Originally posted by Shadowfax
i propose we just drop this, stop calling him a troll, leave the disagreement as is, and all cross our fingers for tomorrow. in the meantime, wizard, you can keep trying to figure out those peskytags
Probably the best idea. However, as you may have guessed, I am underage, unemployed, and therefore have nothing to do until 12:00pm tomorrow at which time I will proceed to the nearest Apple Store to watch the keynote.
But still. . .good idea. . .hear that Wiz?
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WWDC - One Day More... Final Thoughts
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Just to go back on topic a bit...
I was looking at the Panther shots again. Ya know, I don't think these are what we will see tomorrow. I don't think they are fake, but are early prototype shots. They don't have the Apple polish.
In the Finder window pic, I am wondering if it will have tabs. The framework is definately based on Safari, so I don't see why not...
The icon for Mouse in prefs does hint that we will not be seeing cool new iPod-rotary 2-button mice. But I guess Apple needs other stuff to introduce in the next few months...
Can't wait for tomorrow...!
Just to go back on topic a bit...
I was looking at the Panther shots again. Ya know, I don't think these are what we will see tomorrow. I don't think they are fake, but are early prototype shots. They don't have the Apple polish.
In the Finder window pic, I am wondering if it will have tabs. The framework is definately based on Safari, so I don't see why not...
The icon for Mouse in prefs does hint that we will not be seeing cool new iPod-rotary 2-button mice. But I guess Apple needs other stuff to introduce in the next few months...
Can't wait for tomorrow...!
Really? Vaguely reminiscent of iPhoto or iTunes? You may have look for your best tasting hat...
Back on topic:
Do you think that the Apple store'll be changed at midnight, or will they wait for the Keynote?
nice! lol. i hope we don't have to get into an argument about the meaning of "vague." for the purposes of this argument, let's say it means "plays MP3's OK." i want to see someone eat a hat.
My uber-prediction before going to bed:
Only G5s available immediately are the first-flight Altivec PPC 970s based on the 1.8 GHz chip. Entry level is a 1.6 GHz low grade version of this chip (like a Celeron or something) that will be in a lower cost motherboard config. 1.8 GHz models will be mid-tier spec with PCI-X etc. Price drop on the 1.42 G4 Dual and G4 iMac. These 1.6GHz chips will be the basis for the 970 iMacs (announced) maybe with a 1.4 GHz 970 too?. The 1.8 GHz model becomes the entry level G5 tower when second-flight 2.5GHz single 970 chip makes its appearance (August), while we wait for the Dual-core version of this chip in the 2.0 GHz Dual as per leak (which will NOT run off Smeagol...so at least unitl Pather is officially released and shipping... October as a guess).
Alum 15.4" PowerBook brings whole line up to 1 GHz G4 (along with new 1 GHz 12") only one 15" model now, all PowerBooks have Superdrive. Don't know how they'll ever get a 970 into a portable with its power consumption...expect to see Motos in portables for a while. (note, if Apple pulls this one off I will be in SHOCK!).
All new displays...not sure what will be different...but they will be different.
Xserve gets 970 chips...probably 2.5 GHz before G5s do, but who knows. Not 1.6s for sure.
Can't watch this thing live...so let me know how I did. Good night.
Only G5s available immediately are the first-flight Altivec PPC 970s based on the 1.8 GHz chip. Entry level is a 1.6 GHz low grade version of this chip (like a Celeron or something) that will be in a lower cost motherboard config. 1.8 GHz models will be mid-tier spec with PCI-X etc. Price drop on the 1.42 G4 Dual and G4 iMac. These 1.6GHz chips will be the basis for the 970 iMacs (announced) maybe with a 1.4 GHz 970 too?. The 1.8 GHz model becomes the entry level G5 tower when second-flight 2.5GHz single 970 chip makes its appearance (August), while we wait for the Dual-core version of this chip in the 2.0 GHz Dual as per leak (which will NOT run off Smeagol...so at least unitl Pather is officially released and shipping... October as a guess).
Alum 15.4" PowerBook brings whole line up to 1 GHz G4 (along with new 1 GHz 12") only one 15" model now, all PowerBooks have Superdrive. Don't know how they'll ever get a 970 into a portable with its power consumption...expect to see Motos in portables for a while. (note, if Apple pulls this one off I will be in SHOCK!).
