WWDC - One Day More... Final Thoughts

[fpnc]

Re: Re: Dell quality?

Originally posted by eric67
thank you for that selection. but there is one important point here which is never looked carefully. the quality of the different components used. this count quite a lot. Is the HD in the DELL an IBM/Hitachi?? (especially if it is a 60 or 80GB, and for the low end model)
From which company is the RAM??

...and...

Originally posted by the future
Ah, the voice of reason... That's why any comparison between Apple and Dell is very pointless. If you want to compare you should compare Apple towers to HP or Sony towers.

Trying to sort by hard disk brand and RAM vendor is just unrealistic (unless you build your own PC). Manufacturers like Dell and Apple change suppliers all the time without altering their prices or specs. Whether Apple or good, named-brand PC manufacturers use better quality components is a completely different argument and very difficult to prove across the board.

Apple does, however, get rated fairly highly in things like service and support and reliability. In fact I believe that Consumer Reports just rated them the top computer manufacturer in both of those categories. However, Dell is usually high on this list also.

Actually, after some reflection I think I did a slight disservice to the Dell configurations. For the low-end Dell I should have gone with a less expensive graphics card (that would have saved $50 but then it would have lost dual monitor support). And then on the high end I should have upped the video card on the Power Mac. These adjustments mean that the Dells have an even larger price advantage.

Whether the Dells at these prices are a "better buy" is another question. On the high end I'd almost certainly choose the Mac, but on the low end it is a little more difficult to make a decision because of the performance difference between the 1GHz G4 and the 2.6GHz Pentium IV. Thus, for a low-end Mac I'd probably go for either an eMac or an iMac (unless, obviously I needed or wanted expansion slots -- PCI or AGP).

 

[pedro taquelim]

Re: Lies, lies, and confusion...

Originally posted by AidenShaw

Nobody died because of Clinton's lies - Where *are* the weapons?


GREAT SIGNATURE!!

yes...where are the weapons?... I see dead bodies, people suffering...but...where are the weapons Mr. Bush????

 

[Jeff Harrell]

Re: Re: Re: Dell quality?

Originally posted by fpnc
For the low-end Dell I should have gone with a less expensive graphics card (that would have saved $50 but then it would have lost dual monitor support).

All the Power Macs support two monitors, yes? My MDD model has a Radeon 9000 card in it with DVI and ADC outputs. Each can drive a separate monitor.

And while I admit that I only skimmed your post, I don't believe I saw much about iLife. What do the Windows equivalents to iPhoto, iTunes, and iMovie cost, and are they any good? If you're comparing a SuperDrive-equipped Mac, you have to figure in a Windows equivalent to iDVD, too. Also there's iSync to figure in; that's free for use with every Mac, although admittedly it's only useful if you have one or more handheld devices like a Bluetooth phone or a Palm or an iPod. But these things have to be taken into consideration. A Mac is not just a big box full of parts. It's a bundle of hardware and software, and the software counts big-time.

 

[sedarby]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Who here thinks that we won't get anything tomorrow but a preview of 10.3 and all the updates will be held until the create conference. You know the keynote that was canceled and is now back on.

Only if Steve Jobs is giving a keynote at the Create conference would I expect anything significant. Schiller has in the past made announcements but I wouldn't expect him to be expounding on Apples new direction with the 970 unless it has already been announced by Jobs.

 

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by wizard
At this time I have to think that everybody on the planet knows how badly Motorola has impacted Apple. Which in a nut shell is what I've been trying to point out, Apple needs a 970 based machine or something like it really bad. Anybody that thinks that a nice user interface will make up for poor machine performance in the long run is out of touch. Just look at what is left of the minicomputer industry. I really do wish people would listen to what I've said, I'm not tring to trash Apple or start a flame war. I've been following the 970 since the microprocessor forum, there is a potential for Apple to get the PowerMac (or whatever its replacement is called) back on track. Apples very actions indicate that they know this is important also.

As far as Apple and computer sales go I'm not convinced that they have to make computers to survive in the future. The digital life style device, ITunes and other things we probally haven't heard about yet could easly replace the MAC line for revenue. Companies go through these sorts of transitions all the time. Now Steve Jobs has a personal interest in producing computers, he certainly is not going to drop the MAC line if he can avoid it, but in the long run he could be left with no alternative.

What is coming our way is very important to Apple. Lets just hope that the hardware is good enough to survive the first spasm of upgrades and continue to draw customers. The current PowerMacs have failed to do that. Apple is lucky to have a PowerBook line to make up for that.

Dave

If you had worded your posts like this from the beggining and were this calm and explanatory no one would have considered you a Troll as they do now and will carry that with you for a while until you prove otherwise. Also please format your posts like this one. That way people see who you are quoting and what you are quoting and then your reponse. The other way around people are like what is he talking about and who is he responding to and then they get to the bottom of your post and find out and have to reread your entire post again.

I'm going to agree to disagree here. Everything I have read from the people who know says that Apple has always been and will always be for the forseable future made or breaked by there computer hardware. If Apple Computers goes Apple goes. You can't just replace 75% of your revenue over night. Also there is very little margin in the iDevices like there is in there computers. So in order to make the same sort of money they would have to sell and exponential amount of them which I just don't see happening. I don't see how they could sell more iPods then they do today in order to keep there heads above water. Also if Apple quit making computers what would the rest of the computer industry do? They've been taking their design cues from Apple for years. All of a sudden they would have to hire a design team instead mimmicing Apple.

I think all of us agree when we say that Apple needs this new processor. Why do you have to say it a hundred times over no one is arguing that point. The point is that Apples sales of PowerMacs hasn't been slipping or crashing as you would want people to think. Just because you are unsatisfied by them doesn't mean there aren't people out there that see no better alternative. In any case lets just drop this no more arguing. If you have something to say make simple and to the point. We all know what your message is so there no need to repeat it.

 

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by makkystyle
Hey Shadowfax, what browser are you using? I like the look of MR in whatever it is.

it will look like that in any browser. you just have to go to your user CP and tell it you want to use the OS X theme. it's somewhere like under settings or something. give it a look!