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WWDC Rumor Wrapup: Winners and Losers

I totally agree with bikertwin. While they look great from the side, from the front... they just do not look that great. Surely nothing like previous elegant Apple products. Now I know, the design aesthetic is changing and all, but STILL - it's a cheese grater!

On the flip side, I'll be so happy to NOT see El Capitan anymore. SO sick of the look! =)
 
G4 confusion

I don't get the new G4 lineup. Why all 1.25's? why not the more potent 1.4's? Also the mid line dual 1.25 has the 2mb of cache but the lowend has 1mb. I just don't get it. I would have lined up the following

Lowend:
Dual 1.25 2mb cache
256mb
80gb
Combo drive
$1299.00

Midrange:
Dual 1.4 2mb cache
512mb
120gb
Superdrive
$1599.00

Ultimate
Dual 1.4 2mb cache
1gb
120gb x 2
Superdrive
$2199.00

Doesn't that seem more inline? Just my thoughts 'cause after all the entry level G5 is $1999.00 doesn't it feel wrong that a maxed out G4 overprices an entry level G5 or am I totally off base here?

[edit] Actually at $3,274.00 the "Ultimate" G4 is more expensive that the $2999.00 Top-o-da-line G5! [/edit]
 
MOSR?

Www.Macosrumors.com got me started on rumor mongering. I loved them in 1996. The excitement they generated is part of why I have my current job. Some time between then and 2001 or so, it went down hill. Their sources dried up, or their creative writing deteriorated, I'm not sure which. By the time I stopped reading, they weren't updating regularly and when they did, they rarely had anything of value. The straw that broke the metaphorical camel's back is when they ripped on Apple for not letting them in some conference like a legitimate member of the press. I won't elaborate, but that made me never go back.

I noticed in the rumor roundup that MOSR wasn't there, so I tried to see if they were still around. MOSR.com has been squatted and macosrumors.com has expired.

When did they finally tank? Did they go out with a bang, or just forget to update for 3 months until the domains started to expire?
 
Re: G4 confusion

Originally posted by Steamboatwillie
I don't get the new G4 lineup. Why all 1.25's? why not the more potent 1.4's? Also the mid line dual 1.25 has the 2mb of cache but the lowend has 1mb. I just don't get it. I would have lined up the following

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Doesn't that seem more inline? Just my thoughts 'cause after all the entry level G5 is $1999.00 doesn't it feel wrong that a maxed out G4 overprices an entry level G5 or am I totally off base here?

[edit] Actually at $3,274.00 the "Ultimate" G4 is more expensive that the $2999.00 Top-o-da-line G5! [/edit]
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I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that the 1.42's are overclocked. The yields must not be too good for the overclocked models, so maybe they decided to cut out all that testing (and the expense) and deliver just 1.25's.
 
Originally posted by Gakusei
I think MacWhispers can't be crucified just yet...we'll have to see what happens when the new 15" is announced. If it's not G5 based, then we can nail them up.

No VP of any company is going to go on record saying, "Yeah, don't buy the product we have out right now, because we're gonna have a MUCH better one available next quarter!" What he considers anytime soon and what I consider anytime soon might be completely different.

Personally, though, I doubt there'll be a 970 based PowerBook announced until the next cycle. Speaking of which, where are the updates to the current PowerBooks for this cycle?!! I want to buy a 12", but not if it's going to be out of date in 2 weeks. :p
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Uh, he did say a year ago that the iBook ain't goin G4 anytime soon, and look, it still isn't. Anyways, if you didnt notice, MacWhispers got pretty much everything else wrong too. And you're still willing to believe them?
 
Expose and Piles

There seems to be some confusion about Expose possibly being another implementation of Piles.

From what I gather Expose is a tool for viewing open windows, windows of a like application or for momentarialy exposing the desktop to move files/folders.

Piles is for sorting documents based on certain criteria - a new way to organize your work.