All new displays...not sure what will be different...but they will be different.
Xserve gets 970 chips...probably 2.5 GHz before G5s do, but who knows. Not 1.6s for sure.
Can't watch this thing live...so let me know how I did.
Good night.
So all I have to do is find an application for Linux that either plays MP3's or organises photos. I wonder how many hats will be eaten if I find several...
Edit:
I could only find a few, but since I don't actually have Linux, I can't test them. I would assume that at least one of them works.
MP3 Players:
http://www.mpg123.de/
http://www.xmms.org/
Photo Apps:
http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/292/2002/2/0/7974090/
My predictions
1. Free DP 970 to every Jewish kid on the day of their bas or bar mitzwah.
2. Free tech support from Al Gore (only for republicans).
3. G5 shipping now (really 8 weeks), DP and 1.6 GHz G5 shipping in August (really March 2009, but you can order them now)
4. In July, they'll announce that because, uh, wire and uh, USB ports have skyrocketed in price, everything across the line has become $800 more, but they are throwing in a weeks worth of .mac services, although .mac will be down for that week.
5. 10.3 will be a 128 bit OS and will have no 64 bit or 32 bit compatability mode. Although strangely it will run 68k 24 bit programs in emulation with a special hack from Connectix, er, Microsoft. Because there are no 128 bit processors in any macs, it is scheduled for release in 2114. It goes by the code name "Gershwin Golden Delicious/Fuji-hybrid Feral-cat." Anyone downloading a pre-alpha version will have their computer destroyed via the Orrin Hatch based scheme as part of the Patriot Act.
6. All sounds generated by the computer are now protected AAC files. You may listen to them three times. After that, you will be charged $0.99 per alert sound, and reported to the FBI and whats left of the KGB for good measure. (For mac users in predominantly Islamic countries, you will have your mousing hand chopped off and be reported to whats left of the Taliban).
7. Photoshop "bake-off" where S.J. wheels out an Easy Bake (TM) oven with a P4 3 GHz vs. a 400 watt lightbulb. The 400 watt lightbulb wins, and S.J. announces that this will be the new G5. Because batteries will only last 4 seconds, PowerBooks with the G5 will come with a 37,000 foot extension cord for airplane use. Apple has secretly installed a monorail-type outlet that you can plug into before you take off. Your cord will then travel the US while still tethered to this live wire.
8. Some lackey will talk at length (until Friday morning) about the Gigahertz myth. "Who needs a 3 GHz P4 or a DP 2 GHz G5 to surf the web, do email, or sort their list of top ten potato varieties? Certainly not some 13 year old Jewish kid! We've realized through focus groups and polls that we need to go back to what we have in the 'lock box' and we have resurrected the 68000 8MHz processor. Word 1.0 was blazing in it's day. Who needs an auto-psychoanalysis feature for their personalized e-journal? Nobody!"
9. Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9. (Apologies to 13 year olds who don't get the reference.)
1. Free DP 970 to every Jewish kid on the day of their bas or bar mitzwah.
2. Free tech support from Al Gore (only for republicans).
3. G5 shipping now (really 8 weeks), DP and 1.6 GHz G5 shipping in August (really March 2009, but you can order them now)
4. In July, they'll announce that because, uh, wire and uh, USB ports have skyrocketed in price, everything across the line has become $800 more, but they are throwing in a weeks worth of .mac services, although .mac will be down for that week.
5. 10.3 will be a 128 bit OS and will have no 64 bit or 32 bit compatability mode. Although strangely it will run 68k 24 bit programs in emulation with a special hack from Connectix, er, Microsoft. Because there are no 128 bit processors in any macs, it is scheduled for release in 2114. It goes by the code name "Gershwin Golden Delicious/Fuji-hybrid Feral-cat." Anyone downloading a pre-alpha version will have their computer destroyed via the Orrin Hatch based scheme as part of the Patriot Act.
6. All sounds generated by the computer are now protected AAC files. You may listen to them three times. After that, you will be charged $0.99 per alert sound, and reported to the FBI and whats left of the KGB for good measure. (For mac users in predominantly Islamic countries, you will have your mousing hand chopped off and be reported to whats left of the Taliban).
