WWDC, Photos and More on Tiger

[coolfactor]

Wow, how many times is this question going to get answered? You know... it is okay to read the whole thread before posting?

Dude, do you realize the thread went from 2 pages to 5 pages in the time I made that posting? Take a pill.

 

[windowsblowsass]

I can kind of see this happening, but if Apple releases an amazing Office replacement suite then I'm sure MS would simply stop developing for the Mac and that could be bad.

But here is a thought: what if Apple releases this Office replacement and makes it Mac and PC compatible...? With Apple's finesse and ability to just work how you expect it will an Office replacement could really make Redmond worry. 🙂

Just conjecture though....

-A

no ms CNAT stop developing office for mac they cant legally they signed an aggeement with apple in the 80s that let them copy mac os(to an etent) but they had to always develop for mac

 

[nagromme]

Tiger is NOT being introduced tomorrow

I hate to rain on any parades, but with the keynote not being broadcast, this seems like a SMALL event, meant for DEVELOPERS. We should expect nothing more. Hardware is possible, it's happened before, but that's NOT what WWDC exists for.

And Tiger is NOT being introduced Monday. It's being announced and previewed. A preview means it is incomplete, a work in progress, and may even have some future features intentionally left out by Apple--or it may have features that later get removed! And it is PRIOR to widespread feedback.

Think of Monday as a sneak peek at CERTAIN details a future OS--NOT as a complete picture of anything!

 

[Abstract]

Tiger OS X
for
MAC
or
Windows
🙂

So I guess Apple will become a software only company, since there are lots of people who say that OSX is the reason to buy Apple and pay the premium for hardware. 🙄

 

[macsrus]

I've never claimed to be an economist, but I do know one thing: You cannot win by always being on the defensive, you must be on the offensive. I more than anybody want Apple to be on the offensive. These banners, if they actually say those thing 'cause I know how EASY it would be to Photoshop it, could be the beginning of a major Apple offensive on MS. 🙂

Microsoft laughs at any kind of offensive posed by Apple....

Apple has less than 3 percent of the market share for desktop computers...
And they are NOT increasing that market share....
They have been at 3 percent for 10 years....

While I am a Mac user myself .... I am not delusional....

Another thing.... that many might find suprising....
There is a growing percentage of MAC users running linux....
Heck Most of the MAC users I know run yellow dog linux....
I happen to use both OSX and yellow dog myself

 

[JGowan]

this really makes me not like apple when they take business to a personal level. can they present their software without making fun of microsoft? people don't like arrogance and it seems like more and more apple is acting that way.

Well, Apple probably didn't like it every since the beginning when MS has been copying their OS. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" goes out the window when the copier is crushing you in business.

 

[ccuilla]

1) Smart Folders in Finder - these virtual folders allow you save specific search criteria for files and present matching files. Similar to iTunes' Smart Playlists.

2) Mail.app - Smart folders, account specific signatures, and a connection doctor.

Neither of these surprise me. In fact I quite expected them. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see a "metal Mail" as has been sometimes rumored. This would bring Mail into (UI) alignment with iCal, AddressBook, iTunes, iPhoto, Safari and Finder. It would also lend even more credibility to my theory about "specialized Finders" (e.g., iTunes, iPhoto, etc.)

 

[ChrisH3677]

"Introducing Longhorn" is simply saying that Tiger has now, 2004, what MS aren't going to have until 2007. It's like saying "Introducing the future... today" Which as another poster said, will hopefully include a meta-data based file management system. A WinFS killer 3 years before WinFS even gets here! 😀

 

[xtbfx]

Apple has less than 3 percent of the market share for desktop computers...
And they are NOT increasing that market share....
They have been at 3 percent for 10 years....

I have always wanted to see HARD PROOF of this. Everywhere you look it's a different figure. I saw this year it was up even as high as 5-10%.

No one knows how much percentage of the market Apple holds. I HATE that people keep using this to argue points. Who cares?

 

[macsrus]

Well, Apple probably didn't like it every since the beginning when MS has been copying their OS. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" goes out the window when the copier is crushing you in business.

