WWDC, Photos and More on Tiger

[AppleJustWorks]

WWDC 03 link missing

I went to watch WWDC 03 with my friend(Mac Party!) and the link is messed up...Could this be them updating it to 04?

Check it out

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/whatson/appleevents/

 

[macsrus]

Tiger OS X
for
MAC
or
Windows

Wont ever happen.......

Would be great though......

Apple would make more money selling OS on x86 than they make off all there other products

 

[RogerQ]

SmartFolders =New Desktop Metaphor

Surely this must mean a new(er) FileSystem, something with proper META-Data? otherwise that kinda feature would bring the system to it's Knees!

Not only that, it means a folder no longer corresponds to a directory or a location on disk. It also means that a file can live in more than one folder. This pretty much destroys the last vestiges of the spatial Finder, whose destruction began with OS X's multiple Finder windows of the same folder and accelerated with the addition of the sidebar.

This is a Good Thing. Spatial Finder nice for small disk, BAAAD for 100GB+

The new version of Filemaker has a completely revamped database engine; it also supports the linking of almost any kind of file into a container. One so inclined could easily create a Finder repleacement with all sorts of cool "metadata-ish" features rather easily. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple is leveraging this tech for Tiger. Supposing they had...

When you save a file in Tiger and pick a folder to place it in, the file isn't actually saved in the folder. Rather, the folder's name (and the names of any parent folders) are added as keywords attached to the file.

Clicking on a folder in the Finder doesn't actually open the folder, but rather performs a keyword search with that folder's name, and presents the results in a Finder window. In addition, if 2 or more of the found files contain the same keyword, a folder labelled with that keyword is presented. Clicking on this folder will perform a search with that folder's name as a subset of the previously found set, and display those files in a window.

With this system, business types don't have to decide whether they should organize their folders by project with subfolders for budget, schedule, and contracts, or by budget with a subfolder for each project, etc. Subfolders are dynamically created as you browse, in the order that you browse. So if you need to grab all the budgets, you open the budgets folder; if you want to go by project, you open the projects folder first (this also makes organizing certain photo collections easier--you know who you are).

Organizing the interface for the top level folders is the tricky part, since essentially, all folders could be top-level. This is where Apple's expertise will be needed. Maybe each Finder window will be able to have unique sidebar contents; perhaps you can select from multiple sidebar collections from a pulldown. There are a lot of possibilites.

Whether Tiger makes the leap to this sort of interface in one jump (how far do tigers jump?), or whether it sticks with the most basic version of "Smart Folders" is up in the air.

But I'll bet Steve wants Apple to be the one that comes up with the GUI that finally puts the 1984 desktop to bed.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

 

[lefty111]

price?

How about Tiger for < $129? Nah, I must be dreaming.

 

[nsb3000]

Something else though, "Tiger" might be able to run Windows Apps natively and so eliminating the need for Virtual PC. That definitely would give Redmond a problem.

This might also lead to more developers to stop developing native os x Apps..not a good thing.

 

[xtbfx]

I don't get the "Introducing Longhorn" banner. I'm running 10.3 (Panther), why would I want to downgrade to Longhorn?

Ok, Introducing Longhorn means, when Longhorn does come out, M$ will have copied all the ideas from Tiger and therefore making Tiger look like Longhorn.

And to all you OSX on x86, that would kill Apple as a company. Hardware and all.

 

[xtekdiver]

Actually .net is a fantastic development infrastructure. I use a mac (12" powerbook) almost exclusively for my personal business but my day job is as a .net web developer, using C#. I've used a lot of other technoligies throughout my career and would never go back to anything else. I was very intrigued when I heard of the possibility of .net on OSX.

I too used .Net and C# for web development, but since I make the decisions concerning development environments, I have switched to PHP and MySQL so I could develop on my Powerbook. I can't say enough about this OS; I evaluated OS X 8 months ago and switched 2 months later and haven't looked back.

 

[Spades]

Actually .net is a fantastic development infrastructure. I use a mac (12" powerbook) almost exclusively for my personal business but my day job is as a .net web developer, using C#. I've used a lot of other technoligies throughout my career and would never go back to anything else. I was very intrigued when I heard of the possibility of .net on OSX.

http://www.go-mono.com/

I haven't tried it on OS X since beta 1 though, and that version was having odd problems with the GAC. I have beta 3 installed on a Linux system. I haven't done much with it, but so far so good. And I see the release candidate came out two days ago...

If Apple is going to ship a .NET-compatible framework, my guess is this is it. If Mono hits 1.0 in time (and with the release candidate out already, I bet they will), it might very well be in Tiger. Monkeys and Tigers...interesting.

My preference is still for the snake.

 

[pdxdeano]

Link MIA

I went to watch WWDC 03 with my friend(Mac Party!) and the link is messed up...Could this be them updating it to 04?

Check it out

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/whatson/appleevents/

you're right. the link is mia. I just watched that earlier today.

 

[må¥å]

Ok, Introducing Longhorn means, when Longhorn does come out, M$ will have copied all the ideas from Tiger and therefore making Tiger look like Longhorn.

And to all you OSX on x86, that would kill Apple as a company. Hardware and all.

don't you mean Longhorn looking like Tiger

 

[cr2sh]

Wont ever happen.......