7. Photoshop "bake-off" where S.J. wheels out an Easy Bake (TM) oven with a P4 3 GHz vs. a 400 watt lightbulb. The 400 watt lightbulb wins, and S.J. announces that this will be the new G5. Because batteries will only last 4 seconds, PowerBooks with the G5 will come with a 37,000 foot extension cord for airplane use. Apple has secretly installed a monorail-type outlet that you can plug into before you take off. Your cord will then travel the US while still tethered to this live wire.
8. Some lackey will talk at length (until Friday morning) about the Gigahertz myth. "Who needs a 3 GHz P4 or a DP 2 GHz G5 to surf the web, do email, or sort their list of top ten potato varieties? Certainly not some 13 year old Jewish kid! We've realized through focus groups and polls that we need to go back to what we have in the 'lock box' and we have resurrected the 68000 8MHz processor. Word 1.0 was blazing in it's day. Who needs an auto-psychoanalysis feature for their personalized e-journal? Nobody!"
9. Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9. (Apologies to 13 year olds who don't get the reference.)
There are actually a number of photo management and viewing applications for Linux. From simple to complex. I've even go a bash script that builds mini versions of my jpegs and assembles a web page for them. The only problem is that my machine is so old (one of the reasons I'm taking so much interest in the 970 possibilities) that it takes for ever to process everything from my 1gig compact flash cards.
Sound I don't know about, not really interested.
Thanks
dave
Sound I don't know about, not really interested.
Thanks
dave
Get real. No one in the UNIX world would ever refer to an X11 announcement as an "Xserver" announcement. You are just trying to cover for your stupid mistake. BTW, in case you did not know (which I am sure you did not), in X Windows (and X11) the server is actually on the client side. Before you spout off about things you don't understand I suggest you get three things:
1. The Joy of X: An Overview of the X Window System by Niall Mansfield -- so you can learn about the X Windows system you are referring to
2. Apple.com -- so you can learn what an Xserve is (as opposed to an Xserver)
3. A life -- go troll somewhere else
I'm 27, I get it...is there THAT much of an age gap? I know I'm on the fringe of GenX, but...
hint: google "number 9 beatles"
Originally posted by XnavxeMiyyep
So all I have to do is find an application for Linux that either plays MP3's or organises photos. I wonder how many hats will be eaten if I find several...
Come on now. The whole point of using a Mac is not that it can simply do the same thing, it's that it does it better. Simply saying an app can organize photos or play MP3s does not qualify. An app has to have an intuitive interface that makes it easy to do many common functions in addition to simply organizing photos or playing MP3s.
hey, pipe down with the personal attacks. it's over... shhhhhh.... stop digging up buried issues... that's it... good.
I stand by my challenge. If somebody can find me a program for Linux that is (1) equivalent in a meaningful way to iTunes or iPhoto, and (2) actually functional, not one of those "in development hell" things, I will... well, we can talk about the actual, literal terms later. Suffice it to say that I declare there are no such applications.
Let's look at what iTunes and iPhoto do.
iTunes plays MP3, AAC, AIFF, and WAV files. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. It's also an encoder for all of those formats, but that's not all either. It's a complete library management system, capable of storing, indexing, and organizing literally tens of thousands of audio files. (Maybe more than that, with version 4.) Playlists, smart playlists, automatic organization of the music library, Rendezvous sharing, and most importantly disc burning. Find me a Linux application that can even come close to this. (All of this is, of course, ignoring the iTunes Music Store. There's nothing else like that anywhere in the world, on any platform. And it's only available through iTunes.)
iPhoto is similar. It interfaces with your digital camera (this alone is worth the price of admission), downloads the photos, and displays them. It also arranges them by roll and various user-entered and automatic metadata. You can select photos and publish them directly to the web. You can order prints with just a couple of mouse clicks. You can create slideshows (with music from your iTunes library) and export them straight into iDVD, for crying out loud! And, of course, like iTunes, you can burn CD's or DVD's with the push of a button. There is nothing like this for Linux.
This epitomizes the entire issue. If you look at iTunes and say "MP3 player" or iPhoto and say "picture catalog," you're not getting it. Same thing if you look at a Mac and say "expensive PC." You're just not getting it.
