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What was alarming to me though, was how totally inept in real world reasoning and interaction with tech he was. His social skills were pretty bad too, actually.

I'm really concerned about the iterative process of humans learning information and skills if they start adapting to just "getting answers" all the time.

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So the assumption of human data input in perpetuity is pretty key then?
(at least for many types of data, it would seem)


Yes. I did read somewhere about the perils of training AI on AI generated data and it quickly spiralled into gibberish. ("Model collapse" and "inbreeding"). It can be useful for anonymized data, but creatively is problematic.
 
I don't disagree -- but I'm not sure I agree that "more AI" is the fix - haha!

It's "a fix of sorts" I guess 🫠
But that's just it...AI is a fix for those who know how to use it and best understand it.

Philosophically, I rarely think about such questions in any universal way (for example...is the AVP a good product is filtered primarily though the lens of "is it a good product for ME?" not some universally generic metric).

So when someone is asking is AI a fix? For what? For whom? In what situations?

Those situations are already overwhelmingly positive for those who need it and understand how best to use it. And the use-case for AI is already an order of magnitude larger than those who understand how it could assist them in their work already.
 
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Yeah, see... it's hard to imagine these opinions aren't making it into his AI

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So the assumption of human data input in perpetuity is pretty key then?
(at least for many types of data, it would seem)
For "subjective" use cases yes. Even though on perhaps a tangent, I'd suggest that most humans don't lean into their own subjectivity, but are looking for an objective way to live. To be "right" in the decisions they make, rather than to be uniquely creative.

AI researchers talk about self-learning models that can receive "rewards" by which a reward is judged by being "right." Something that can be measured. So in STEM uses, there will be little need for humans to verify the results.
 
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I dislike Mr. Musk because he and I have radically different moral values, and while I tend to understand the subjective nature of my values, my perception of him is that he thinks of his values as objective facts. I tend to see him as blind to his own biases. Many people, both on the Right and the Left, think of their values as objectively true, and I have similar problems with both viewpoints.

The idea he seems to hold that his AI model is going to be more "true" than any other model is a good example of why I dislike Elon. To speak of an AI model as being "true" would suggest that he's adjusted the parameters to fit his own view of what is true.
 
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Tried the paid subscription for Grok a few months ago and it was pathetic. Even with paid subscription, it ran out of prompt limits in almost no time. Has nothing to do with the current trend where it’s cool to bash anything with Elon, it’s just that grok is/was simply a pile. Not sure this new and improved Grok would change my mind on ever using it again. Hell, even the free version of ChatGPT has an incredible amount of prompt use in comparison
 
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Why can’t differentiating between the three modes (think, big brain, deep search) be handled by another reasoning layer to properly identify the user’s needs, or just by tweaking certain word in the prompt like everything else is? Makes it feel less “smart” when we have to select a certain mode, especially from the guy who says “all input is error”.
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I wonder if this new "maximally truth-seeking AI" thing will be able to tell us the name of the 150-year-olds receiving social security, 'cos Musk can't. (Rather, it might point out the use of 1875 in Cobol.)

The real questions to ask it is what happened on June 4th 1989 and why does other AI say Hong Kong is a country founded in 1997 🧐
 
I wonder if this new "maximally truth-seeking AI" thing will be able to tell us the name of the 150-year-olds receiving social security, 'cos Musk can't. (Rather, it might point out the use of 1875 in Cobol.)
The real questions to ask it is what happened on June 4th 1989 and why does other AI say Hong Kong is a country founded in 1997 🧐

Even though you are both coming at this from very different examples, the larger point about the misuse of these systems (by anyone) is a real problem

One that I would hope we can all agree on
 
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I dislike Mr. Musk because he and I have radically different moral values, and while I tend to understand the subjective nature of my values, my perception of him is that he thinks of his values as objective facts. I tend to see him as blind to his own biases. Many people, both on the Right and the Left, think of their values as objectively true, and I have similar problems with both viewpoints.

The idea he seems to hold that his AI model is going to be more "true" than any other model is a good example of why I dislike Elon. To speak of an AI model as being "true" would suggest that he's adjusted the parameters to fit his own view of what is true.
Great answer. Much more thoughtful than any other response.
 
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Competition is good, but I'll take everything Musk declares with a grain of salt.

I need proof that it is vastly superior, and I'll believe it. If it's so much better than anything OpenAI does, why the hell did he want to buy them last week? 🙄

As for the "maximally truthful" selling point, with all the declarations he made on X so far this year, I just don't believe it one minute.

You should do more than that. When was the last time he made a "bold" declaration about a new product from any one of his companies that was actually factually real? Better to presume false until demonstrated otherwise.
 
Let's all be real honest. 7 years ago 75% of the readers on this site thought Elon Musk walked on water. It's not the technology or products that have changed minds.

Oh, I think a huge part of it is that. It's his behavior that gave them no reason to stop being reserved about an already-held opinion.
 
You should do more than that. When was the last time he made a "bold" declaration about a new product from any one of his companies that was actually factually real? Better to presume false until demonstrated otherwise.
FWIW I am not a Musk apologist by any means (check my post history 😂), and have not used it myself to confirm (and have no intention of using it), but people I trust in the AI space who have used it are saying it is very impressive - and some of these people would be much happier if they could say it sucked.
 
FWIW I am not a Musk apologist by any means (check my post history 😂), and have not used it myself to confirm (and have no intention of using it), but people I trust in the AI space who have used it are saying it is very impressive - and some of these people would be much happier if they could say it sucked.

I’ve used ChatGPT and Grok. Grok is hands down better. So many people won’t use it because of Musk but they are narrow minded.
 
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