WWDC: Snow Leopard (10A380), More iPhone Evidence, Live Coverage

[hiimamac]

2 days left! I would love to see Steve come on the stage for "One More Thing". I also wish that there would be a live video stream.

Yeah but give him and matt credit. Win 7 will be updated by most IT departments and while I use mac OSS most of the time, vista sp2 is rock solid, works very well, just has a bad rap but win 7 does not. Win 7 will sell very well as the hype is über positive. Their DVD and media player is far superior especialy that it does everything apple tv doesand morewhwn hooked upto a tv line. If msft comes out with a phone, this could be a hit, the zine is also getting a huge buzz add to this palm ore, flash soon, no flash on iPhone and millions of expired iPhone contracts and it could be huge still, you have to wonder why palm waited so long unless they know something we do now and apple might be the ones with the photo copiers this time

Exciting times for consumer. Hope to see netbook but somethig has to give, apple air or MacBook unlessapple ties inwith data plan which = fail.

 

[Anuba]

Logic needs elastic stretch. Pro tools e even has surround now and elastic is a blessing.

You should see (not to mention hear) the elastic stretch in Propellerhead's Record. Best algorithm I ever heard, and the application is arrogantly casual about it... not really mentioned anywhere, it's not in menus, you just discover it when you change the tempo and all the audio is automatically stretched or compressed like it was a perfectly natural thing to happen when you change the master tempo.

 

[pasito]

Actually, the tweakers.net post and screenshot also mentions an iPhone 3G 8Gb V2... For people who are interested I hereby provide a translation of the article:



To translate NTB as NetBook might be plausable, but I agree with pixelbart that the following would make more send. Any other people got screenshots from the T-Mobile system in - for example - the UK? It would be interesting to see that they list as the NTB device?





Cheers!

Somehow I don't think its a Netbook. If you look at the pricewatch picture link, they also show Phones with TBD in there descriptions.

 

[iBug2]

Microsoft don't base their code on open source freeware, and their OSes aren't subsidised by huge hardware prices.

What does that have to do with anything? You make it sound like Apple didn't spend any money on developing OS X.

 

[Biolizard]

I know it's :45 minutes if apple self praise, look how much we've grown

They've been telling us for months how many iPhones and Touch's they've sold and that more than a billion apps have been downloaded. If Phil spends any more than 30 seconds on a slide with a graph detailing their latest numbers I'll be annoyed.

 

[windywoo]

What does that have to do with anything? You make it sound like Apple didn't spend any money on developing OS X.

I'm sure they do spend money on developing it, but the fact is, the ground work is done by someone else. The security and stability of OSX come from its Unix base, the glitzy UI is Apple's work. Microsoft do the whole shebang, and don't have hardware sales to keep their software prices low. Besides I can get Vista cheaper than OSX as a student, and if you buy an OEM version of Vista it is cheaper than Leopard. Do OEM versions of Leopard exist?

 

[Ti_Poussin]

As for the next OS X code, I vote for "Bears Cavalry" which would be able to run on any X86, AMD_64 platform to suppress a big market share to Microsoft!

Damn, wishful thinking! I want an affordable tower, not a freaking iMac!

 

[celtikmind]

As for the next OS X code, I vote for "Bears Cavalry" which would be able to run on any X86, AMD_64 platform to suppress a big market share to Microsoft!

Damn, wishful thinking! I want an affordable tower, not a freaking iMac!

Keep screaming - my throat is sore already...

 

[BJWanlund]

Yes! They even have an iPhone version!

Yippee! Thanks!

BTW, what's the web address for the mobile / iPhone version of MRL? I absolutely WILL use my iPhone in class to try to keep up, although the other students may be merciful and actually not ask so many god blessed questions so we can get to a quiz sooner!

BJ

 

[dragossh]

I'm sure they do spend money on developing it, but the fact is, the ground work is done by someone else. The security and stability of OSX come from its Unix base, the glitzy UI is Apple's work. Microsoft do the whole shebang, and don't have hardware sales to keep their software prices low. Besides I can get Vista cheaper than OSX as a student, and if you buy an OEM version of Vista it is cheaper than Leopard. Do OEM versions of Leopard exist?

NIH syndrome. There's nothing wrong with taking BSD code and using that as a base. If a good piece of software exists and the license allows commercial usage, why not use it?

 

[vansouza]

You've seen too many keynotes and believed too much of what has been preached to you.


1. The Mac division at Microsoft already has Snow Leopard, nobody there needs to start a photocopier. Adobe and Microsoft are the most important third party software developers for the Mac platform - you can bet that they get early releases of OS X even before the rest of the members of Apple's Developer Connection. Microsoft and Apple even have a patent deal that allows them to use each others patents. But even without that are there probably more relevant innovations and improvements in Windows 7 than there will be in Snow Leopard - Windows 7 targets a market of almost on BILLION installations in all spoken and written languages world-wide on the long term. Compared to this, all the big words in an Apple keynote are just... obnoxious marketing and say more about the narrow mindedness at Apple than they say about their competitors. (Heck, even Linux supports more languages and is available in more countries than OS X.)


2. Steve Ballmer probably doesn't care very much about Mac OS X Snow Leopard. More people already have downloaded the Release Candidate of Windows 7 than Apple will ever sell Snow Leopard licenses. Apple's market share in the OS sector still is completely insignificant when compared to Microsoft.

