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WWDC Product Releases?

It does seem a little early to rule out a broadcast, but if there is no broadcast, chances of lots of new consumer hardware are slim(mer). I'm sure if they really had a "secret weapon" hardware announcement, they'd broadcast to get the publicity. It could also be that Steve-o doesn't want to eat crow in front of so many people!

I think it's interesting to note that people on this thread are freaking out about hardware speculation, but there's little to no enthusiasm for Tiger. How many of us are actually going to buy hardware announced at WWDC? (some) How many of us will buy Tiger? (most) I mean, the OS is really where your work gets done, and it determines how you get it done. It's really what defines the Mac experience. Frankly I could go with ZERO hardware announcements if Tiger is really worth it. It's really the only thing that should matter for those of us not in the market for a new machine.
 
AppleWorks... Uhh Doesn't

Can I please get a new AppleWorks, at least a new Apple Spreadsheet app.
Or at how 'bout announce the death of AppleWorks so I can move on.
 
zedwards said:
Repeat after me:
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
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Repeat after me:
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About

Well, anyway, maybe you're a little misinformed. The G5 seems like it's pro only right now, because it's only been in the PM, and for a year! Trust me, the G5 whether its in the form of the 970/variants or the e700, will come to consumer macs.

On a side note. I've been thinking lately. Now really is the time for Apple to intro a consumer tower.

Note to Apple employees reading this:
Now, Mr. Ive, I really appreciate your designs, and I know you'll hate making one of these, but think about it. Future Mac users who switch from PC will most likely already have a monitor. Actually, they will have a monitor. Most of them will want to use it when they get a new computer. One thing that I've found that deters them from getting a Mac is that they can't use their current display with it. Now, it doesn't have to be a traditional tower, it could even be something like a ball on a stand. As long as it is headless, we need it. The PM, while great, is just too expensive for John or Jane Doe or even me. As we've seen from projects like the iBox, it's possible. It just depends on whether you will do it or not.


Oh, I've attached my thoughts on a new headless mac... it was done in MS Paint, cuz I'm on my PC and don't have PS, so just take the general gist of it... dont critique it... :D

It's a ball on a stand.. with the optical drive in the stand and the ports on the back... brushed aluminum of course.

oh and this other one... whipped it together really fast just to get my idea on the computer... again done very fast in MS Paint... so just look at the general idea... not the nitty gritty details....
 

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Calebj14 said:
Repeat after me:
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About

Well, anyway, maybe you're a little misinformed. The G5 seems like it's pro only right now, because it's only been in the PM, and for a year! Trust me, the G5 whether its in the form of the 970/variants or the e700, will come to consumer macs.

On a side note. I've been thinking lately. Now really is the time for Apple to intro a consumer tower.

Note to Apple employees reading this:
Now, Mr. Ive, I really appreciate your designs, and I know you'll hate making one of these, but think about it. Future Mac users who switch from PC will most likely already have a monitor. Actually, they will have a monitor. Most of them will want to use it when they get a new computer. One thing that I've found that deters them from getting a Mac is that they can't use their current display with it. Now, it doesn't have to be a traditional tower, it could even be something like a ball on a stand. As long as it is headless, we need it. The PM, while great, is just too expensive for John or Jane Doe or even me. As we've seen from projects like the iBox, it's possible. It just depends on whether you will do it or not.


Oh, I've attached my thoughts on a new headless mac... it was done in MS Paint, cuz I'm on my PC and don't have PS, so just take the general gist of it... dont critique it... :D

It's a ball on a stand.. with the optical drive in the stand and the ports on the back... brushed aluminum of course.

oh and this other one... whipped it together really fast just to get my idea on the computer... again done very fast in MS Paint... so just look at the general idea... not the nitty gritty details....
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I would consider that the PM G5 is a Pro product because it has MULTIPLE CPU's, which the iMacs will be single CPUed and be BELOW 2GHz... therefore making it the consumer product... I agree with that (overdone) statement "G5 Pro, iMac not."

The PowerMac G5 can also be considered Pro because of the space it gives for upgradablity option, as the iMac (current or rumored) doesn't/won't.

PowerMac G5=Pro...

iMac G5=Not...

EDIT: However when this comes to the sence of whether or not the iMac G5 would be released at WWDC, I believe it is a perfect time to announce it since putting G5's in Apple's computers are a big deal... and G5's are the future of Apple... Well for the next few years...
 
Cooknn said:
Yeah Baby :D I posted this before I read your post. Glad someone else has the same train of thought. How about a Hi-Def iMovie Store!
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nah... needs a new program... kinda like the iTunes for playing/buying and GarageBand for creating... how about iMovie for creating and iTheatre for playing buying... thereby making QT only an engine... and having iTheatre and iTunes???
 
