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Because the majority of people who buy iPhones don't care one way or another, as long as they feel smooth. It can only hurt more than help when you put the technical details online due to iPhones usually lagging behind their Android competitors when it comes to RAM. When you do comparisons online, the iPhones would not look as bad when a non-techie sees something like: OnePlusTwo 3 GB / iPhone 6S Unknown. If they officially released the number, you'd see 3 GB vs 2 GB.

Also, it falls in line with the company's emphasis on marketing words rather than numbers. (Retina HD vs 1080p, iSight camera vs 8 megapixel camera)

They say "8MP iSight Camera" iSight doesn't refer to anything except the name of the camera. Retina actually refers to HD so they don't have to say 1080p.

Just like when they say A9... It doesn't really mean anything unless explained.
 
Why is Apple so secretive about RAM? It makes no sense to me. Everyone finds out anyway; they may as well just list it in the specs.

Quite honestly, I think this is good on their part. What is one of the things they don't make themselves because it's a low margin commodity? RAM

If they spec'd it and promoted it like it was a big deal, it would be very easy for Samsung to throw a bunch of RAM (that doesn't matter once you get past 3 or 4 GB anyway) in a device and say "We have 4 TIMES the RAM Apple has!!" Big whoop to those that know, but many would be suckered by that.

However much RAM allows you to scroll through email, photos, and apps smoothly is the right number.
 
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Shesh - I can quite easily go beyond 6 tabs for anything - since I'll often read a page of a website and 'open in new tab' for a subject / URL that appears interesting, but I want to hold off reading for a few moments. Much faster than awkwardly jumping back and fourth while in the middle of something, and much faster than having to afterwards go back through the article to re-find the interesting links.

Problem is, on low-RAM devices that'll will often cause apps / tabs in the background to be purged. Now if tab #2 was the one you were reading, and you were in the middle of doing something in tab #1 (or even another App) - odds are very good everything you did in tab #1 has been purged.

What happens in one year, when the demented web page inflation (for no discernable reason) means 2 tabs will reload the page... People will complain again about not being 3Gb? Maybe that's why Apple is supporting Ad blocking since 80% of this trash code is related to ads or marketing.

One of the reason Apple has to weight when upgrading Ram is the fact that it supports much lower level devices with IOS versions and are loathe to further fraction the market app developer target. Android doesn'T have to worry about that because their app market is already fractioned 10 ways.
 
They say "8MP iSight Camera" iSight doesn't refer to anything except the name of the camera. Retina actually refers to HD so they don't have to say 1080p.

Just like when they say A9... It doesn't really mean anything unless explained.

Exactly. All this marketing jargon doesn't mean much. It sounds nice and attractive to the average consumer. In regards to Retina, it refers to the magical PPI that makes your eyes see no jaggedness. It doesn't exactly mean HD. You can have a non-HD screen that is Retina. The regular iPhone 6 has a 720p HD screen, but the 5S didn't: both are Retinas. This is why to increase the attractiveness of the iPhone 6 line, they introduced another term--- Retina HD. By using the terms Retina HD (instead of 720p and 1080p), Apple is able to avoid comparisons by the average consumer. Image this: "Galaxy S6, 2K screen / iPHone 6 720p screen" or "Galaxy S6, 2K screen / iPHone 6 Retina HD screen." Retina sounds cooler.

Average consumer: "Pshh..so what if the Galaxy S6 has a 2K screen...it's still not Retina HD"
 
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the iPad Air 2 was the only iOS Device that got 2GB of Ram last year. so the rest of the devices were only now catching up to it. perfectly planned by apple

My problem is that I just wasted a whole year of my lifetime waiting for the next big iPad Air update. The Irony is that when I bought my iPad 3 , they updated in like after 9 months.
 
My problem is that I just wasted a whole year of my lifetime waiting for the next big iPad Air update. The Irony is that when I bought my iPad 3 , they updated in like after 9 months.

Shakes hand... Though my iPad 3 is still running fine. iOS 9 made it much better than iOS 8.3 did... A bonus I suppose...
 
Why is Apple so secretive about RAM? It makes no sense to me. Everyone finds out anyway; they may as well just list it in the specs.

Because people tend to get caught up in specs (instead of the actual experience) when it comes to consumer devices. The more specs you post.. the more your devices are compared solely on specs instead of on actual user experience. Reality is it shouldnt matter if your smartphone has 1GB or 10GB of RAM.. the question is does it run smoothly & do apps have enough operate in memory without restarting?