Indeed. If apple did introduce a x86 OS and used banners "Introducing Longhorn" - MS Legal would have a field day.

 

[xtekdiver]

easy there cheech. Take a few hits, you don't need to smoke the whole thing.

Pass that blunt this way....man this is good stuff

 

[joeboy_45101]

maybe this explain the "tiger" before Mac OS X and the anti microsoft words.
tiger features aren't totally new, and apple sarcastic humor is abusive considering the new technology being developed by ms.

tomorrow is the day of OS X on x86 my friends

You know what I've said could explain why the photos on ThinkSecret, specifically the "System Profiler" don't show the type of processor.

 

[nsb3000]

You can't get rid of the Spatial Finder

Not only that, it means a folder no longer corresponds to a directory or a location on disk. It also means that a file can live in more than one folder. This pretty much destroys the last vestiges of the spatial Finder, whose destruction began with OS X's multiple Finder windows of the same folder and accelerated with the addition of the sidebar.

This is a Good Thing. Spatial Finder nice for small disk, BAAAD for 100GB+

While there is some really cool stuff you can do with Database based file systems, I don't think you can get rid of the Spatial finder, at least not yet. It would confuse million of users who had spent upwards of 20 years associating files and folders with hard coded location that the created. And more importantly, there is no reason why a Spatial interface can't be combined with a database driven "smart" interface that you discuss. They are not mutely exclusive.

I have said it before, and I will say it again. I recommend that everybody take a look at [url="http://arstechnica.com/paedia/f/finder/finder-1.html] John Siracusa's article [/url] on this topic. He has thought about this way more than most of us have, and offers some useful insights.

 

[Phobophobia]

Ok, Introducing Longhorn means, when Longhorn does come out, M$ will have copied all the ideas from Tiger and therefore making Tiger look like Longhorn.

And to all you OSX on x86, that would kill Apple as a company. Hardware and all.

Yes, whenever people even MENTION the possibility that Apple would port osx to x86 I cringe at the thought of how stupid people have gotten.

Just because you(People mentioning the possibilty) know how to say "market share" doesn't mean you know anything about business. Heck, you would only need to know next to nothing to realize this stuff, people.

 

[musicpyrite]

Duff-Man says....It always amazes me to read these threads on the day before a Steve-note - people come out with the wildest, most unrealistic ideas and whip themselves into a frenzy...then tomorrow they'll be bitching about how lame Apple is because the new iMac didn't come out, or was not at 5 Ghz, or only comes with ...yada yada yada........oh yada!

aahhhh! Were in real troubel when Duff-Man ends his post with......oh yada! and not.....oh yeah!


I have mixed feelings about Tiger running on x86...

 

[coolfactor]

Dumb Question whats Redmond

Where Microsoft is based... Redmond, Washington.

 

[el_aarono]

mabye....

maybe just maybe Apple has the NEW Apple OFFICE.app that could be the reason behind all this bashing on the banners

I can kind of see this happening, but if Apple releases an amazing Office replacement suite then I'm sure MS would simply stop developing for the Mac and that could be bad.

But here is a thought: what if Apple releases this Office replacement and makes it Mac and PC compatible...? With Apple's finesse and ability to just work how you expect it will an Office replacement could really make Redmond worry.

Just conjecture though....

-A

 

[cr2sh]

Where Microsoft is based... Redmond, Washington.

Wow, how many times is this question going to get answered? You know... it is okay to read the whole thread before posting?

 

[Blaaze]

I remember a while back an author at Ars Technica critically analyzed the current Finder, and in a suggestion for future features, I remember he suggested "live folders" which would not contain actual files, but sort of like shortcut representations of the files. Seems like Apple might have taken his suggestion. But I'm sure with the verge of meta data, and meta data about meta data, this was bound to happen eventually.

 

[må¥å]

Wow, how many times is this question going to get answered? You know... it is okay to read the whole thread before posting?

Its where MicroStuff is located

I just had to I can't help myself

 

[xtbfx]

don't you mean Longhorn looking like Tiger

No, M$ will make it look like they've had whatever technology in 'development' for years before Apple, therefore convincing their blind sheep that Tiger is just a rip off of Longhorn.

 

[må¥å]

I can kind of see this happening, but if Apple releases an amazing Office replacement suite then I'm sure MS would simply stop developing for the Mac and that could be bad.

But here is a thought: what if Apple releases this Office replacement and makes it Mac and PC compatible...? With Apple's finesse and ability to just work how you expect it will an Office replacement could really make Redmond worry.

Just conjecture though....

-A

I think it just might be maybe not tomorrow however in the near future considering the whole Mac + PC advertising for some of the products.

And once a solution is found for some of the other MS apps like Access then PC will only look attractive to gamers.

 

[Sogo]

Do you think maybe the posters are titled like that because Tiger will be the last update before Longhorn?

 

[joeboy_45101]

Just because you(People mentioning the possibilty) know how to say "market share" doesn't mean you know anything about business. Heck, you would only need to know next to nothing to realize this stuff, people.

I've never claimed to be an economist, but I do know one thing: You cannot win by always being on the defensive, you must be on the offensive. I more than anybody want Apple to be on the offensive. These banners, if they actually say those thing 'cause I know how EASY it would be to Photoshop it, could be the beginning of a major Apple offensive on MS.