Let's look at what iTunes and iPhoto do.
iTunes plays MP3, AAC, AIFF, and WAV files. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. It's also an encoder for all of those formats, but that's not all either. It's a complete library management system, capable of storing, indexing, and organizing literally tens of thousands of audio files. (Maybe more than that, with version 4.) Playlists, smart playlists, automatic organization of the music library, Rendezvous sharing, and most importantly disc burning. Find me a Linux application that can even come close to this. (All of this is, of course, ignoring the iTunes Music Store. There's nothing else like that anywhere in the world, on any platform. And it's only available through iTunes.)
iPhoto is similar. It interfaces with your digital camera (this alone is worth the price of admission), downloads the photos, and displays them. It also arranges them by roll and various user-entered and automatic metadata. You can select photos and publish them directly to the web. You can order prints with just a couple of mouse clicks. You can create slideshows (with music from your iTunes library) and export them straight into iDVD, for crying out loud! And, of course, like iTunes, you can burn CD's or DVD's with the push of a button. There is nothing like this for Linux.
This epitomizes the entire issue. If you look at iTunes and say "MP3 player" or iPhoto and say "picture catalog," you're not getting it. Same thing if you look at a Mac and say "expensive PC." You're just not getting it.
I know. That's why I'll use a Mac even if they don't update their hardware for 2 years. But it said vaguely, and I wanted to see someone eat a hat.
Edit:
I understand what you mean, but you should have worded it something along the lines of "comes close to" as opposed to "vaguely resembles"
What the dell
So I guess wizard was adding together the prices on the dell extras and found out fast that the little things add up. I give you some points for trying to cover yourself, but all in all....Your Fired!
There has to be 15" powerbooks! I know too many people (including myself)at my schools who will be buying 12" PB's if the 15's are not out or available. IS THIS WHAT APPLE WANTS? I think alot of the 12" and 17" sales came from people who could not wait for the 15" update. G4 or G5 i don't care. I would be nervous buying the 1st 970 but it would be cool.
The powerbooks are bringing the "switchers" and I don't think people are giving attention to this. I hope Steve is.
So I guess wizard was adding together the prices on the dell extras and found out fast that the little things add up. I give you some points for trying to cover yourself, but all in all....Your Fired!
There has to be 15" powerbooks! I know too many people (including myself)at my schools who will be buying 12" PB's if the 15's are not out or available. IS THIS WHAT APPLE WANTS? I think alot of the 12" and 17" sales came from people who could not wait for the 15" update. G4 or G5 i don't care. I would be nervous buying the 1st 970 but it would be cool.
The powerbooks are bringing the "switchers" and I don't think people are giving attention to this. I hope Steve is.
Uh right the Server runs on the client so how did I confuse anything, anyone I've every dealt with talks about configuring and installing X servers. Must be a locality issue.
In any event the point I was trying to make is that if the X server comes out of beta it would be a very good thing for Apple and OS/X. If it ends up as part of 10.3 it really will be another feather in Apples software cap.
I really don't understand all this negative attitude when I try to point out the very positive things that will happen for Apple if they can deliver the 970's and a bunch of software such as an X server and a browser. I beginning to think that I understand more about what is going on than alot of people want to accept.
Dave
In any event the point I was trying to make is that if the X server comes out of beta it would be a very good thing for Apple and OS/X. If it ends up as part of 10.3 it really will be another feather in Apples software cap.
I really don't understand all this negative attitude when I try to point out the very positive things that will happen for Apple if they can deliver the 970's and a bunch of software such as an X server and a browser. I beginning to think that I understand more about what is going on than alot of people want to accept.
Dave
Re: What the dell
I'm really losing interest in trying to help. It makes little difference anyways as the equations will all cahnge in a few hours. Hopefully dramatically and within budget.
For Apple to wait as long as they have to bring out the 15" incher you know its got to be a major upgrade. I'm still up in the air with respect to the 970, because even though it is a low power chip itself there is still the question of low power support chips to go with the 970. This is an area where there is almost know public information available.
You do see alot of Powerbooks out and about, planes, resturants, Jamaica just about every where. They are one of the positive aspects of the MAC line, a jump in performance to a 970 would be a marketing field day.
I would be less nervous about a 970 based laptop than a desktop. Lets face it laptops are closed systems for the most part, if they get it right they will last for awhile. If not there is a warranty.
I'm really losing interest in trying to help. It makes little difference anyways as the equations will all cahnge in a few hours. Hopefully dramatically and within budget.
