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xAI Launches Grok-3 AI Model, Claims Superior Performance Over GPT-4

Just noticed this bit from the MacRumors post... yikes 😬

Musk said that Grok-3 is designed to be a "maximally truth-seeking AI," even when such truth might conflict with political correctness. The model has faced previous criticism for spreading election misinformation and having fewer restrictions on text-to-image generation.
 
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$40 for an AI? I heard that DeepSeek is free and it's practically the same as ChatGPT (since they all "learn" from themselves).

I heard LLM need a lot of computational but I was expecting text-to-image to be more demanding. You have all these generated images plaguing the internet. So much generated garbage that it's hard to not be concerned about blocking all that crap.

Again, $40? Who pays for it?
 
peneaux said:
$40 for an AI? I heard that DeepSeek is free and it's practically the same as ChatGPT (since they all "learn" from themselves).

I heard LLM need a lot of computational but I was expecting text-to-image to be more demanding. You have all these generated images plaguing the internet. So much generated garbage that it's hard to not be concerned about blocking all that crap.

Again, $40? Who pays for it?
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He's selling into an audience that is generally favorable to him and his views, so I'm sure they'll be some uptake
 
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Again, $40? Who pays for it?
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People for whom the value provided by the AI exceeds $40/month I would guess. Not trying to be flippant, but that's not a huge lift ($40).

And since it's X, there would be some users who are paying for Premium+ for other reasons and happen to get Grok 3.

So it's not necessarily $40 for Grok, it's $40 for Premium+ which includes Grok 3.
 
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Ru_C said:
I would sooner give my personal info to the Chinese than Musk!
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If you live in the US then it’s probably too late.

I wouldn’t be surprised if all the data they are mining from the various government agencies (now the IRS) is being run through xAI tools.

The classified data that was posted on doge.gov was most likely illegally leaked from SpaceX. Whose to say he’s not illegally sharing the data doge is gathering with xAI? Its all on his “trust me” word, which we know is to not be trusted.

xAI may soon know the name, income, address, assets etc of every person in the US.
 
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peneaux said:
$40 for an AI? I heard that DeepSeek is free and it's practically the same as ChatGPT (since they all "learn" from themselves).

I heard LLM need a lot of computational but I was expecting text-to-image to be more demanding. You have all these generated images plaguing the internet. So much generated garbage that it's hard to not be concerned about blocking all that crap.

Again, $40? Who pays for it?
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Lackeys and simps.
 
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raziel101 said:
The same reason most fanboys on here give Tim credit. We don’t actually believe Tim is coming up with all the ideas for new products and services himself.
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Don’t recall ever seeing a single person give Time Cook credit for products. Everyone knows he’s not a product guy. We give Apple credit, and sometimes people like Craig and Johny Srouji (who absolutely deserves it).
 
Howard2k said:
People for whom the value provided by the AI exceeds $40/month I would guess. Not trying to be flippant, but that's not a huge lift ($40).

And since it's X, there would be some users who are paying for Premium+ for other reasons and happen to get Grok 3.

So it's not necessarily $40 for Grok, it's $40 for Premium+ which includes Grok 3.
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Not using Grok, but ChatGPT saved me probably 40 hours of work over the past two weeks on a project that had an extremely tight turnaround. Was absolutely worth the $20 a month I pay; in fact would have been worth the $200 a month for their Pro version that I don't subscribe to (but really glad that $20 option is there 😂).
 
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rymc02 said:
Why do we continue to give credit to this guy? If you want to celebrate the team fine, but let's not pretend this dude is in there coding and developing the LLM. He's not designing rockets or building batteries or electric motors. He's a money guy who spews a bunch of vaporware promises to pump his value in the company.

We don't give Warren Buffet direct credit when all the companies he's invested in go up in value. Why are we giving this carnival barker so much credit?
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What website Buffett credit for is holding the stocks. He can’t make the market go up and down.
 
jarman92 said:
Don’t recall ever seeing a single person give Time Cook credit for products. Everyone knows he’s not a product guy. We give Apple credit, and sometimes people like Craig and Johny Srouji (who absolutely deserves it).
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That’s not true. People give credit to Tim but recognizing it’s a team effort. Same for jobs.
 