We all know that when using current iPhones.. many apps do need restarting thanks to the 1GB of RAM. Where as even new flagship Android phones with upto 4GB of RAM still get laggy after a few months use. I have never seen an iPhone lag.
 
I hope they lower the base to 8 GB just out of spite. Seriously, they offer more. It isn't greed to give options. Have you considered that 32 isn't enough either??? Maybe they want everyone to buy 64 and they know if they offered 32 people would take it against better judgement.
Ohhhh. So they're just "giving people more options" by sticking their base model with 2012 levels of storage while most of their competition flagship phones have moved to 32GB. DANG Samsung for not giving people all of those wonderful options!
 
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There is 64GB at same price of 32GB or how about 128GB at the price of 64GB...
Yeah, it's called technological progress. We shouldn't congratulate Apple for this because they had literally nothing to do with it. Samsung is very innovative in the NAND storage area but not Apple. We shouldn't congratulate Apple for doing what is right, but we should be angry when they don't. This is like a bare minimum requirement of their freaking job, delivering technological progress to the people, not just the people who can afford to spend $100 extra for $2 more storage. NAND prices have been going down for years now. The fact that they are still selling a ridiculous 16GB base model of a "premium" phone shows that they couldn't find a better way to get people to upgrade, showing how little imagination these MBA school drones at Apple HQ really have.
 
Ohhhh. So they're just "giving people more options" by sticking their base model with 2012 levels of storage while most of their competition flagship phones have moved to 32GB. DANG Samsung for not giving people all of those wonderful options!

Go to a Samsung board then. You are worse than Audi drivers in BMW forums.
 
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Thanks.

The limitation of 1GB RAM is even more prominent on the 6 Plus due to the 1080P screen resolution + 3X & shrinking down to 1920 x 1080 process for the retina image assets.
Thanks for mentioning the 3X partial scaling down thing. I can always see my 6 Plus sputtering when it needs to do that, especially when sizing video after rotating. I think the scaling down its what causes that crash most of the time. Glad I'm not dealing with the Plus again this year. No more scaling for me!

Hopefully the iPhone 7 just has true @3X on both models: 2001x1125 for the 4.7" and 2208x1242 for the 5.5". Or maybe my hope and prediction will come true: Simplified screen sizes at 4", 5" and 6" with reduced bezels. Dimensions would be more square at 1704x960, 2130x1200, and 2556x1440. Or 2560x1440 like the 27" iMac displays which are also 16:9. Would be a uniform 489 PPI across the entire lineup with true @3X scaling. Then all of the iPhone displays can be cut from the same density panels, saving money during production.
 
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Oh yes. Anything Apple does has a divine purpose that we cant understand.

I don't believe that. All companies have room to improve. He is absolutely bashing apple for including a 16GB base model option. I have simply been stating that people have options, whether it is with apple or with another phone manufacturer.
 
The original iPhone at 320x480 became the retina 4/4S at 640x960, these two devices have the same points, but the 4/4S renders at 2X (which if course works out nicely). Each pixel on a 4S phone had a corresponding rendered pixel from the application. Without getting into too much technical minutiae, plus it gets a little more complex as the screen ratios were changed, screens got physically larger, etc., but the same general logic applies.

The iPhone 6+ resolution, using the same pattern, defining the points based on display size, and using a standard rendering multiplier would result in a display that's 1242x2208, however, the Plus has a physical screen that's 1080x1920 (like an HD TV or 24" monitor), so it has a second step where it down samples the rendered 1242x2208 to that physical spec. The 6S takes the 375x667 points and renders them to 750x1334 (2X), and that's it.

So when he said one-to-one for the 6/6S, that means, every pixel as defined in the application, for example, the 2X assets (like icons designed for a retina display) map directly to a physical pixel on the screen, vs the Plus where that direct correlation of pixel as defined in the layouts, assets doesn't exist due to the re-sampling.

I appreciate you explaining that to me. It's still all above my head but I am starting to get a grasp.

Do you think the new A9 chip will be able to handle the scaling and rendering issues the iPhone 6 Plus faced? Or should I go ahead and return my 6s Plus and get a 6s?
 
I appreciate you explaining that to me. It's still all above my head but I am starting to get a grasp.

Do you think the new A9 chip will be able to handle the scaling and rendering issues the iPhone 6 Plus faced? Or should I go ahead and return my 6s Plus and get a 6s?