Am I missing something here?
 
I know it goes against the majority sentiment, but I'm going to provide a little bit of defense for MacWhispers.

On March 7, a MacWhispers report was given that new mother boards are in production - http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/archives/000046.php
On March 10, MacB followed with the first 970 at WWDC rumor.
On March 21, MacWhispers reported the motherboards were for a single and dual 970 - http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/archives/000050.php

I think they deserve positive points for these reports. They deserve negative points for strongly speculating that a 970 powerbook would be released at WWDC. If the next 15" powerbook contains a G4, then they deserve even more negative points. I do not think the evidence suggests they got it all wrong.
 
Re: MOSR?

Originally posted by chrysrobyn
I noticed in the rumor roundup that MOSR wasn't there, so I tried to see if they were still around. MOSR.com has been squatted and macosrumors.com has expired.

When did they finally tank? Did they go out with a bang, or just forget to update for 3 months until the domains started to expire?
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macosrumors.com is still there for me, updated regularly although not particularly informatively. It really is not a player in the rumor market now -- in fact, I believe a month or two ago he practically admitted as much, indicating that the site would be moving to a more review-oriented approach.

However, I note that the current update claims that the next update will ANSWER the question of where the G5 PowerBooks are. I'll wait with bated breath.

On another note: As to macwhispers.com, the criticism of the site in the wake of WWDC has to be seen in a certain context. As most but perhaps not all know, the guy who runs the site is viewed with a certain amount of distrust as a result of a past incident. Thus, I think the things he says are subject to heightened scrutiny, and stronger reactions.
 
Nice wrapup again arn.

Good and thru and thru.

It seems like for hardware Think Secret doesn't have people giving them info, just the software dept.

Personally I would like to see a 1.4 GHZ 970, cause again a 4 model line not 3.

Even cheaper perhaps?

BTW, again apple is ripping us off for another X upgrade, arg!
10.3<$50 Less than $50 please!
 
I think the problem with MacWhispers is in interpreting what he reports. Let's assume that he was right about G5 PBs being manufactured. Who knows why? Maybe these are test runs. Maybe these are for internal developers. These could be the forerunners of G5 PBs that will come out next January or next summer.

The hard part about using his information, if it is accurate, is tying it into actual marketing plans.

Apple does their best to maintain secrecy. Precious little information leaks out making it very hard to interpret what we get.

This is the "rosy" interpretation. Probably some of what is on MacWhispers is misunderstood or misheard, that is life.
 
Originally posted by neutrino23
I think the problem with MacWhispers is in interpreting what he reports. Let's assume that he was right about G5 PBs being manufactured. Who knows why? Maybe these are test runs. Maybe these are for internal developers. These could be the forerunners of G5 PBs that will come out next January or next summer.
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Right. Which is why, I thought, he said a couple months ago after a horribly wrong iPod prediction that he would stop speculating based on the data provided to him and simply report the data. But he seems to have followed his own advice for about two days. For instance, if he heard from a reliable source that a G5 PowerBook existed in the flesh, he could have reported: "At least one G5 PowerBook has been made. It might be a prototype, or it might be machine number one off the assembly line. I don't know, but that's the data." That would have been consistent with what he said he would do with his data.

Anyway, I'm starting to get tired of analyzing why MacWhispers is not reliable. It just isn't.
 
Re: Mail 2.0

Originally posted by myrdred23
Actually, a new version of Mail was demonstrated by Steve, so the report of Mail 2.0 is not really inaccurate (although I don't know the version number of the new Mail).
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The features described by Looprumors are not included and it's not called 2.0. So, I'd say it's inaccurate. :)

arn
 
Re: Re: WWDC Rumor Wrapup: Winners and Losers

Originally posted by deepkid

Rumors hurt Apple when the uninformed take them as fact and then raise their own
expectations. (i.e. Wall Street types)
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I'm sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with this. Apple LIVES for the buzz and that's what rumors do.

