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The Oracle purchase of Sun might have had something to do with the removal of ZFS support from Snow Leopard.

Perhaps Apple was unsure of Oracle's plans with ZFS and thus decided to remove support. Just a thought.
 
FINALLY!

An iDisk app is something that I have always wanted since the beginning. Now I don't have to email stuff to myself just to be able to view it on my iPhone. I can just drag and drop now. :D
 
Am I misunderstanding this, but aren't there already a ton of Apps that allow you to access your iDisk/MobileMe files (even via 3G networks)?

I already do this with Quicksheet, MobileFiles, etc. And it's pretty easy.

There are already a so many ways to view your iDisk and OS X files on your iPhone, remotely, even without wifi. Hell, you can even use Jaadu VNC and go all out and control your Mac right on your iPhone screen. Or install iGet Mobile and presto, your mac is an instant personal web-server. Access your files from any device.
 
No point having ZFS support if it's not 100% stable in Apple-land. You should never rush these things :p

iDisk app looks kinda cool. MobileMe still isn't worth the money, but at least it's slowly working its way towards value.
 
it's nice, but i still don't see it being worth $99

It is so worth it. With all of the extra features they are introducing it is awesome. Not to mention the whole calander/contact syncing over the air. It is perfect for someone who makes a lot of calander changes and doesn't want to sync their phone everyday.
 
Is ZFS finished as far as anyone implementing it as a main filesystem? It sounds like vaporware to me. BeOS was suppose to have a filesystem that was all the rave and it disappeared too.

Wow... it is the part where you did not know what you were talking about, but that did not seem to stop you from pointing that to us?

Solaris has had production ZFS for a good couple of years now, and the fact that BeOS failed in the market place does not mean its filesystem was "vaporware" it definitively worked, and it was a pretty good FS implementation with metadata support from the get go.

For crying out loud, do you even know what a filesystem is for that matter?
 
The Oracle purchase of Sun might have had something to do with the removal of ZFS support from Snow Leopard.

Perhaps Apple was unsure of Oracle's plans with ZFS and thus decided to remove support. Just a thought.

ZFS is opensource, Oracle's acquisition of SUN has nothing to do with the status of ZFS in OSXland. If anything, rather that looking for exoteric explanations and whatnots... Occam's razor would dictate that it is just a simple case of Apple engineers dropping the ball regarding filesystem technology.

OSX server will continue being a laughing stock until apple gets their act together regarding that product. Blaming other parties, with shipping products using ZFS in production, for Apple's shortcomings is a tad disingenuous IMHO.

Yes, Apple like any other corporation in the world can screw up sometimes. Some Apple fans think that recognize that fact would tantamount to a world destroying singularity... or something.
 
As a mobileme customer, I'm looking forward to the idisk app. It would be so much better than simply attaching files and emailing myself so I can have access to those files on the phone.

FINALLY!

An iDisk app is something that I have always wanted since the beginning. Now I don't have to email stuff to myself just to be able to view it on my iPhone. I can just drag and drop now.

But there are already apps in the App store that can access the iDisk and Public folders and they've existed for many months now: Quickoffice et al., Readdledocs, etc.

My guess is the dedicated iDisk app will add other features such as having a Share button to send files that are too large to email.
 
I use MobileFiles for my iDisk access. If this Apple program can do what it does, like copy the file to the phone then I will be very happy. But so far, I don't think we've seen that functionality listed.

As for ZFS, I'm not personally interested in it. Although I am a power user, I don't think I can fill a 500gb drive.
 
This is a nice addition, and if it means I can actually use this files offline, then that will be awesome.

The funny thing about MobileMe is after so many years of it being terrible--buggy, slow--I was beaten into just using it for sync. (something worth $100 to me.)

But maybe it is time to try to fold more of MobileMe into my workflow. Outside of sync and mail, I don't ever think of using it.
 
MobileMe and Me

I have a MobileMe account, but I haven't done much with it. I was turned off by all the technical hiccups it had. But now I'm going to have to revisit that and see what I can do with it alongside iPhone OS 3.0.:)
 
once MobilMe can allow me to grab files from the mac seemlessly, I will be on board...to me that seems like the lost link...the convergence of you mac at home and tyour mobile device (itouch or iphone)...once i can grab music or pix or files from one remotely...

wait, couldn't you do that with the airport extreme?
 
it's nice, but i still don't see it being worth $99

Well, it gives me seamless hardware, software, server and web integration for $99. Yes, you can pay a web hosting company less for more space, but zero integration.

Or you can look at ads all day on Yahoo GMail or some rubbish, and still not get the integration with the hardware and software.

Hey, it'd be neat if it was free just for being a Mac customer. Maybe a 2 year subscription with each new mac. But it's not. And as a standalone service I find it invaluable. Really makes my mail and calendar seamless acros the computer and iPhone and web. I don't even sync anymore unless I need a song or photo.
 