$39 a share? What!?!?!

Okay, I'm quite astounded. Analysts are pushing a technology stock to 1999 technology-stock levels (granted, $39 is a far cry from $70, roughly Apple's peak). I don't know if I should believe that estimate, for the market is not showing such strength, and surely Apple will not make such in-roads with just a couple of product announcements.

Right?
 
applekid said:
Don't go there! Lately, the iTMS is very slow. It may because of the new European customers or just all of the content, but I get errors and slow loads every time. Apple should upgrade their iTMS server farm before they even bother to think about selling movies. Remember, Steve, you made the claim Apple could move oceans of data, but it sure isn't showing anymore.
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The iTMS is VERY slow lately.... maybe akamai is in the process of upgrading.....
 
rog said:
Blah Blah Blah. Developers are leaving the Mac. It's just a fact. Norton abandoned it's (albeit buggy) Tools recently. Adobe Framemaker, Premiere, etc. Apps come out later or not at all on the Mac, and the problem is getting worse, not better, or they run far slower than they do on PCs (e.g. Office 2004). Market share is crucial in long term viability of Apple and OSX, because developers want to not just profit, but have their profits grow by selling on a growing platform. It is getting more and more difficult for developers to justify supporting OSX. I don't want them to abandon the Mac, but some are. That is why I am concerned with market share. No, I was not comparing an iMac to a $400 PC, but many consumers will. If they even consider a mac (and most don't) they'll look first at price and see that they can get a PC with an LCD for less than an iMac or about the same as an eMac which comes with a blurry, unusable CRT. Apple needs a huge reason to draw people away from PCs, and blow people away speed can be one of them, and it's an opportunity they continue to miss, and it doesn't help their position in the market. Why be apologists for Apple? Constructive criticism is much more valuable than blind praise.
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Actually the reason why Norton left was because it wasn't needed. Adobe left because Apple came out with better products. Sure developers are leaving the Mac, but I'm sure they're leaving Windows as well. As long as they're not leaving in droves, who cares?
 
Calebj14 said:
nah... needs a new program... kinda like the iTunes for playing/buying and GarageBand for creating... how about iMovie for creating and iTheatre for playing buying... thereby making QT only an engine... and having iTheatre and iTunes???
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The fact that movie trailers were recently added to iTMS leads me to think that Apple's future for downloaded media is going to be through one application. Changing iTunes Music Store to iMedia Store makes a lot of sense to me. There's a lot of leverage in an installed base, and iTMS can deliver a big audience for video.
 
PowerMacMan said:
I would consider that the PM G5 is a Pro product because it has MULTIPLE CPU's, which the iMacs will be single CPUed and be BELOW 2GHz... therefore making it the consumer product... I agree with that (overdone) statement "G5 Pro, iMac not."

The PowerMac G5 can also be considered Pro because of the space it gives for upgradablity option, as the iMac (current or rumored) doesn't/won't.

PowerMac G5=Pro...

iMac G5=Not...

EDIT: However when this comes to the sence of whether or not the iMac G5 would be released at WWDC, I believe it is a perfect time to announce it since putting G5's in Apple's computers are a big deal... and G5's are the future of Apple... Well for the next few years...
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That's basically what I was saying/thinking. The poster I quoted made it sound like they meant "no G5 in iMac." I was just trying to set them straight.
 
If what most people in this thread think/predict/want for the new iMac is true, it won't be a very revolutionary product. As mentioned in other posts, there are plenty of all-in-ones with some or many of the characteristics described for the “iMac3” [HINT]which, btw, reads “iMaccube”[/HINT]:
the Dell SX280 (ugliest looking thingy I have seen in a while), the Sony W and V series (not bad), the Gateway Profile5 and 610XL series (this last one I like) more or less fit the bill.
We can’t expect apple to be the only company having ideas or trying out new form factors. What we do expect, is that they'll do a better job at it.
If they pull it out again, I'll buy one.
 
jakemikey said:
I think it's interesting to note that people on this thread are freaking out about hardware speculation, but there's little to no enthusiasm for Tiger. How many of us are actually going to buy hardware announced at WWDC? (some) How many of us will buy Tiger? (most) I mean, the OS is really where your work gets done, and it determines how you get it done. It's really what defines the Mac experience. Frankly I could go with ZERO hardware announcements if Tiger is really worth it. It's really the only thing that should matter for those of us not in the market for a new machine.
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I could agree with you more. Tiger is the number one thing I can't wait to see. I hope Apple does not let me down...
 
mrkstu said:
Read up? How bout this from MacRumors:
The 1394 Trade Association has approved a specification which would allow the development of wireless Firewire devices.
The new Protocol Adaptation Layer (PAL) for IEEE 1394 over IEEE 802.15.3 was approved Monday. In a statement, the trade association said: ?The PAL is designed as a standard convergence layer between the 802.15.3 MAC and applications developed for wired 1394. It builds upon the 1394 infrastructure--for example, data formats, connection-management schemes, and time synchronization procedures--and takes advantage of the excellent quality of service available in 802.15.3.?