PC sheepole never sit around and talk about an upcoming Dell product and consequently, the announcement of new, ugly ass PC's is never met with much fanfare.

Apple on the other hand is all about the three ring circus and the rumor sites are a big part of that circus.
 
Here's to MacBidouille....!!!

I think that we should be saying well done to MacBidouille!!

To be fair to them, they DID get the rumors right about the IBM PPC970 - including detailed motherboard specs....


:D
 
Re: Re: Re: WWDC Rumor Wrapup: Winners and Losers

Originally posted by greenstork
PC sheepole never sit around and talk about an upcoming Dell product and consequently, the announcement of new, ugly ass PC's is never met with much fanfare.
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I wonder if they have a better life because of it. Meaning, we waste so much time talking about what may or may not happen. Then we have to spend a few more hours filtering out what might or might not be true.

I thought owning an Apple gives you more free time. Coming to these boards, because I'm addicted, does the opposite of that.

Hey its all in good fun.
 
Originally posted by Nebrie
Uh, he did say a year ago that the iBook ain't goin G4 anytime soon, and look, it still isn't. Anyways, if you didnt notice, MacWhispers got pretty much everything else wrong too. And you're still willing to believe them?
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All I'm saying is that it's dangerous to believe statements like that because of the very reason that they can't and won't divulge information on a product that will make current sales plummet. So "not anytime soon" could mean, not this summer, but maybe this Fall.

And I never said I still believe them, or that I ever believed them. What I said was that they haven't been disproven and that I personally believe it will be next product cycle (after the current overdue one) before they get the update.
 
Arn, what did the announcements do for your guys? There seems to be a slowing in postings since. Do you have any traffic numbers, just curious.
 
The mystery of Macosrumors.com

Accurate tidbits: Multiple User Login (MacOSRumors)

You forgot that Macosrumors also accurately predicted that Piles wouldn't be in Panther (assuming that's still case, since Jobs didn't demo it.) So would someone explain something to me? I've seen tons of snide comments around the Internet, but particularly here, aimed at Macosrumors. I wonder why. I've been following rumor sites for almost three years, and while Macosrumors doesn't update nearly as often as some sites, they seem to me to have a higher ratio of rumor-to-reality tidbits. Why is there such a nasty attitude toward that site? It seems to me that it's a fairly reliable source, not as much so as say ThinkSecret or MacBidouille, but they rank up there, certainly they blow overrated sites like Spymac out of the water. (And no, I have absolutely nothing to do with Macosrumors or any other rumor site--just a reader.)
 
Re: The mystery of Macosrumors.com

Originally posted by inkswamp
Accurate tidbits: Multiple User Login (MacOSRumors)

You forgot that Macosrumors also accurately predicted that Piles wouldn't be in Panther (assuming that's still case, since Jobs didn't demo it.) So would someone explain something to me? I've seen tons of snide comments around the Internet, but particularly here, aimed at Macosrumors. I wonder why. I've been following rumor sites for almost three years, and while Macosrumors doesn't update nearly as often as some sites, they seem to me to have a higher ratio of rumor-to-reality tidbits. Why is there such a nasty attitude toward that site? It seems to me that it's a fairly reliable source, not as much so as say ThinkSecret or MacBidouille, but they rank up there, certainly they blow overrated sites like Spymac out of the water. (And no, I have absolutely nothing to do with Macosrumors or any other rumor site--just a reader.)
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They have posted insane stuff, I'd show you but their archives are offline. Stuff like color ipods and hardware with red-green-yellow buttons like in X
 
Weren't the motherboard specs somewhat easy to guess? Arn even said that MacB got lots of stuff wrong, and I agree. The things they DID get right were things that were easy to guess, like the motherboard specs. They did a good job in telling us that the 970 was coming out for WWDC, but they got many details about the system wrong. Nobody got the exact specs of the machine right until AFTER the leak, not even MacB.