Koulie said:
The prospect of Tesla Robots (Optimus) running Grok 3 (or greater) on Mars in the coming years is amazing if executed correctly. What a great timeline we are in with regards to space exploration.
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Yeah the prospect of using the Sorcerer’s Stone or riding a dragon is amazing, too, and about as likely as Tesla Robots or sending humans to Mars.
 
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surferfb said:
Not using Grok, but ChatGPT saved me probably 40 hours of work over the past two weeks on a project that had an extremely tight turnaround. Was absolutely worth the $20 a month I pay; in fact would have been worth the $200 a month for their Pro version that I don't subscribe to (but really glad that $20 option is there 😂).
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This is nice to hear a report about

One trend I've noticed in all the AI stuff is that it has some situations where it's very useful, right now

Where it's falling down, I think, is this seemingly somewhat rushed attempt to make it "be everywhere" and insistence that it will "do everything"

(not by users like yourself, but by the owners and developers of the tech)

They are busy trying to create a gold rush for themselves when it's not at all clear how ready or close to ready it really is for a lot of the things they claim.

In the context of this thread, for instance, I'm pretty darned sure we aren't anywhere close to "Elon has created a maximal truth machine" ... especially when he says it's using X has one of it's two main data sources
 
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Trained and brought to you by the guy who claims his bot-infested social media platform is "the only place for real, trustworthy news".


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turbineseaplane said:
"maximally truth-seeking AI,"

It feels incredibly snake oily to even suggest something like this

I'm certainly no expert in these (perhaps someone will chime in?), but I thought it was fairly "known" that an issue with LLMs is that they absolutely have no way of knowing on their own or through their own methods of learning, what is factually correct
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I am not an AI expert, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but that is my understanding as well. If you use bad data to train your model, then your model will give you bad answers. It doesn't know what is true or false. For example, if you developed an AI to know everything on Apple as a company, and trained it exclusively on MacRumors stuff, you'd likely get a model that would give you all sorts of information on products that don't actually exist but were heavily rumored, like an Apple Television set.

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This part about analyzing "information from X" as a data source for seeking "maximum truth"...

"The new feature is designed to analyze information from the internet and X (Twitter) to provide comprehensive answers to user queries."


Not great

Generally speaking, anyone seeking to suss out factual information usually doesn't speak in terms like "maximal truth".

That verbiage is trying to simply something that isn't simple or black and white and is far more nuanced and full of subjectivity and required context
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There is so much misinformation on Twitter (not being political, there is misinformation on all topics/ and all perspectives - even things like sports) I would imagine the weighting would have to be done extremely well to have any sort of hope of having good outputs. Now this says "from the internet and X" so maybe that helps addresses some of it.

That said, I would assume existing LLMs were also trained on Twitter/X data, as it was at least at one point publicly available. How things get weighted is well outside my area of expertise, so I'm not saying it's impossible, just difficult.
 
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surferfb said:
Not using Grok, but ChatGPT saved me probably 40 hours of work over the past two weeks on a project that had an extremely tight turnaround. Was absolutely worth the $20 a month I pay; in fact would have been worth the $200 a month for their Pro version that I don't subscribe to (but really glad that $20 option is there 😂).
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I'm fascinated by the AI denialism that I see here on MR. I've mentioned several times recently that in the past 6 months my work has required me to use AI, and going from essentially zero understanding to where I'm at now has completely convinced me that AI is both here to stay and will be massively disruptive. And the speed at which the models are improving means this is all happening sooner rather than later.

$40/month is a pittance compared to the productive work that AI does. And I too pay the $20/month Chatgpt fee; and it's a steal.
 
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They’re way too useful to put them back in the box.
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For whom? AI is a great thing to gather information. Especially if it is about knowing as much as possible about people. It will be easier to keep an eye on them, especially for a company, a government institution.

Many companies already know more about people (let's call them consumers) than they do themselves, especially with various benefits cards. AI will be the next step.
 
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But it's being force fed into situations that it's not ready for and it's a bad move as it's souring people on it, for good reason
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Exactly. They are forcing something, that (would) need(s) more time to evolve. Much more time (decades). But no, they want results right now. Like a startup company that needs to be sold within a year, because if not, it will go down under.
 
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