STARCK design. commissioned by Microsoft. it feels rather cheap in the flesh. :(

where can you get your hands on it? I thought the unveiling's on July 8th.
 
Mercury said:
No, it's not. For further info, I'd like to refer you to my friend Pythagoras.

Edit: More info: In fact, you'd need to have 4 17"s to have 1 34", assuming the same proportions.

No one said assuming the same proportion at first?
Good point you are saying if I hear you correctly, measure a 17" and than put another 17" on the top right corner of the screen and you will get 34, so I am right, however your top right area is no empty as is your bottom right, so if you fill those in, you will then have 4 17". which would mean we are both right, 2 17" =34" two ways diagonal, way 4 17= 34 four ways diagonal.
Of course i could argue proportions, resolutions, pixels,wide or standard format, all play equally. it can be any where from 1-10 17"'s. as there are 17"crt's at least that can display up to1920x1080 to as little as 640X480, I dont know if there are 34", but Apple's 30" can show very low resolutions, lower than the 17" or very high resolutions, So unless you give a specific formula for the computation, it can be all over the place.
NICE PLAY ON WORDS in technicality. but you can just take a tape measure and measure each seventeen inch monitor, i guarantee if you then add those to together you will get 34!
know i do get your point that a single 34" monitor would have roughly 3-5 times the pixels because it would scale in width and length.
Just like Apples 30" has roughly 4 times the pixels as a 17" and twice the pixels of (77%) the 23".
But that can be played the opposite way also. the IBM 221 is 22.2" and has 9.2 million pixels. The Apple displays are 30" and have 4 million pixels, so 30"+30" does not equal 22.2 using that same equation.
So I stand by my first statement, 17"+17" diagonal equal 34" diagonal when asked in the simplest way. However if you are comparing the two by pixels or two screens to one or adding anything or ratio like screen length etc. to the formula, you can custom make any legitimate answer.
It all depends on how the question is ask and what formula you used, and you never gave us a formula you just said two 17's do not equal 34, so the ones like me that took that at it's simplest terms, disagreed and rightfully so, but your point is true, depending on how the sum is arrived at.
 
apple 30" or barco 21.5"?

just surfing pass the BARCO site, they have this monitor:
CORONIS® 5MP MAMMO with 2048 x 2560 pixels but only 21.3" screen.
don't know how much, but i think it will be more expensive than apple 30"?
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.