For now, I won't go anywhere other than MacRumours......erm.....MacRumors. I like the summary of all rumours, right or wrong. ;)
 
Over the last few weeks I've posted several predictions for WWDC and I even promised to return here if I did badly in my statements. So, first let me get it over and say that I was definitely wrong in a number of my "guesses" about the PPC970 machines. I was wrong, I was wrong, bad me, I admit it.

The part that I got wrong in a big way was my disbelief of the "leaked" G5 specs that appeared on the Apple site last Thursday. As we now know these were true, and last week I was certain that they had to be false. So here I deserve a definite serving of "crow." I was expecting a more conservative release, but I'm actually very happy that Apple has introduced a system architecture that should remain competitive for at least another year or two (given that the G5 clock speed can be increased on a decent schedule -- the 3GHz target that Steve Jobs mentioned sounds pretty good for the next 12 months).

However, I did get a few things right. From the beginning (in May) I was saying that there was absolutely no way that PPC970-based machines would ship at WWDC (or even within one week of the conference). I said that the most optimistic ship dates would be late August or September. Thus on the availability date I was fairly accurate. I say "fairly" because I would not have been surprised it these systems had shipped closer to the end of the year.

I also said that dual-processor machines (high-end) would be pretty expensive. I believe I got that only partially correct, because I think at $3000 the dual 2.0 GHz machine isn't too bad (although more expensive than the previous dual G4s and I have some question about the mid-range graphics card that comes at that price point). True, you can easily upgrade the graphics card but that adds some $300 to the price. In any case, given their stellar design and the very real possibility that the dual-G5s will outperform similarly configured PCs, I think the prices aren't too bad (although, I'd really like to see a low-end model closer to $1500).
 
Re: Here's to MacBidouille....!!!

Originally posted by DanUk2003
I think that we should be saying well done to MacBidouille!!
:D
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I have mixed feelings about the MacBidouille reports. I think it is pretty well agreed that their benchmark numbers for the PPC970 machines were completely faked (not by MacBidouille, but by the person who submitted them, so MacBidouille does appear to have placed too much confidence in that source). They were also incorrect about the ship dates, but it could be argued that no one, not even Apple, really knew when the machines would be ready (i.e. problems may have forced a delay).

So, MacBidouille got some things right and other things wrong. They were certainly among the first to begin the build up for WWDC and I think they did have some real information on the motherboard design.
 
Re: Re: Re: WWDC Rumor Wrapup: Winners and Losers

Originally posted by greenstork
I'm sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with this. Apple LIVES for the buzz and that's what rumors do.

PC sheepole never sit around and talk about an upcoming Dell product and consequently, the announcement of new, ugly ass PC's is never met with much fanfare.

Apple on the other hand is all about the three ring circus and the rumor sites are a big part of that circus.
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As a stockholder and journalist, I can tell you that rumors cause more harm than good for Apple. Some of the speculation you read is completely insane -- in a bad way.

So if Apple can't live up to the wild expectations (example: G8 Power Mac with quad 10Ghz 990 chips, 5Ghz sytem bus per chip, 4 500GB serial ATA drives, all for $199 with immediate delivery) then it affects the stock price and it gives the Wall Street types more ammunition in dissing Apple.

Readers are warned to take speculation with a grain of salt and that's fine, but when one rumor site starts clawing at another it takes the fun out of it. There's a difference between being competitive and throwing dirt.

I'm just concerned about the increased clawing that I'm seeing on MacRumors and I don't think its necessary in giving an account of what actually transpired.

Let's keep it fun and play like good sports.
 
Originally posted by fpnc
Over the last few weeks I've posted several predictions for WWDC and I even promised to return here if I did badly in my statements. So, first let me get it over and say that I was definitely wrong in a number of my "guesses" about the PPC970 machines. I was wrong, I was wrong, bad me, I admit it.
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Are you with a particular rumors site?
 
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