Actually Microsoft hasnt been copying MAC OS since they released ...Windows 3.1
Lets face it MAC OS all the way thru 9 looked like an old crappy verion of Windows 3.1

Win95, 98, 2000 all were more functional and better looking than anything found on the MAC ....until OS X.....

now things have changed....
And OS X is great!!!!
IT is nice that Apple finally has an OS worth copying again

 

[toughboy]

Microsoft laughs at any kind of offensive posed by Apple....

Apple has less than 3 percent of the market share for desktop computers...
And they are NOT increasing that market share....
They have been at 3 percent for 10 years....

While I am a Mac user myself .... I am not delusional....

Another thing.... that many might find suprising....
There is a growing percentage of MAC users running linux....
Heck Most of the MAC users I know run yellow dog linux....
I happen to use both OSX and yellow dog myself

F U, you little agent smith. 😡

 

[MhzDoesMatter]

no ms CNAT stop developing office for mac they cant legally they signed an aggeement with apple in the 80s that let them copy mac os(to an etent) but they had to always develop for mac

That agreement has since expired.

Microsoft laughs at any kind of offensive posed by Apple....

Apple has less than 3 percent of the market share for desktop computers...
And they are NOT increasing that market share....
They have been at 3 percent for 10 years....

How hard do you think Microsoft is laughing about iPod, iTunes, and WMA conversion?

There is a growing percentage of MAC users running linux....
Heck Most of the MAC users I know run yellow dog linux....

Let's suspend our disbelief that you know enough mac users to provide a remotely relevant or viable sampling for a moment and consider the fact that Apple probably couldn't care less about what you and others do with their Mac's after they've been purchased as they don't have to refund a bit of your money for removing their OS.

-hertz

 

[morkintosh]

Dumb Question whats Redmond

you're kidding me right? Redmond Washington, where the corporate headquaters of Microsoft is ...

 

[asan102]

Just a theory: What if apple released these screenshots, anonymously and purposely ugly, in order to bring down our hopes and disappoint us. Then they take them away, leading us to believe that these are in fact real screenshots. During the Keynote Steve tells us they were fake, or more likely, neglects to mention it at all knowing that when he showed us the real tiger on monday we'd be so shocked and relieved that we'd love it, even if it wasn't that great.

maybe
😕

Would apple really work through an orginisation designed specifically to wreck online forums called the "Gay ****** Association of America"?

 

[~Shard~]

I hate to rain on any parades, but with the keynote not being broadcast, this seems like a SMALL event, meant for DEVELOPERS. We should expect nothing more. Hardware is possible, it's happened before, but that's NOT what WWDC exists for.

Actually, if I remember correctly, the WWDC '03 keynote was not broadcast live either (the stream was available only after the event), and that's when Jobs introduced the G5 PowerMacs, so I wouldn't put too much weight in your theory. I agree it may not be exactly what WWDC exists for, but look what happened last year...

 

[newamiga]

Remember In Your Face Ads from a Couple Years Ago?

Some people offended by Apple taking the offensive should harken back a few years ago to one of the coolest campaigns ever by a Mac dealer ,.. and it wasn't Apple. Power Computing took on the competition head on and it worked well. 😎

[/IMG]

 

[morkintosh]

That means that potentially a couple thousand Java developers who are not Mac folks will see a strong statement from Apple. I think the OS is going to rock.

As a J2EE application architect I think that this is the BEST possible thing to come from WWDC next week. With people like Gosling already using a mac, Apple has a real chance to take a big bite out of the application development market if they play their cards right. I've been using apple for a year and a half for all my dev work and haven't ever been happier with a platform.

 

[five04]

it seems i'm outnumbered with my idea that apple is too personal against microsoft and that they seem a bit arrogant more so now than in the past. i love apple products and have for years, but i'm just responding to how i feel about this. obviously if apple comes up with a good idea microsoft will incorporate it into their own operating systems. get this folks, it's business and microsoft wants to make money. you will not be able to stop that. i think it's very easy to make a comparison about what apple has and microsoft does not, but cracking jokes on a company or a product that isn't due out until 2006 isn't the best way to bolster support for your operating system or products. apple isn't without its faults either. why is it that when i resize a window it doesn't move in real time? windows has been able to do that for as long as i can remember. maybe apple is lagging behind in that field. what about the fast user switching? xp had that before panther. is apple copying microsoft? this goes both ways.