Is ZFS finished as far as anyone implementing it as a main filesystem? It sounds like vaporware to me. BeOS was suppose to have a filesystem that was all the rave and it disappeared too.

iDisk makes much more sense compared to having to email yourself documents as attachments to view them on your iPhone.

Definitely not vaporware. I've been running the dev versions of ZFS on my external drives for OSX for a couple of years now. Never had corruption issues. Some apps won't use it (notably Time Machine), but it's been stable for me. Only issue is that you have to run a "zpool export" command to eject it instead of using the eject button, but once you get into that habit it's not a big deal.

Development has been stopped for Leopard for a while so they can concentrate on a stable implementation on Snow Leopard (from what I've read, anyway).
 
once MobilMe can allow me to grab files from the mac seemlessly, I will be on board...to me that seems like the lost link...the convergence of you mac at home and tyour mobile device (itouch or iphone)...once i can grab music or pix or files from one remotely...

wait, couldn't you do that with the airport extreme?

Already does. Check out all the apps that do this.

Check out iGet Mobile as well.

There are also several VNC options.
 
I've been running a ZFS pool on my Solaris box for about a year now. Extremely stable, and VERY easy to configure. While I was very excited about the possibility of having ZFS pools on OS X Server 10.6, I can't say that I'm surprised it got pulled. If you've been following the MacOSForge page (http://zfs.macosforge.org/trac/wiki/issues), there are still many issues with the implementation. ZFS is stable, but it requires a rethinking about how the OS interacts with it. It essentially obsoletes a lot of the code in TimeMachine, requires Spotlight to understand how snapshots are organized, and so on. It's not as simple as just writing a driver, if Apple really wants to integrate full support it requires a major rewrite of most of the OS components that access the disk in order to take advantage of the features ZFS provides. Here's to hoping it makes it to a 10.6.x release or that 10.7 will be out in less than 18 months.
 
And Sun products require a pricey support contract so Sun engineers can custom tweak on site as Sun products rarely "just work" right out of the box.
Nonsense. I know several small businesses who run on Sun with no support contract at all, just a modicum of Unix experience.
 
ZFS is opensource, Oracle's acquisition of SUN has nothing to do with the status of ZFS in OSXland.
It's open source, but Sun engineers have certainly helped Apple with their implementation. That's help they could probably forget about in future if Oracle were to can ZFS, or decide they didn't want to help out Apple. (I have no idea why they'd decide to do either of those things, though.)
 
The main reason I was looking forward to ZFS was for the support of logical volumes (which in ZFS land is referred to as pools, right?). I didn't used to think this was a big deal, but as my media libraries have grown (legally, I might add as an aside) and with increased backup space requirements I'm beginning to see the light. :D
 
I've been running a ZFS pool on my Solaris box for about a year now. Extremely stable, and VERY easy to configure. While I was very excited about the possibility of having ZFS pools on OS X Server 10.6, I can't say that I'm surprised it got pulled. If you've been following the MacOSForge page (http://zfs.macosforge.org/trac/wiki/issues), there are still many issues with the implementation. ZFS is stable, but it requires a rethinking about how the OS interacts with it. It essentially obsoletes a lot of the code in TimeMachine, requires Spotlight to understand how snapshots are organized, and so on. It's not as simple as just writing a driver, if Apple really wants to integrate full support it requires a major rewrite of most of the OS components that access the disk in order to take advantage of the features ZFS provides. Here's to hoping it makes it to a 10.6.x release or that 10.7 will be out in less than 18 months.

Ding-ding-ding! We have a winner. This is why it has been silently dropped from the feature-list. Though I don't see it coming as a 10.6.X release - switching filesystems on an up-and-running system would be problematic, methinks. Also, wouldn't you need to reformat your existing drives? That data would have to go somewhere during the process.
 
i checked iget, it looks nice but its 50 bux......do you use it? what are your thoughts?

iGet Mobile works like a charm for me. It's already paid off a couple of times. I always have it running. The only thing is that you need to keep your Mac on all the time for he server to run. I hardly ever turn my Mac off anyway. I've got iGet Mobile as a startup item in the event of reboots.

Price is a bit steep, but it basically puts your entire Mac at your fingertips, anywhere, anytime. Just hop on the net, punch in your IP and password, and that's it. And it seems fast enough. View your files, download them, e-mail them, etc.

Support has been good enough, too.

If you want to use it, you'll need to forward a port from your router.


The main reason I was looking forward to ZFS was for the support of logical volumes (which in ZFS land is referred to as pools, right?). I didn't used to think this was a big deal, but as my media libraries have grown (legally, I might add as an aside) and with increased backup space requirements I'm beginning to see the light. :D

I have quite a large library as well. I've got two drives set up (1 TB each) as RAID mirrors, auto-rebuild, and a separate, much smaller drive for uh . . . "large downloads". Seems convenient enough. Also have anther drive for Time Machine.

How does ZFS improve on this?
 
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