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XP is pretty stable and has been for a while. Problems usually occur because of badly written drivers or badly written software in general.

With all the combinations of hardware and software out there I'm surprised Windows works at all!

My issue with Windows, and my reason for moving to the Mac, was the totally ridiculous way Windows organises files and drivers, as well as requiring installs, uninstalls, and that ridiculous thing called 'the registry'.

Sonw Leopard looks really good. Anything that makes the most of existing hardware through really efficient programming gets my vote.
 
Of course, it's just a Window with a Webkit view inside.

The idea will be for developers to use the local SQLLite database to store your data locally, then you can work with data offline and then it all syncs back to the server when you come back online.

Great for non-collaborative working documentation where collisions or last write/save don't overwrite group changes.
 
The new safe as web app is look, but got mr personally I don't think I'm ever going to use it.
 
Have you managed to get it to save more than just the current page being browsed as a web app? I can only get one page with associated graphics, but it is a neat little package.

Most web apps are only one “page”.

That said if there are hyperlinks, the Safari Web Application will handle those like normal Safari — i.e. it shows the page in the browser viewport.
 
I'd like the option in safari to have every link clicked open in a new tab or window without having to right click and select "open in new tab" or "open in new window" as it is now only links that specify "blank" open this way.
 
Most web apps are only one “page”.

That said if there are hyperlinks, the Safari Web Application will handle those like normal Safari — i.e. it shows the page in the browser viewport.

I realize this but the article states:

"This allows users to save specific websites as self-contained applications that can be launched independently of Safari"

Which is misleading.
 
I realize this but the article states:

"This allows users to save specific websites as self-contained applications that can be launched independently of Safari"

Which is misleading.

That quote is correct.

Which bit is misleading?
 
RE: [ " Apple is focusing on underlying performance and stability in Snow Leopard. " ].......


Isn't that almost like Apple saying current Leopard is broken and we're going to fix it in Snow Leopard? HAha!

Doesn't those statements and the dropped PowerPC support open up Apple to the mother of all class action lawsuits, considering regular Leopard's lack of both, particularly on supposedly supported PowerPC systems ?!?

Especially since 10.5.4 appears to just be a iPhone 3G compatibility update and not much else from reports here.

Seriously, if you're a late model G5 owner or iMac G5 owner, you gotta be sort of be grinding your teeth reading these phrases! Too funny!
 
OH, and now my opinion:

I think there's a moral issue here if they sell snow leopard for full price.

First off, they're admitting their product was defective--their code was bloated and unstable.

Then, they charge you to upgrade to a version free of their defects.

I think, just on principle, they should sell the OS for much less than full price. Besides, selling of OS updates isn't actually a large portion of their mac sales income. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that there's no way that ANY OS X version has EVER paid for its development costs in the selling of the software alone. Letting this one loose for cheap would probably sell so many Macs by good PR that it'd be worth the loss.

After all, if you bought Windows XP in 2001, you got 6 whole years of free updates and service packs.

If you cannot afford a $129.99 OS X upgrade, you shouldn't be thinking about upgrading in the first place? If you do not have the cash, stay with what you have. Don't cry to us about it. Are you going to tell me 10.4 and 10.5 do not preform to your needs? There's not an obligation to upgrade.
 
RE: [ " Apple is focusing on underlying performance and stability in Snow Leopard. " ].......
Isn't that almost like Apple saying current Leopard is broken and we're going to fix it in Snow Leopard? HAha!
Nope.

Doesn't those statements and the dropped PowerPC support open up Apple to the mother of all class action lawsuits, considering regular Leopard's lack of both, particularly on supposedly supported PowerPC systems ?!?
Nope.

Especially since 10.5.4 appears to just be a iPhone 3G compatibility update and not much else from reports here.
Nope.

Seriously, if you're a late model G5 owner or iMac G5 owner, you gotta be sort of be grinding your teeth reading these phrases! Too funny!
Nope.
 
If you cannot afford a $129.99 OS X upgrade, you shouldn't be thinking about upgrading in the first place? If you do not have the cash, stay with what you have. Don't cry to us about it. Are you going to tell me 10.4 and 10.5 do not preform to your needs? There's not an obligation to upgrade.

You missed the essense of that post.

How can you get from "moral issue" (i.e. ethics, that is) and "on principle" to your version: "cannot afford"? There's quite a difference between those thing. You see, when it's about ethics and principles, it doesn't matter if it's 10 cents or 10.000 dollars. It's, as one would rightfully assume, the principle.

You know, you have just constructed a strawman argument of the worst kind.


Nope.


Nope.


Nope.


Nope.

I'm in awe of the way you back up and argue your opinion. :p
 
Seriously, if you're a late model G5 owner or iMac G5 owner, you gotta be sort of be grinding your teeth reading these phrases! Too funny!

Again, if you're a G5 owner and they're dropping PPC support, there is no obligation to upgrade your operating system. Stay with 10.4 and 10.5, both of which will work fine on PPC.

Maybe I should e-mail EA games and complain that Crysis won't run on my Pentium II PC with a 32MB Diamond GT v770 video card.
 
You missed the essense of that post.

How can you get from "moral issue" (i.e. ethics, that is) and "on principle" to your version: "cannot afford"? There's quite a difference between those thing. You see, when it's about ethics and principles, it doesn't matter if it's 10 cents or 10.000 dollars. It's, as one would rightfully assume, the principle.

You know, you have just constructed a strawman argument of the worst kind.

Because I do not believe it's a "moral issue". I also don't believe he honestly thinks it is either, he's just looking for ground to stand on. He made it known that he feels it should be "free" (like the 6 years of free XP updates), so it does come down to money, like I said.
 