For Apple to wait as long as they have to bring out the 15" incher you know its got to be a major upgrade. I'm still up in the air with respect to the 970, because even though it is a low power chip itself there is still the question of low power support chips to go with the 970. This is an area where there is almost know public information available.
You do see alot of Powerbooks out and about, planes, resturants, Jamaica just about every where. They are one of the positive aspects of the MAC line, a jump in performance to a 970 would be a marketing field day.
I would be less nervous about a 970 based laptop than a desktop. Lets face it laptops are closed systems for the most part, if they get it right they will last for awhile. If not there is a warranty.
Re: Re: Re: My thoughts for Monday
Just so you know the PPC970 is not a multi-core capable chip. The PPC980 has the potential to be if IBM caries through with it's plans but the PPC970 was never designed to be. From what I understand they did this in order to get the size of the overall chip down. Aparently even if it isn't a multi-core chip it still takes up more room then a desktop computer would normally use. There plans are to move to multi-core with the PPC980 since by the time the 980 comes out they will have the 90nm processing down pat and the size of the whole card with dual core will be about the size of the current PPC970 card.
Just so you know the PPC970 is not a multi-core capable chip. The PPC980 has the potential to be if IBM caries through with it's plans but the PPC970 was never designed to be. From what I understand they did this in order to get the size of the overall chip down. Aparently even if it isn't a multi-core chip it still takes up more room then a desktop computer would normally use. There plans are to move to multi-core with the PPC980 since by the time the 980 comes out they will have the 90nm processing down pat and the size of the whole card with dual core will be about the size of the current PPC970 card.
Apple hasn't been the real setback here it has been Motorola. Apple has had no reason to upgrade the rest of there hardware as the system board already out matches the cpus. There just haven't been any PPC alternatives until now.
Also Apples computers sales make up 75% of there revenue so if it goes away Apple goes away. Apples not going anywhere they are actually doing quite well revenue wise many many times better then they have in the past and they stuck around back then. So with the fact that Apple is here to stay so is there hardware.
I had really hoped the flame war had stopped so I could make a lame joke. But since it hasn't, I'll throw my $0.02 in. Some people like Apples, some people like Wintels. Some people are happy with the computer they have because it does everything they need it to do. Some people are willing to pay more for what they want. Whether you get more, or less, it doesn't matter. I have complained about the speed and cost of Apples in the past. I merely wanted parity.
Hopefully, tomorrow, I'll get my wish.
There will always be people who like Apples, and people who like PCs. Personnaly I use both. I prefer Apple because I do. I don't like Windows, and Linux frustrated me and wasn't worth the trouble. I don't play games. I do web development, audio/video/image editing, etc. Apples are a lot better for this - IN MY OPINION. I want to work on my Apple.
Before you ask, I am proficient in both. I still prefer Apples. You can choose whatever you want, we don't care. It's one thing to b*tch about wanting Apples to be faster, or cheaper, or have more features. But if you come here just to stir up trouble and tell us what you like, you can go away. We come here because we like the Mac OS, and want to know more about it, and what's coming next.
If you don't like it, you don't have to come here.
I for one can't wait for tomorrow.
Hopefully, tomorrow, I'll get my wish.
There will always be people who like Apples, and people who like PCs. Personnaly I use both. I prefer Apple because I do. I don't like Windows, and Linux frustrated me and wasn't worth the trouble. I don't play games. I do web development, audio/video/image editing, etc. Apples are a lot better for this - IN MY OPINION. I want to work on my Apple.
Before you ask, I am proficient in both. I still prefer Apples. You can choose whatever you want, we don't care. It's one thing to b*tch about wanting Apples to be faster, or cheaper, or have more features. But if you come here just to stir up trouble and tell us what you like, you can go away. We come here because we like the Mac OS, and want to know more about it, and what's coming next.
If you don't like it, you don't have to come here.
I for one can't wait for tomorrow.
*sigh* i've heard this so much it makes me ill. yes, the 970 at 1.8ghz dissipates 42 watts, but the 970 at 1.2ghz dissipates only 19 watts! the current g4 at 1ghz dissipates 30 watts.
(processor dissipation numbers courtesy of ars technica)
i predict that there will be 970 powerbooks shipping tomorrow. but i am only guessing, so we'll see.