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Xbox One S & Xbox One X (Scorpio) (2017)

gkarris said:
BTW - I can't find any mention of the Playstation TV on Sony's websites anymore. You have to search for it to find the older pages. Looks like they've quietly abandoned it... :(
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They've been selling them cheap in the UK for a few months now. It's definitely over now.
 
I'm not really feeling good about the direction Microsoft are taking with the Xbox.

The CPU in Scorpio isn't estimated to be much improved over the Xbone, probably the same 8-core AMD at a higher clock, but the GPU is around 4.5 times more powerful and the system has 320GB/s+ of system memory bandwidth vs the paltry 70ish of the Xbone - memory bandwidth being the core reason the Xbone falls behind the PS4.

Phil Spencer has been trying to sell the console as just the Xbone in full 4K, but skirting around the question of whether a developer is free to ignore 4K and use the extra processing power to target 1080/60 with far higher quality effects.

While the Scorpio GPU is powerful, high-end PC GPUs pushing 8-9 teraflops struggle to maintain constant frame rates 4K with settings towards the high end.

Scorpio just isn't powerful enough to maintain 4K with a higher level of effects (shadows, lighting, particle effects) as a huge amount of that extra processing power is going to be eaten up just rendering a comparable image in 4K.

How well Scorpio is adopted also depends on what Sony are doing and how easily multi-platform titles can be developed for both systems.
 
wubsylol said:
I'm not really feeling good about the direction Microsoft are taking with the Xbox.

The CPU in Scorpio isn't estimated to be much improved over the Xbone, probably the same 8-core AMD at a higher clock, but the GPU is around 4.5 times more powerful and the system has 320GB/s+ of system memory bandwidth vs the paltry 70ish of the Xbone - memory bandwidth being the core reason the Xbone falls behind the PS4.

Phil Spencer has been trying to sell the console as just the Xbone in full 4K, but skirting around the question of whether a developer is free to ignore 4K and use the extra processing power to target 1080/60 with far higher quality effects.

While the Scorpio GPU is powerful, high-end PC GPUs pushing 8-9 teraflops struggle to maintain constant frame rates 4K with settings towards the high end.

Scorpio just isn't powerful enough to maintain 4K with a higher level of effects (shadows, lighting, particle effects) as a huge amount of that extra processing power is going to be eaten up just rendering a comparable image in 4K.

How well Scorpio is adopted also depends on what Sony are doing and how easily multi-platform titles can be developed for both systems.
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Looking at the Playstation 4 NEO discussions all over the Internet - 4K "gaming with a vast world" (Halo, Mass Effect, Call of Duty, etc.) is a long ways off. The PS 4 NEO is supposed to do 4K gaming but mainly for "indie" type of titles (platformers, puzzles, casual).

I would imagine the same would go for Scorpio - mainly for games with a very steady 1080/60p and a high number of multi-player and background processes (downloading, DVR live programs, etc.) as well as an even smoother VR experience (rumor also is that XBox will adopt the Oculus Rift as the compatible device).

We probably won't see 4K gaming until Playstation 5 or XBox "Three"...

(If the NEO and Scorpio are for mainly 2017, 2020 is when we see their true next-gen 4K consoles.)
 
Anyone see any trade in deals for the XB S? I have 2 XB1 and wouldn't mind trading in one of them for the right deal. I am assuming that may come later in the process and after release versus a pre-order.
 
i know some retails do allow trade-in, but thats their program.
I'm not aware of MS doing a program.

Any other colours anyone know?
Not wanting white one as it won't fit in well, but i do like the look.
 
wubsylol said:
I'm not really feeling good about the direction Microsoft are taking with the Xbox.
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I was surprised by the announcement of a new console so early; I have no problems with them releasing a bottom (Xbox one), middle (Xbox one S) and top tier (Xbox Scorpio) consoles but I would want this at launch as it punishes early adopters who got shafted this gen by Microsoft already (price + Kinetic).
Whilst we accept the price will always fall and a slim model will come out we would not expect a .5 console out so soon, this almost feels like an apology console.

For me personally, I am happy with the fact that Xbox only games will come with a free PC version, if external graphics cards take off, i'll get a good spec laptop and an external graphics card and this will be my default route, I don't mind having to pay for online.
 
Three141 said:
I would want this at launch as it punishes early adopters who got shafted this gen by Microsoft already (price + Kinetic).
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Another way to look at it is if you bough at launch then you've had the most time to get your money's worth. I think it would be more annoying for someone that, say, finally decided to buy an Xbox One a few months ago and now MS 'suddenly' revealed these two new options.
 
