Macrumors said:
This is bad. When Think Secret says there will be no iMacs..there will be no iMacs. If apple only introduce new displays, there are going to be a lot of disappoint mac fans around here...
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WWDC - No iMacs, but Yes Displays?
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This is bad. When Think Secret says there will be no iMacs..there will be no iMacs. If apple only introduce new displays, there are going to be a lot of disappoint mac fans around here...
Mac|caM said:
Thats what I told the guys that told me...
Then I asked them what are they on...
But who knows it might not be a half ball anymore??? anyone care to suggest any new iMac Base designs?? maybe it could be a full sphere that hovers 3 inches above your desk..
Look, if the G4's in the current iMac's did not go to 1.5 ghz when the powerbooks and emac's did, and the stores have like no supply of these computers, what is Apple doing..discontinuing the system that saved them until it can handle a G5? I'm not too sure about that...
no imac updates would be a complete disapointment! iMacs dont compare to the eMacs anymore if you factor in pricing. Looking at each of the product lines, it would make perfect sense for the imac to have a single processor G5. otherwise the product lines for apple would go from cheap/lowend: emac,imac > midend: NOTHING > highend: powermac
now im not saying the G4 is a lowend processor, its still competitive compared to a P4 but considering apples new technology it is.
now im not saying the G4 is a lowend processor, its still competitive compared to a P4 but considering apples new technology it is.
appleguy said:
I am getting kind of tired of Apples "well we don't have a faster processor, so lets just slap a bigger monitor on it" policy towards imacs. The problem with this is that they don't make them any cheaper when they do this. What does the 20' iMac cost? $2000? For a "consumer" machine. It is ridiculous.
Apple needs to do something with the imac, and just slapping, yet bigger display on them is not the answer...
I hate to be the doom and gloom guy around here, but things have not quite went as expected with the G5. Now this is only a guess backed by no facts, but my guess is that they planned to have a g5 imac, then ran into a wall, a really hot wall. Expect a slapped together 1.5 g4 wiz bang non-update quietly released in a month or two.intrepkid21 said:
intrepkid21 said:
Maybe your right. I normally think of Think Secret as a lock-in. There info is usually late (as in, only a few days) but highly accurate. But maybe they are wrong this time.. I hope so anyway. I guess we will just have to wait tilll monday..
Ah man, I wanted a G5 iMac cuz I couldn't wait for a G5 powerbook and can't afford a powermac.
I'll cross my fingers and just have to wait for monday.
Could Tiger really be that awesome to talk about during the WWDC. There has to be other jaw dropping announcement.
I'll cross my fingers and just have to wait for monday.
Could Tiger really be that awesome to talk about during the WWDC. There has to be other jaw dropping announcement.
What a perfect end to this crappy day. What a lousy day at work. Been waiting for a new iMac for months now and could almost taste it and then I come home, open a beer and find this thread. I guess I'll be back to placing my mouse pad on the floor, facing Cupertino and praying that Apple will take my damn money.
Those bastards, as much as I don't want a PM due to its size, they're going to force me into buyng one.
Those bastards, as much as I don't want a PM due to its size, they're going to force me into buyng one.
intrepkid21 said:
This sums it up! And let me add that I think it would be a shame to discontinue the current iMac form factor. If the base has to grow a little, so be it. It's still a fantastic package - elegant, quiet and space efficient. It's like a Porsche 911 in a world of SUVs.
I personally don't get the current iMac... if I were in the market, I would either have money and/or want power (namely, G5 and display), or have little money and/or just need sufficient power (namely, eMac).
Is the iMac just for the eMac audience with chub for a flat screen? Seems to be so! I would NEVER spend that much more money for a non-removable display... which isn't to knock the design marvel of the iMac. Then again, the Cube was marvelous as well.
Anyway, I get that I am not the target for the machines, but they really ought to be updated... not even necessarily with a G5, but just UPDATED.