Cool. I was trying not to make it too technical, but in re-reading, it's a little clunky, I guess the easiest way to think about it: apps get written to a certain resolution specification that's usually the same as the devices physical screen, in the case of the plus models, it's not, so they get scaled, and potentially take a little hit on performance.

When the 6+ was first released, I spent a few weeks here and there with one (passed around for development purposes), and I encountered a little stuttering on occasion, where it wasn't present at all on the 6 (or even earlier models for that matter). So most people assumed that scaling overhead was to blame. As time has passed, the OS, apps and now [especially] the hardware have gotten better - I'm a big stickler for this sort of thing, I hate owning something with a weird behavior you occasionally have to look over, so I passed on the original Plus, but I'm buying this iteration (pre-ordered at 2:59am, 64GB Space Gray :) )because I'm 99.9% confident, it'll be a non-issue.

IIWM: I'd just get my Plus order, set it up, use for a few days (carefully, so it stays "like new"), and just return it if you're bother by anything.

Honestly outside of that, and the size itself (which is a deal breaker for some folks), I liked it better for a number of reasons: better resolution, OIS on the camera, much better battery life, landscape UI treatment in OS and major apps.
 
Because it'S a MEANINGLESS SPEC. Android with more Ram works like a slow witted dog.

I would love that you got your hands on my oneplus one to see how much ignorance goes in that statement. Yes, ive compared it to an iphone 6, and its faster in most tasks and more stable as well.
 
I would love that you got your hands on my oneplus one to see how much ignorance goes in that statement. Yes, ive compared it to an iphone 6, and its faster in most tasks and more stable as well.

And why do you think that's due to the amount of RAM in it?
 
The rear camera is fine...we don't need people taking 13" tablets to concerts to take photos. The front camera is sorry though...this should be the ultimate FaceTime device, but instead you get a camera that can only do 720p.

And I agree on storage, they should at least have a 256GB option. But the real problem is that iOS needs support for fast external storage. They should've used one of those hybrid Thunderbolt/USB-C ports that intel is working on. I don't think you can use the "Pro" moniker for a device if it can't handle any pro tasks, and right now the iPad Pro can barely deal with a large photo library, let alone someone trying to do video or music creation. They all just require too much data.
Why do you assume that the only use for the rear camera is to take photos at concerts???
 
Why is Apple so secretive about RAM? It makes no sense to me. Everyone finds out anyway; they may as well just list it in the specs.
Apple doesn't want competitors to compare specs using the ram as a factor...

Because Spec junkies buy exclusively on it. As apple is focused on consumers first and foremost, RAM is something only "the nerds" find themselves concerned about, myself included.
This.
Maybe this'll mitigate the whining for a while.
Until someone will ask for 3 Gb......

damn it, 2gb isn't enough! we need 3gb of ram on the iphone or there's simply no point buying one. biggest fail of the year. /s

Why not 4 Gb?
Haters gonna hate...
 
But that isn't all because of memory. Some of it is app management to save battery. And you can't really blame Apple for how YouTube is programmed.

Absolutely not. It doesn't save battery to empty RAM, and it sure as heck uses a lot of extra battery to reload pages and app data from the cell towers.

It isn't just YouTube, though, and since it's pretty well every app that does it, including Apple's own, I'm left to wonder if it's something iOS implements that causes buffers to be emptied when you leave the app for a moment.
 
What year did you buy that macbook?
I didn't buy it. Someone gave it to me. It was the MacBook1,1 (2006) with 1GB of RAM. I had it running Leopard for a while then updated to Snow Leopard. I retired it in 2014 after having using it all through high school.
 
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Actually, it does. If you have an OS X device, open Activity Monitor while browsing in Safari and see for yourself. Mobile Safari is probably more RAM-optimised than desktop Safari but there's only so much you can do when browsing the same websites.
I've checked Activity Monitor, and new tabs/windows don't use very much RAM. Multi-tab browsing was easily doable on my old Macs with 1GB of RAM or less. That being said, given that all the cheap Android phones have 2GB of RAM, I don't see why the iPhone shouldn't.
 
I hate owning something with a weird behavior you occasionally have to look over, so I passed on the original Plus, but I'm buying this iteration (pre-ordered at 2:59am, 64GB Space Gray :) )because I'm 99.9% confident, it'll be a non-issue.

That's good advice, I'll do that, give it a test run. Let me ask you if you don't mind. What are you basing your 99.9% confidence on? The new GPU or something else?
 
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