Examples of new products with the new specification include wireless connections to DVD players and hard drives from set top boxes. Prototype products are expected before the end of the year.

Apple has been an early adopter of Firewire, so adoption of this technology could be expected. [/ident]​
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This is more proof that you have no clue what you're talking about. The IEEE 1394 PAL is a streaming protocol that allows the same handlers for wired FireWire to be transferred over a wireless connection, but has nothing to do with the speed of that connection. As I stated above, the speed of 802.15.3 is starting around 55Mbit/s and then supposedly scaling up from there to 200-400Mbit/s by Q2 2006.

What the 1394 Group did was futureproof their technology against a coming product, one that isn't market-ready for a few years. Why would they do that? So that hardware manufacturers would consider adding it to their devices, just as they added 4 or 6 pin 1394 to their cameras, computers, and other gear. I repeat; FireWire is a transfer protocol, not the medium it is sent across, and the existence of a "Wireless FireWire" standard doesn't mean it can be used for wireless video.

Also, while I have a lot of respect for Arn, he doesn't know everything in the technology sector, and this is not a case of a technology that has been shown to be ready yet. If it were, then the stream could be done on Airport Extreme, right now. Why? Because the AE in current macs is 54Mbit/s, a single Mbit behind the first implementation of 802.15.3.

Think different... :rolleyes:
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There's a difference between thinking different (look up my posts on modular computing, networked computing, portable devices, and other ideas) and willful ignorance.​
 
Anyone sad to see the old form factor go?

If the old form factor goes away, I will be sad. I like the look of the current imac (typing on one now) and remember how all those celebs just fawned over the look when it was first introduced. If changed, I would miss (based on rumors here for the new one) the movable monitor, sleek small design, great way to minimize cord clutter (wish I had bluetooth on this one for even fewer cords).

Another thing that would tick me off is if we see a design that goes against everything Steve said was the reason for the design of the flat panel imac. Remember - the hard drive, cd drive all work better horizontally and the display vertically. Nothing big but if that was the case then why move from the design.

Put in a G5 but keep the current form factor. Just my two cents.
 
the new iMac will be a hangable LCD with ports much like a laptop running along the side. it will also have a TV input, and Tivo-like capabilities, digital audio out and in, wireless networking, and a wireless apple branded remote. Single processor G5, 1.6 and 1.8, possibly 2.0.

new iPod will have wifi and possibly even an Apple developed OS.

apple lcd's will be detachable and hangable, probably lose ADC or incorporate the ADC to DVI converter into the monitor and allow for a power cord to be attached with DVI connetions. firewire 400 might also find its way onto the monitors along with usb 2.0.

i wish i had bought apple stock in 2002 when i bought my Quicksilver. I told my parents Apple would be huge, i even told my uncle's. NOBODY listened, they all laughed at me, WHOS LAUGHING NOW!?!?! though admittedly not as hard as I'd like to, since I have no Apple stock, only Microsoft (although my uncles bought it for me before it split :D ).
 
rice_web said:
$39 a share? What!?!?!

Okay, I'm quite astounded. Analysts are pushing a technology stock to 1999 technology-stock levels (granted, $39 is a far cry from $70, roughly Apple's peak). I don't know if I should believe that estimate, for the market is not showing such strength, and surely Apple will not make such in-roads with just a couple of product announcements.

Right?
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Well, I bought my two shares at about $17-$18. I check them periodically and they keep moving up. $39 doesn't seem farfetched. They are at exactly $33 right now.
 
Backing up here a little bit.

MikeTheC said:
If Apple sells a larger (or even same-sized) version of it's current LCD line-up and adds 802.11b/g to it, then without even having to strap a computer to it, one can have most, if not all, of what many of you are thinking and wanting.
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I suppose that's why Philips, ViewSonic, and basically anyone else doing wireless displays all have embedded processors, RAM, flash ROM, and some even have embedded graphics cards? If it were that simple, I highly doubt that Apple wouldn't have done it by now, given their focus on wireless at the moment. Let's not go into the fact that current wireless displays all cost $800 or more, shall we?