Yes, Apple, we get it. You can't get the G5 in a tight little iMac space. FINE. So in the meantime, why not add OTHER value to the G4 iMac line? Add RAM to base configurations, better graphics cards, bigger hard drives, built in airport/bluetooth, and/or lower price -- SOMETHING to add some value to the aging line. Or just pull a flower/dalmatian and release limited edition colors in the Mini shades. There are lots of ways to update the iMac and increase sales before the G5 or a design change even enter the picture.
Is the iMac just for the eMac audience with chub for a flat screen? Seems to be so! I would NEVER spend that much more money for a non-removable display... which isn't to knock the design marvel of the iMac. Then again, the Cube was marvelous as well.
Anyway, I get that I am not the target for the machines, but they really ought to be updated... not even necessarily with a G5, but just UPDATED.
Yes, Apple, we get it. You can't get the G5 in a tight little iMac space. FINE. So in the meantime, why not add OTHER value to the G4 iMac line? Add RAM to base configurations, better graphics cards, bigger hard drives, built in airport/bluetooth, and/or lower price -- SOMETHING to add some value to the aging line. Or just pull a flower/dalmatian and release limited edition colors in the Mini shades. There are lots of ways to update the iMac and increase sales before the G5 or a design change even enter the picture.
New displays on their own?
The one question that puzzles me is whether Apple ever refreshed its whole display line (with a new look) - just on its own?
We've been waiting for aluminium displays for more than a year now. Why would Apple introduce them all of a sudden? Just because now is the time they depleted stocks? Then why introduce them at WWDC at all? Why not just do a press release as Apple did with the new PowerMacs?
As far as I remember, completely redesigned screens were always introduced alongside new hardware that needed those screens.
So maybe if new screens are indeed introduced at WWDC, a new Mac might also get introduced?
- a headless iMac?
- a new Cube or other small desktop Mac?
- a workstation class quad CPU Mac?
(At least our funky French rumor mongers talk about prototype quad CPU G5 motherboards.
I know that the current liquid cooling block wouldn't fit twice in a PowerMac case, but who is to say that a quad CPU motherboard wouldn't come with a differently designed liquid cooling block, one which fits yet cools 4 CPUs?
And since IBM obviously has problems scaling the CPU speed, one way to go is sideways by differentiating Macs via their number of CPUs not their speed: iMacs 1, PowerMacs 2, MacStation 4)
The one question that puzzles me is whether Apple ever refreshed its whole display line (with a new look) - just on its own?
We've been waiting for aluminium displays for more than a year now. Why would Apple introduce them all of a sudden? Just because now is the time they depleted stocks? Then why introduce them at WWDC at all? Why not just do a press release as Apple did with the new PowerMacs?
As far as I remember, completely redesigned screens were always introduced alongside new hardware that needed those screens.
So maybe if new screens are indeed introduced at WWDC, a new Mac might also get introduced?
- a headless iMac?
- a new Cube or other small desktop Mac?
- a workstation class quad CPU Mac?
(At least our funky French rumor mongers talk about prototype quad CPU G5 motherboards.
I know that the current liquid cooling block wouldn't fit twice in a PowerMac case, but who is to say that a quad CPU motherboard wouldn't come with a differently designed liquid cooling block, one which fits yet cools 4 CPUs?
And since IBM obviously has problems scaling the CPU speed, one way to go is sideways by differentiating Macs via their number of CPUs not their speed: iMacs 1, PowerMacs 2, MacStation 4)
funny
It's a good thing someone has a good sense of humor around here.
I hope they do come out with the new iMacs though. My broker called and suggested that I sell my stock because it's gone up so much lately. I refused when it was 33.5. It ended at 33.18 as a result of this announcement, so I hope it's wrong.
By the way, whatever happened to MacOSRumors?
macmumma said:I think that Steve will stand up there, go on and on about Tiger, and then, he will release a wifi ipod, the rumored monitors, and he WILL reveal the new G5 iMac. 1.8Ghz, 2 GHZ and a 2.5 (single) with a massive screen
It's a good thing someone has a good sense of humor around here.
