XCode 4

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  1. rookpsu macrumors member

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    Anyone willing to take a guess how long it'll be until XC4 is released to the general public? I'm setting up a new MBP but I'll gladly wait to install XC if the new version will be rolling out in the next week or so.

    Not sure if based on past history, anyone has an idea of the timeframe between limited dev release and production.
     
  2. rjenovai macrumors member

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  3. kudzutiger macrumors newbie

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    you mean the iphone sdk?

    the new beta iphone sdk is available on the developer network, but i still only show 3.2 in xcode and no beta for mac dev. only beta 4 is for the iphone sdk.
     
  4. Catfish_Man macrumors 68030

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    No, that's not what he means.
     
  5. BigJimSlade macrumors member

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    My guess is you might see a beta around the time of the iPhone 4 launch, possibly for registered devs only.

    From what I've seen there's still some work to be done though. For example, the new debugger lldb doesn't support stack backtracing on arm at the moment, which makes it pretty useless for iPhone development.
     
  6. rookpsu thread starter macrumors member

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    That's the kind of insight I was looking for. Thanks BigJim.
     
  7. GorillaPaws macrumors 6502a

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    Here's a leaked screenshot:
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    VERY different from the existing app. I can't wait to get my paws on it.
     
  8. sammich macrumors 601

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    I've only just started using XCode for C/C++ coding, and it's completely simplified that process.

    I'm not sure I totally dig that big iTunes-like status box, but I do like the unified single-window design. Another app goes that's going in a completely separate look to every other Apple app too.
     
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  10. garethlewis2 macrumors 6502

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    I like the idea of IB being built into XCode, that is going to stop the window explosion that occurs with multiple nibs, but I wonder how it copes with you dragging a Core Data model from one 'graph' area into the xib?

    Doesn't look too stable either at the moment.
     
  11. Cromulent macrumors 603

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    Christ, that is one ugly interface. Looks like Apple just copied Visual Studios stupid amount of window clutter on this one.

    Must have more tabs! And windows, which dock!
     
  12. alexcurtis macrumors newbie

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    tabs ala textmate are a welcome addition. The rest looks like clutter.
     
  13. Catfish_Man macrumors 68030

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    Wait and see. There's a *lot* more changed than is visible in one screenshot, and you'll likely love a lot of it (and hate some of it; nature of change).
     
  14. GorillaPaws macrumors 6502a

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    I'm mostly baffled by the humungous iTunes style HUD. That part of the GUI seems like a bizarre waste of pixels.
     
  15. idelovski macrumors regular

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    Looks like MacBook and Air are not suited any more for development. Without at least a 19" monitor Xcode will be almost useless?
     
  16. Peace macrumors Core

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    Most serious developers are using 24" displays and up. They're cheap nowadays.
     
  17. idelovski macrumors regular

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    Well, I have one in my office, but I don't have it in my living room, in my bedroom and on my balcony.

    And I don't have one in my backpack, either. Sometimes I work on locations of my customers and if I can't work on small laptops I'll probably forget about Mac development and focus on iOS and unknown customers.
     
  18. Avizzv92 macrumors regular

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    I don't program for a Job as of now, but even for my personal projects if Xcode is going to be that cluttered I might need to cave and by an external monitor. I might not be able to function anymore with my small Macbook screen.
     
  19. Catfish_Man macrumors 68030

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    *points to the 'collapse toolbar' widget in the upper right corner*
     
  20. MorphingDragon macrumors 603

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    That still doesn't help the erroneous waste of space the rest of the App causes.

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    Visual Studio is NOT worth copying. Maybe 1 or 2 features, but they're not even really part of the GUI. I like XCode BECAUSE it separated everything. It's a breath of fresh air compared to VS.
     
  21. lloyddean macrumors 6502a

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    iOS uses the exact same tools so ..., I'm confused what are you going to do again?

    EDIT:
    Ah, I see you got me, you said iOS not iOS4. Enjoy!
     
  22. Cromulent macrumors 603

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  23. Tex-Twil macrumors 68020

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    Hello,
    was there a detailed presentation of xCode 4 at the WWDC or just a mention ? Is there a video available of the WWDC (besides the SJ keynote) ?

    Thanks,
    Tex
     
  24. GorillaPaws macrumors 6502a

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    No there wasn't any coverage of Xcode 4 posted publicly. Videos of the WWDC Sessions will probably be posted in a month or two. Last year you had to buy them. It's also possible that they may release them free to all paid developers this year.

    All info on Xcode 4 is based on people violating their NDA and leaking it.
     
  25. displaced macrumors 65816

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    I'm going against the tide and saying this looks quite nice.

    I'm not convinced by comparisons to VS. VS is indeed toolbar and palette hell in its default configuration, but there's nothing intrinsically wrong about what it displays and how it displays it. VS simply needs a fair bit of TLC after an initial install to make it productive (for me, anyway).

    Now, that XC4 screenshot looks rather well organised. It seems to have taken the one-window UI that most, if not all current IDEs use and arranged it sensibly (assuming this is an 'out-of-the-box' layout).

    When I was new to Xcode I longed for something like this. Since then, I've adjusted somewhat and now unthinkingly work around the damage of the window explosion that Xcode/IB/iPhone Simulator causes.

    Also, I'd be astonished if there wasn't a simple shortcut to toggle a lot of the window chrome to concentrate on the code. Bear in mind that the screenshot is showing what's effectively 'Interface Builder' mode - there's an awful lot of UI to represent.

    I'd like to see the ability to tear-off that IB 'tab' to form another window, making multiple windows a per-scenario choice rather than the rule (as at present).

    Can't wait :)

    [edit: as long as Xcode doesn't copy VS's bizarre ability to forget the state of the current executable -- is it running, is it stopped or is it paused at a breakpoint? No idea, everything's greyed-out! Oh what joy Windows Mobile development is...]
     

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