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I bought one at launch and i bought a second one at xmas too, i don't feel annoyed at all.
And I'm going to get a S, if they have another colour option other than white.
 
gkarris said:
Gamestop has the old model bundles new starting at $279 (500Gig) and $299 (1TB)...
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Same prices at Best Buy, plus they have Microsoft Refurbished 500Gig ones for $199....

Now's a great time to get into XBox One if you don't mind having the older one and don't need a 4K UHD Blu-ray player.

I see the used XBox 360 Slim 4Gigs for $80-90 now.

Goes back to the XBox TV being totally redundant...
 
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LethalWolfe said:
Another way to look at it is if you bough at launch then you've had the most time to get your money's worth. I think it would be more annoying for someone that, say, finally decided to buy an Xbox One a few months ago and now MS 'suddenly' revealed these two new options.
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I had a Xbox One (sold it due to me spending too much time on Forza) but I personally would of been miffed if I found out this was coming purely due to the way it is being marketed; but when I put the marketing crap to one side i'm not as annoyed as this is not a Xbox One on steroids, it's the next gen console and it will rectify the mistakes Big M made with the Xbox One.

It's following the same route as Xbox -> Xbox 360 which was about 4 years, it seems if the gen does not go their way they shorten the cycle, just like what happens now there will be a grace period where developers will most likely choose to develop for the both consoles.

I can't wait to see the strategy going forward!
 
I rally looking forward for the Scorpio. 6 teraflops on a console, that's really good enough for 4K gaming, and Full HD VR. It makes me totally forget about my gaming PC plan. Now I will only wait for this bad boy, hopefully MS really will make it happen in 2017 (and hopefully not as late as Christmas).
 
Anyone else picking up the S on August 2nd? GameStop have a trade in deal going so ill be upgrading mine and picking up a copy of batman vs superman on 4k Blu-ray :)
 
MRU said:
Anyone else picking up the S on August 2nd? GameStop have a trade in deal going so ill be upgrading mine and picking up a copy of batman vs superman on 4k Blu-ray :)
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What is the trade-in deal? There's no mention of deals here in the US yet...

Gamestop has the original new XBox One 500Gigs for $250 with an included game plus a free new controller and a $30 gift card.

Around here, retailers are still trying to get rid of the old models...
 
gkarris said:
What is the trade-in deal? There's no mention of deals here in the US yet...

Gamestop has the original new XBox One 500Gigs for $250 with an included game plus a free new controller and a $30 gift card.

Around here, retailers are still trying to get rid of the old models...
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MRU said:
Anyone else picking up the S on August 2nd? GameStop have a trade in deal going so ill be upgrading mine and picking up a copy of batman vs superman on 4k Blu-ray :)
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Yep... I have it pre-ordered with Amazon. I figure the UHD player alone is worth it.
 
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MRU said:
Samsung's UHD Blu-ray player is £599 / €725 here :(.

SAMSUNG UBD-K8500
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01F9BMIYU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_JiOLxbEX88K8B
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The DVD revolution was lead by the Sony PS2, then the Blu-ray one after the first PS3 pricedrop (to $399, the same price as BR players were here in the US, I got my PS3 with a $100 credit when opening a Sony Visa Card so at $299 it was cheaper, and have been using it mainly for BR movies up until last holiday when I updated it to slim model).

Interesting how Sony has been hush on their PS4 NEO - looks like Microsoft will be the 4K UHD Blu-ray player motivator this time around...
 
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It looks like the original XBox stock is fast being depleted with the crazy sales going on.
Original 500Gig w/ bundled game and extra new controller (at most retail places): $249, 1TB model: $279

Best Buy's I was at still had Microsoft Refurbished 500Gigs XBox One Core for $199.

Microsoft will be releasing the 500Gig and 1TB S models on August 29, interestingly enough as "bundles"

500Gig $299 w/ Halo 5 disc and Halo Master Chief Download
1TB $349 - Halo 5 disc & Master Chief Download or Madden NFL 17 w/ DLC

No trade in deals so far at USA Gamestop, though...

http://gamerant.com/xbox-one-s-halo-madden-bundle/

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store...0?icid=en_US_FY17_homepage_hero_3_XBOS_160726

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(Hello, Sony? Anyone there? I'm packing up my PS4 for $200 cash at Gamestop... seriously considering the Gears of War 4 Special Edition :eek:)
 
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