I hope they do come out with the new iMacs though. My broker called and suggested that I sell my stock because it's gone up so much lately. I refused when it was 33.5. It ended at 33.18 as a result of this announcement, so I hope it's wrong.
By the way, whatever happened to MacOSRumors?
Oh I also want to remind people that this is WWDC, not a MacExpo.
Just because Steve Jobs HAS in the past used WWDC as a platform for introducing new products, we should view that as the exception and not the rule.
We should expect nothing outside of a Tiger preview. If he introduces something else, nice bonus. I don't want to hear any whiney brats pissing on about "No PowerBook G5! No iMac G5! No Video iPod! And what about the PDA and tablet?!?!!?"
All that said, I honestly have NO idea what Tiger is going to be like. Besides making it faster, I cannot think of anything I would like that Panther does not have. And frankly, Panther is already fast enough on my under-1GHZ G4.
Just because Steve Jobs HAS in the past used WWDC as a platform for introducing new products, we should view that as the exception and not the rule.
We should expect nothing outside of a Tiger preview. If he introduces something else, nice bonus. I don't want to hear any whiney brats pissing on about "No PowerBook G5! No iMac G5! No Video iPod! And what about the PDA and tablet?!?!!?"
All that said, I honestly have NO idea what Tiger is going to be like. Besides making it faster, I cannot think of anything I would like that Panther does not have. And frankly, Panther is already fast enough on my under-1GHZ G4.
if no g5, why no speedbump?
If Thinksecret is right I have one question: Why haven't they put a 1.5 g4 in the imac then? If they are right what has been the hold up, they could've at least provided a speed bump. I mean, emac blows away the imac right now in terms of value. Thats a hole in thinksecret's argument, IMO- I really hope their wrong.
If Thinksecret is right I have one question: Why haven't they put a 1.5 g4 in the imac then? If they are right what has been the hold up, they could've at least provided a speed bump. I mean, emac blows away the imac right now in terms of value. Thats a hole in thinksecret's argument, IMO- I really hope their wrong.
snahabed said:
Don't forget about have money/want desk space and fashion choice.
You walk into a NY fashion magazine and find all the clerical staff using:
a) G5's, hidden under their desk with 21" CRT's on the desk.
b) everybody with a tiny iMac/17 on their desk.
Envision it.
The G5 is meant to be hidden, the iMac is meant to be shown. Don't underestimate the power of aesthetics on rich folks' buying patterns. How many people fit this category? Oh, a little more than 3%.
That's why I like the rumor about the new iMacs being headless, requiring an external screen. At that point it does make sense to introduce new screens as well. Especially if they are DVI since the new iMacs could be produced cheaper without ADC.afields said:
But the (potential) hole in that argument is the lack of a low-end Apple display. Something like 15" or 16". But perhaps most people have such a display and hence they would not be interested in getting a new one from Apple. And also the market is so over saturated with cheap displays in that segment that Apple could never compete.
Another potential hole: Would Apple introduce aluminium displays (also) intended for a consumer iMac? Would the new iMacs also be silver aluminium (paving the way for e.g. black aluminium for the next G6 PowerMacs)?
I agree. And if it didn't cost so much to produce, they probably wouldn't be changing them quite so soon. They've certainly gotten themselves between a rock and a hard place with this. They now have to produce an iMac computer that's more attractive and ground-breaking than the last and they have to do it for less money. Otherwise, people just won't buy 'em... "Give us back our old 'new' imacs!"joeboy_45101 said:
Speaking of that... what do you think they'll call it? The current style is called the "New iMac" to distingish it from the original.
Hmmm?
They said the new iMacs are being assembled
How long does it take between assembly and announcement? Seems that if they are making them, they would know what the specs are
How long does it take between assembly and announcement? Seems that if they are making them, they would know what the specs are
ClimbingTheLog said:
It is a sexy computer, no question. I honestly don't know how many people buy it for this reason.
A more tangible advantage of the iMac is that it's whisper quiet, which is important if you have a sensitive microphone in the same room as your computer.