3. If Steve Ballmer is paying attention to anything that Apple is doing, then this will be the iPhone and iTunes, because the latter is the only area where Apple really is the heavy-weight that they claim to be. However, with DRM disappearing from online music (and soon video) sales and other giants like Amazon entering this market, Apple will have to do a lot of homework to keep their market dominance.

If your point #2 were true then why would MS invest time and money with a Mac business unit. Your point #1 and #2 seem so conflict.

 

[celtikmind]

NIH syndrome. There's nothing wrong with taking BSD code and using that as a base. If a good piece of software exists and the license allows commercial usage, why not use it?

Use it all you want but the credit should go where it belongs, to the right people. I don't see Apple doing that anywhere, at very least not where normal folks see it. Correction, yes, I know they stated it was based on Unix in some of the previous info but... come on. It wouldn't surprise me if Apple is perfectly happy letting the world believe they invented the whole thing themselves.

If your point #2 were true then why would MS invest time and money with a Mac business unit.

Making more money of course, what did you think?

 

[vansouza]

Microsoft don't base their code on open source freeware, and their OSes aren't subsidised by huge hardware prices.

The price of MS's OS's is not just the high cost of boxed price but also the fact that you need to buy antivirus, anti trogan and anti malware software.

Those extra costs do not apply to OS X.

 

[celtikmind]

The price of MS's OS's is not just the high cost of boxed price but also the fact that you need to buy antivirus, anti trojan and anti malware software.

Those extra costs do not apply to OS X.

Usually in one package and and a very small amount in relation to what either OS cost. In fact, there are good enough ones for free.

Would you like to try again?

Seriously, come up with a real reason. That's just senseless bashing.

 

[dragossh]

Usually in one package and and a very small amount in relation to what either OS cost. In fact, there are good enough ones for free.

Would you like to try again?

Seriously, come up with a real reason. That's just senseless bashing.

That doesn't negate the fact that you still need to pay for protection every year. The free ones are intentionally cripplled.

 

[kajitox]

Can't wait for the live coverage! Hopefully no problems this time.

 

[NoSmokingBandit]

The price of MS's OS's is not just the high cost of boxed price but also the fact that you need to buy antivirus, anti trogan and anti malware software.

Those extra costs do not apply to OS X.

That doesn't negate the fact that you still need to pay for protection every year. The free ones are intentionally cripplled.

Stop with the fud please.

Comodo

 

[windywoo]

That doesn't negate the fact that you still need to pay for protection every year. The free ones are intentionally cripplled.

Running Avast on all the computers in my house and not a single one of them has come ever down with even a case of the sniffles.

I never said Apple didn't have a right to use the BSD base code, I just said there was a reason they could charge less than Microsoft, and if you know where to look, you can get Microsoft's software for less.

 

[celtikmind]

That doesn't negate the fact that you still need to pay for protection every year. The free ones are intentionally cripplled.

Either way, to start factor in what you're going to need to run an OS... Heck, you need an Apple-produced Mac to run OS X in the first place. So either compare the OS prices with "what's needed", or without.

Crippled? Have you even tried any? Most normal users can get by with them just fine.

Besides, speaking of crippled, where do I change the acceleration for the mouse in OS X so that I can stop it from giving me the cramps? I can find the speed but the acceleration is still off... This question is rethorical so save your typing.

Stop with the fud please.

Comodo

Running Avast on all the computers in my house and not a single one of them has come ever down with even a case of the sniffles.

Both fine examples, thank you!

 

[MikeTheC]

This may all happen in time for me to consider a MacBook with Snow Leopard on it. That would be most cool, actually.

Apple needs to keep up the pressure in the OS space. As it is, they continue to make the other OS offerings (whether for PCs or embedded devices) look like some kind of amateur hour.

C'mon, Apple. Keep up the full-court press!

 

[dragossh]

Either way, to start factor in what you're going to need to run an OS... Heck, you need an Apple-produced Mac to run OS X in the first place. So either compare the OS prices with "what's needed", or without.

Crippled? Have you even tried any? Most normal users can get by with them just fine.

Besides, speaking of crippled, where do I change the acceleration for the mouse in OS X so that I can stop it from giving me the cramps? I can find the speed but the acceleration is still off... This question is rethorical so save your typing.

1. Enjoy.

2. Don't tell me antivirus makers offer the free versions out of good will. Besides, they eat up CPU and RAM -> less battery life on laptops.

3. To be fair, you also need to buy a computer to run Windows in the first place.

 

[windywoo]

Well I'm sure the antivirus companies would like you to upgrade to their full versions, but one of the reasons they provide free anti-virus is because unprotected machines are just too much of a risk. In the long run it makes more sense to have everyone running at least the minimum protection rather than have all the problems associated with infected PCs.

 

[NoSmokingBandit]

3. To be fair, you also need to buy a computer to run Windows in the first place.

To be completely fair, it would cost half as much for the same specs.

 

[typofreak183]

Can't wait for the live coverage! Hopefully no problems this time.

Hey guys!

This is my first post on the forums, so if I happen to do something wrong then let me know...


I agree. Last time, my computer had some problems trying to get the coverage from Apple's website... It was provided as a QuickTime feed or something like that if I remember correctly. It would always tell me "Feed Not Found", but I was using a PC back then so that might have been the problem

I'm especially excited for the Snow Leopard coverage we've been promised -- as soon as someone leaks a screenshot or video, Apple seems to take them down.

Can't wait!

 

[iBug2]

We are not discussing if Apple sells higher priced comps, that's something everyone agrees on. But OS wise, Apple OS are half as expensive as Microsoft OS. Vista Ultimate sells for 245$ atm.