Again, if you're a G5 owner and they're dropping PPC support, there is no obligation to upgrade your operating system. Stay with 10.4 and 10.5, both of which will work fine on PPC.

we will see how much noise G5 users will make over this when it out.

If logic can explain everything, and if everybody do what you think they should do.....lets just say, ideal situation just isn't enough in some cases.
 
Again, if you're a G5 owner and they're dropping PPC support, there is no obligation to upgrade your operating system. Stay with 10.4 and 10.5, both of which will work fine on PPC.

Maybe I should e-mail EA games and complain that Crysis won't run on my Pentium II PC with a 32MB Diamond GT v770 video card.

You forget though, that this update is not about the difference between, say, tiger and leopard. No, it's Leopard, only this time around, they chose to make it efficient and fix it, and in the process, nixing PPC-support. They might as well say "sorry, guys, we never bothered optimising the OS, and now that we do, only some of you will be able to get it. The rest? Well, thanks for paying for buggy leopard".
 
OH, and now my opinion:

I think there's a moral issue here if they sell snow leopard for full price.

First off, they're admitting their product was defective--their code was bloated and unstable.

Then, they charge you to upgrade to a version free of their defects.

I think, just on principle, they should sell the OS for much less than full price. Besides, selling of OS updates isn't actually a large portion of their mac sales income. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that there's no way that ANY OS X version has EVER paid for its development costs in the selling of the software alone. Letting this one loose for cheap would probably sell so many Macs by good PR that it'd be worth the loss.

After all, if you bought Windows XP in 2001, you got 6 whole years of free updates and service packs.
Where are they admitting that the code is defective? Because they are introducing a new version down the road? So by your logic (or lack thereof) any company that produces an update to software has produced defective code? And if they charge for it they should be sued because said code is defective? Snow Leopard will have considerably more issues once it's release than Leopard or Tiger. The latter two have been used and updated, while SL will be a new OS version with a relatively small number of people reporting issues.

Do you honestly believe that a new version of an OS is proof that a previous version was defective? If you don't want or can't use the benefits of a new OS then you don't buy it. Buy your logic, you would also have to think that a new OS would be less defective. Have you compared Vista and XP?


Uh, PPC uses different binaries than Intel.

Applications in OS X are actually folders that Apple dubs "packages". The only difference between PPC and Universal apps is the addition of a few extra SMALL files which are the program "code" itself, compiled into what they call a "binary"--machine code (specific for a certain computer). Binaries can't work for more than one instruction set at once without emulation (eg Java's "virtual machine," etc).

Therefore,
Removing the PPC code shouldn't result in any speed enhancement and will certainly not clear up any significant hard drive space.

Likely, some of the 10.5 code is currently PPC only and not "universal." It's probably being emulated. Obviously, porting a copy for intel would result in faster speeds--but that has nothing to do with the PPC code "gumming things up." That's simply a matter of Apple being too lazy to make a working copy for Intel.

I really don't know how many times I have to keep saying this: Apple's dropping PPC because it's too much work to test and maintain their OS on that many machines, especially when half are on a totally different instruction set.

The more cynical will say Apple's trying to force users to upgrade, pointing out that the G5's more than meet the speed requirements. Also, if 10.6 is so much faster than 10.5, shouldn't the system requirements be LESS? Woops. I don't agree with this reasoning, I think they just don't want to have to support PPC anymore because of cost issues--which are pretty massive.
Try using Monolithic to remove all the PPC code from an Intel machine or all the Intel code from a PPC machine. You can save GBs depending on what apps you have installed and which CPU architecture you are using. Disclaimer: I don't recommend doing this on your only working machine.

Your logic is so flawed that we can safely say that you have not even begun to think it through. Code is much more efficient but we still need faster machines because we do more complex things with it. Grand Central and OpenCL appear to be doing complex tasks that will speed up other tasks.
 
You forget though, that this update is not about the difference between, say, tiger and leopard. No, it's Leopard, only this time around, they chose to make it efficient and fix it, and in the process, nixing PPC-support. They might as well say "sorry, guys, we never bothered optimising the OS, and now that we do, only some of you will be able to get it. The rest? Well, thanks for paying for buggy leopard".

And how many updates are left for 10.5? I'm sure they'll leave PPC owners with something close to the stability of SL.
 
I'm sure they'll leave PPC owners with something close to the stability of SL.
that remain to be seen, but there should be sufficient difference between 10.5.12 and 10.6.0 to warrant the $$$. So Im not sure 10.5.12 will satisfy G5 users.
 
Because I do not believe it's a "moral issue".

It doesn't matter if you think it's a "Moral issue", "ethics" or matter of principles or not. The moment you pretend he was saying he was bitching about not being able to afford it, you made a god-awful strawman argument.

I also don't believe he honestly thinks it is either, he's just looking for ground to stand on.

Sorry, but that rings utterly hollow coming from someone who has to pretend the opponent says something completely different than what he actually said in order to put together an argument.

He made it known that he feels it should be "free" (like the 6 years of free XP updates), so it does come down to money, like I said.

It doesn't come down to being able to afford, which was what you said. Ethics, morals and principles can be about money too. That does in no way mean it's merely a matter of being able to afford something. His point, and many other's are that on principle it should be free. That's absolutely not the same as "It should be free, otherwise I cannot afford it".

You're the last person to say things like "he's just looking for ground to stand on".
 
They might as well say "sorry, guys, we [can't optimize OS X any more than we have while still supporting PPC], and now that we [are dropping PPC from Snow Leopard], [the majority] of you will be able to get [the optimized system that can be had when you build for one architecture]. The rest? Well, thanks for paying for [Leopard, with isn't buggy now that there are seven point releases and we are continuing to support it with point updates as we have for all our valued customers]".

Fixed!
 
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