 

[newamiga]

Last Year

Actually, if I remember correctly, the WWDC '03 keynote was not broadcast live either (the stream was available only after the event), and that's when Jobs introduced the G5 PowerMacs, so I wouldn't put too much weight in your theory. I agree it may not be exactly what WWDC exists for, but look what happened last year...

I agree, I was at WWDC last year and the excitement was greater than several MWSF keynotes I have been to. I don't think the delay in the stream portends anything.

 

[~Shard~]

He's back!

For some confirmed releases at WWDC please refer to post #324 in

It doesn't get any more reliable than our old friend NeatGekko... 🙄 😎

 

[cr2sh]

Microsoft laughs at any kind of offensive posed by Apple....

I'm guessing that does not include the offensive posed by Apple on the music market. You don't have to be delusional to realize Apple is gaining young fans thru ipod and itunes. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Apple.

Dude, do you realize the thread went from 2 pages to 5 pages in the time I made that posting? Take a pill.

Dumb Question whats Redmond

Where Microsoft is based... Redmond, Washington.

It took you 2 hours to type that one sentence?

There were many others (6 or so) who failed to do the same thing. I apologize for singling you out. It's not my responisbility and it was really more of a joke... but again, sorry.

Hey everyone! I am back! New iPods tomorrow! Watch for em! The scroll wheel will be like the iPod minis, they are sweet looking! And video out! Its nice! See them soon! Cheers

Wow.. he's going for broke this time isn't he? 🙂

 

[Sayer]

I don't really know what the deal with Arlo Rose is all about. He created an original implementation of an old idea, he did not come up with the entire concept hisself.

Apple actually had essentially the same thing as Konfabulator (small, minimal applets) called Desk Accessories. This was back before Multifinder and the ability running more than one app at a time on the Mac. You could run these mini apps on top of whatever single program you were using at the time.

The Calculator was a DA at first, there were Address Books and even Paint Applications plus tons of games. There was a single app to "install" them into the OS called Font/DA Mover.

So to claim that he came up with the entire concept is flat out wrong, Apple did and it's theirs to expand on. Just as Watson built on what Sherlock was doing going way back to Mac OS 9 and then Apple *expanded* the Sherlock concept in the next logical step. It wasn't as if Watson appeared out of the blue and then Apple came out with the current incarnation of Sherlock.

All Konfabulator does is reduce the barrier of entry to creating such widgets to using scripting (and a runtime with extensive "hooks" to get at various bits of info from the OS itself) instead of compiled code.

 

[titaniumducky]

I had not even thought of this. Perhaps this is the result of the supposed "Apple Metadata project" ? That would be really cool..

10.4 is looking better and better as the hours go by...

Also, I am surprised Apple has not squashed the leaker yet. You would have thought they would have by now..

Apple itself is often times the leaker. They're trying to generate public interest. In past years, they've given away too much; this year, I think they got it right.

 

[toughboy]

Actually Microsoft hasnt been copying MAC OS since they released ...Windows 3.1
Lets face it MAC OS all the way thru 9 looked like an old crappy verion of Windows 3.1

Win95, 98, 2000 all were more functional and better looking than anything found on the MAC ....until OS X.....

now things have changed....
And OS X is great!!!!
IT is nice that Apple finally has an OS worth copying again

Win 95 was crashing frequently and need reinstallation once in every two months.. 98 was a crappy copy of 95, but a little better designed (until 98SE, which SE needed reinstallation once in three months 😀 ) NT4.0 and 2000 never worked on my Pentium 150, too slow to endure while my older brother was using his Power MAC 9500 happily ever after, even with Mac OS8 when it was released in 1997 and even with Mac OS 9 in 99..

no one claim me that windoze were better in anyhow..

on the other hand everyone copied Mac, since AppleI&II back in 70s till iMac and others..

 

[titaniumducky]

I am not sure what I think about this...I already have enough stuff in my Menu bar...

Then just remove it with a command-drag.