Full frame 1024x768 uncompressed video is 566Mbit/s (24-bit/pixel, 30 frames/s, 1024x768 resolution). Reduced size (360x240) video is 60Mbit/s (24-bit/pixel, 30 frames/s, 320x240). Even the tiny size is far more than current networking can handle wirelessly without some kind of efficient compression, and compression is likely to cause artifacts, especially on a screen with a high resolution like, say, a computer monitor. The reason that DVDs can look okay on your computer even at compressed state is that you're looking at a very, very low resolution screen. To put this in terms of file size, a single minute of uncompressed video at 640x480 resolution is 1.66GB. Standard NTSC video is 30 frames per second, 3-bit color depth, an d 640x480 resolution, for a 221Mbit/s requirement for bandwidth. That's still over the wireless transfer speed but nowhere near full, uncompressed digital quality.

802.11b is just about fast enough to send video and audio. If you use 802.11g instead, you now have a more robust interface for this. It so happens that another company (don't remember the name) is selling for about $2000 a 802.11b/g system that lets you watch TV. Sony is putting out a product somewhere around $1300 or $1400 that will let you do that and surf the web. Apple could easilly trump both of these offerings by simply tying the monitor into a full-fledged Mac. You could then have a Mac-on-a-wall as some of you have said, a tv-on-a-wall as others have said, and a web & email-on-a-wall as others still have said.
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It's a company called KiSS Technology, and they haven't really released it yet, as far as I can tell from their site. They certainly don't seem to want to advertise how horribly expensive a 42" HDTV plasma screen with networking and built-in DVD-ROM is going to set you back, though. Considering that I saw a simple, smaller plasma TV selling for $3000 the other day... Ouch.

If you want to play a DVD or record to DVD, why not have a WiFirewire drive somewhere handy, say on the end-table next to you? How about headphones done through WiFi?
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In a word: Latency. If you think that burning DVDs is slow when you have the interconnect inside your machine now... Whooo. Wait until you try it across a network.
 
applekid said:
Well, I bought my two shares at about $17-$18. I check them periodically and they keep moving up. $39 doesn't seem farfetched. They are at exactly $33 right now.
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I actually think it will hit $40 in next 3 months or so.

Especially once the hPod and new iPod hit the store shelves.

And also if iTMS opens in Canada, other Euro countries and Japan by yr's end.

Now if Apple could pull out a 3Ghz G5 by yr end and sell a few more super clusters I can bet Apples stock will soar.

It would be something to see Apples stock double it's self in another 12 months or so.
 
In response to a hanging monitor...

What everyone here has mentioned was to hang an image on a wall. What no one here has mentioned is to project an image onto that same wall. Wasn't there a rumor and/or thread about a front projection machine? Just curious since that would provide a closer access to DVD, etc. while projecting an image on a wall.

EDIT: I thought about this, but the price would be over by 2x the current iMac offerings...
 
ryanw said:
I don't feel like reading through all the comments, has anyone mentioned the new Spoken Interface for OSX 10.4 (tiger?)

http://www.apple.com/accessibility/spokeninterface/
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Interestingly enough, that API has been available since Jaguar. I know because I'm using it on my mac right now. I guess there haven't been any 3rd parties jumping on the bandwagon yet, so Apple's going to do it themselves.

The API is actually much more exciting than just speech navigation. It gives apps a complete look at all the UI elements on the system: all the open windows, all the buttons, text views, etc.
 
rog said:
Blah Blah Blah. Developers are leaving the Mac. It's just a fact. Norton abandoned it's (albeit buggy) Tools recently. Adobe Framemaker, Premiere, etc. Apps come out later or not at all on the Mac, and the problem is getting worse, not better, or they run far slower than they do on PCs (e.g. Office 2004).
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This is kind of silly. Norton has no use on MacOSX: a modern operating system that doesn't get fragmentation, has great VM, has virtually no viruses, etc. I never liked Norton on OS9 anyway. I say good riddance.

As for office not running well...WHAT DO YOU EXPECT!? I don't expect MS to pour much more money into their mac business unit. Already that mac unit has been suffering from lack of access to MS technologies and underfunding. My feeling is that their interest now lies in quietly putting the mac unit to sleep.

I'm not familiar with Framemaker, but there are alternatives to Premier, and in my experience they're all better. (Not that I'm a professional producer, but I have done some DV films for fun.)

Obviously, market share is something to be concerned about, but I really think that most of the companies leaving are doing so because MacOSX leaves no room for them; market share is not the reason.

When I go to the Apple store, or search online, there isn't a single piece of hardware or piece of software that I've ever even *wanted* let alone purchased that wasn't readily available.
 
Yes, Tiger is the big news

One more vote for Tiger being THE big news at WWDC :)

There may be new hardware or apps, but the foundation of the Mac is OS X, that's what's of biggest interest to developers, and that's what will affect ME for sure.

Can't wait to learn more about Tiger.
 
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